Why do some People think Ulfric Stormcloak is Racist

Hes the best guy with the best personality in the Game. His Bodyguard Galmar might be but Ulfric is not. Hes a Revolutionary fighting for his Country and Freedom hes like our Founding Fathers hes trying to get his Country to be free from a curropt and dying Empire also like our Founding Fathers did. There are ALOT of parallels between our Revolutionary war and Skyrims War, And The Revolutionary Militia and The Stormcloaks. All the Empire wants to do is take Skyrims Resources and tell them what to do and take away their Freedom also like the British did.

Nordic Vampire Lord said:

Hes the best guy with the best personality in the Game. His Bodyguard Galmar might be but Ulfric is not. Hes a Revolutionary fighting for his Country and Freedom hes like our Founding Fathers hes trying to get his Country to be free from a curropt and dying Empire also like our Founding Fathers did. There are ALOT of parallels between our Revolutionary war and Skyrims War, And The Revolutionary Militia and The Stormcloaks. All the Empire wants to do is take Skyrims Resources and tell them what to do and take away their Freedom also like the British did.

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It's pretty much impossible to side with Ulfric if you look at the big picture. There's another great war coming, and the empire needs Skyrim, and Skyrim needs the empire in order to survive it. The civil war can only hurt the empire, it does nothing but benefit the Dominion.

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Thus, the big picture dictates that if you care at all about anything, you'll side with the empire because

Nordic Vampire Lord said:

Hes the best guy with the best personality in the Game. His Bodyguard Galmar might be but Ulfric is not. Hes a Revolutionary fighting for his Country and Freedom hes like our Founding Fathers hes trying to get his Country to be free from a curropt and dying Empire also like our Founding Fathers did. There are ALOT of parallels between our Revolutionary war and Skyrims War, And The Revolutionary Militia and The Stormcloaks. All the Empire wants to do is take Skyrims Resources and tell them what to do and take away their Freedom also like the British did.

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1 . Stormcloaks only allow Nords to join their ranks (apart from the main character for story progression) 2. Enforces (or at least allows) the racial segregation of Dark Elves to the poorest part of his own city He may not be vocal about it, but like they always say, actions speak louder than words. And for fluffs sake, the only similarities the Skyrim civil war has to the Revolutionary war is that one "rebel" force is fighting an "empire" force. 1. The only reason why America fought the British in the first place was because they were not represented properly in Britain and were excessively taxed. Not too mention, the big reason why America even won in the first place was because of the British laying the groundwork (resources, land) and the French stepping in. No similar situation is happening in Skyrim and one of the big reasons why the Empire even exists in the current time is because of Nords. The British taxed and neglected America for the most part because they weren't really concerned with it, as they had their full focus on colonization and beating the rest of the world powers in claiming The New World. They didn't take anyone's freedom, however. The Stormcloaks are fighting because a third party (Thalmor) is forcing the Empire to enforce a ban on a Religion. 2. The Empire does not want to just take all Skyrim's resources, where did you get that? Do you understand the concept of an Empire? It's the exact same as if Skyrim was ruled by its own king, but with a different name and part of a bigger picture (I.E More resources for Skyrim/troops/citizens/trade/protection from the Thalmor, etc) This thread, lol

Ulfric Stormcloak is hot...until he opens his mouth. That's when I just wanna beat his pretty face to a bloody pulp.

Nordic Vampire Lord said:

Why do some People think Ulfric Stormcloak that the only Jarl in the entire province of Skyrim who maintains and enforces racial segregation laws against the Dunmer in his capital city is isn't Racist?

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Nordic Vampire Lord said:

Hes a Revolutionary fighting for his Country and Freedom hes like our Founding Fathers hes trying to get his Country to be free from a curropt and dying Empire also like our Founding Fathers did. There are ALOT of parallels between our Revolutionary war and Skyrims War, And The Revolutionary Militia and The Stormcloaks. All the Empire wants to do is take Skyrims Resources and tell them what to do and take away their Freedom also like the British did.

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You must have failed United States history (either that or your secondary school education sucked). There's nothing revolutionary about what Ulfric is trying to do if you actually understand what the word means. There are no parallels between the Founding Fathers and Ulfric or the Stormcloaks. The Founding Fathers exhausted every possible means of negotiating with the King of England for direct representation under the British Constitution and their original intent was not to leave the British Empire. They only declared independence after the Proclamation of Rebellion by the King declared them all traitors. Unlike Ulfric they had the support of the plurality of the colonists, significantly greater support than the Loyalists, and acted under the authority of the Continental Congress which was a popularly elected governing body.

Nordic Vampire Lord said:

Hes the best guy with the best personality in the Game. His Bodyguard Galmar might be but Ulfric is not. Hes a Revolutionary fighting for his Country and Freedom hes like our Founding Fathers hes trying to get his Country to be free from a curropt and dying Empire also like our Founding Fathers did. There are ALOT of parallels between our Revolutionary war and Skyrims War, And The Revolutionary Militia and The Stormcloaks. All the Empire wants to do is take Skyrims Resources and tell them what to do and take away their Freedom also like the British did.

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No, if you believe that about America then you are delusional.
Before you go on about how I am an "Anti American Troll" as well, then stop.
I was born in America, and continue to live in America.
Our "democratic" system is completely screwed up, we don't even elect our president (we
suggest to the Electoral College on who they should vote for, but they don't have to vote for that person, and the best example is from the 2000 elections), and our country likes to stick their idiotic asses into every country just because they don't like America (because that will definitely make them like America more, even though they didn't attack us to begin with (but that's a different rant).

Anyways, back onto Skyrim:
It as already been stated very well Wandervon on why it shows many times why it is hard to even side with Ulfric.
Except I will add that Ulfric wasn't placed by the Thalmor, but they are using his "lust for power" to take down the Empire, and he does hate the Thalmor as well, but doesn't understand what he's doing.

But, I guess it is easy to side with him when you are already blind to real politics.

Sean_ said:

Anyways, back onto Skyrim:
It as already been stated very well Wandervon on why it shows many times why it is hard to even side with Ulfric.
But, I guess it is easy when you are already blind to real politics.

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I did always prefer the swag Ulfric gave out over Tullius....I realise it's basically the same thing, but for some reason it just looked prettier from his hands...maybe I'm just blinded by his brawny looks....

Imperial_Pain said:

I did always prefer the swag Ulfric gave out over Tullius....I realise it's basically the same thing, but for some reason it just looked prettier from his hands...maybe I'm just blinded by his brawny looks....

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lol, I guess others can always have "unique" reasons.

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Talos worship is hardly enforced by the empire unless someone points it out, there's high ranking officials in the empire who still worship talos, and the moment the next war starts talos worship will be legalized again, its paramount that the empire retain and build its military strength until that time, and Ulfric's rebellion only weakens the empire, and Ulfric's victory would be devastating to the empire's military strength, the same strength that's needed to defeat the Dominion and therefore save Nirn

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The Stormcloaks don't need the empire to kill the Thalmor, the empire failed at that. Now it's the Stormcloak's turn, and the empire is just getting in the way.

i K33L n0085 said:

The Stormcloaks don't need the empire to kill the Thalmor, the empire failed at that. Now it's the Stormcloak's turn, and the empire is just getting in the way.

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I get the feeling the Thalmor are like rabbits...you kill one and 2 more pop up to take its place...

Eh, Ulfric's methods may be flawed, and I'll be the first to say that there are some very big flaws, but his heart's in the right place. The lore in-game and the revalations through the Stormcloak Quest Line give a pretty compelling story of why Ulfric does what he does. As for weakening the Empire for the second Great War, remember that most of the Legions aren't in Skyrim. Otherwise Tullius wouldn't have to recruit locally. He has to do so because he's got so little manpower to work with. This war is by and large a Nord thing. And Ulfric isn't exactly a sleeper agent for the Thalmor, more of an asset. This situation is convienent for them and they want the war to go on for as long as possible. A victory for either side means the empire will either reform itself or recover from Skyrim's loss while Skyrim does the same. Either way, Skyrim will still have enough strength to figh the elves and this time around there will be no half-measures.

A word of caution: Before anyone responds to me or anyone else with something nasty, please take a few moments to think about what it will get you. This thread is intened to be a friendly, open discussion, not a flame war. Please respect the author's wishes on this.

This song is now stuck in my head

After reading some of the ignorant comments from this thread I think I need to see a psychologist, and no I don't blame the OP for it either. My health insurance should be up and going in about a few weeks so hopefully I can survive this insanity.

Raijin said:

After reading some of the ignorant comments from this thread I think I need to see a psychologist, and no I don't blame the OP for it either. My health insurance should be up and going in about a few weeks so hopefully I can survive this insanity.

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U of M fans dumb people...they sure will feel that way on Jan 1st when they lose to the Gamecocks in the Outback bowl.

Imperial_Pain said:

U of M fans dumb people...they sure will feel that way on Jan 1st when they lose to the Gamecocks in the Outback bowl.

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On other thought maybe I should take up drinking. This is going to make Maven very happy, and the Thalmor less than please since I have full intentions of fluffing up their party all drunk and plops

I didnt know giving my opinion would anger so many people. I didnt mean it to upset anyone

but with that said if your offended then thats your problem

Nordic Vampire Lord said:

I didnt know giving my opinion would anger so many people. I didnt mean it to upset anyone

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Ah don't take it the wrong way. If you have time go checkout Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one? | Skyrim Forums It's an on going debate regarding to Skyrims politics.

Raijin said:

After reading some of the ignorant comments from this thread I think I need to see a psychologist, and no I don't blame the OP for it either. My health insurance should be up and going in about a few weeks so hopefully I can survive this insanity.

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Clearly you are meaning me so why don't you go ahead and explain to me how the Skyrim Civil War is parallel to the Revolutionary War in any way, shape or form. Or explain to me how and why you disagree with what I said in my post.