Ukraine and Russia: are we heading for war?

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Will this conflict lead to a war?

  • Yes, but it will be like the Cold War.

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Yes, this could lead to World War III.

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • Yes, but this will be a war between Russia and Ukraine. The UN will look the other way.

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • No, this 'conflict' is highly overrated.

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24

Anouck

Queen of Procrastination
I also seen the Dutch Primister give his speech and he seemed quite agitated by it all. (even though it was in Dutch and I had no idea what he was saying)

Off topic but is that Dutch minister British? lol

No, he isn't. Timmermans is fluent in many languages, including English. Overall most of the Dutch are fluent in English, German and they also speak bits of French. His accent though is a bit less common.
 

Anouck

Queen of Procrastination
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...says_it_has_new_evidence_that_russian/cj6usj7

Compelling evidence that Russia is directly involving themselves in Ukraine. I've noticed Russia Today on an aggressive "US accusations based on nothing" binge as of late.

I still don't think Russia itself took down the civil plane. But Putin does refuse to at least take some kind of responsibility and cries victim all the time. Even if he had no guilt in this, he is now making it very difficult for himself.

The bodies arrived last Tuesday. Two airplanes, Australian and Dutch, arrived at an airport about 30km away from my house. The families were present, too. And when the first coffin was carried out of the plane, some of the victim's family members (1200 Dutch family members were present) completely broke down. They started screaming and crying in agony, which was very difficult to listen to.
The coffins were put in hearses, which left the airport and drove in a cortège to Hilversum. Hilversum is a city in the north, and the military forensic lab is located there. Everyone was dressed in white on the family's request. People parked their cars next to the highways and during the entire route people were standing next to the roads and on the bridges, throwing flowers.

It's a tragic event, obviously. But it's good to see how people help each other and the families out.

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Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
I'm sure he's alright but it sort proves that Russian troops are stationed in rebel controlled territory. That's not okay.

I mean it sucks, but I think it is one on a very long list of issues and recent developments.

I mean it has relatively cooled down, though I think Russia needs repercussions for the airliner.
 

Crooksin

Glue Sniffer
I'm sure he's alright but it sort proves that Russian troops are stationed in rebel controlled territory. That's not okay.

I mean it sucks, but I think it is one on a very long list of issues and recent developments.

I mean it has relatively cooled down, though I think Russia needs repercussions for the airliner.


It hasn't though, fighting is as fierce as ever. Its just we don't see it in the media as much. The last day they've calmed down only to allow observers to look at the wreckage. This is the first time since the crash that they've gotten anywhere close to it because of fighting.
 

Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
Do you have links so I can read specifics?

But I think there is a very strange situation where international incidents aren't being treated as such. Cause no one wants to big a scene with all the plops around the world hitting the fan.
 

Crooksin

Glue Sniffer
Do you have links so I can read specifics?

But I think there is a very strange situation where international incidents aren't being treated as such. Cause no one wants to big a scene with all the pl*** around the world hitting the fan.


Russia and the West are now engaging in a tit-for-tat battle of the sanctions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...e5a49e-1e0f-11e4-9b6c-12e30cbe86a3_story.html

Its expected, really, can't imagine Russia would take those sanctions lying down. Ukraine is now thinking of applying sanctions to Russia as well, mostly refusing to host a pipeline going through the country. Ridiculous if you ask me, Ukraine is certainly not in a position to be sanctioning either side, they may be a little too confident with their new EU relationship.

Seems as though they are stinging a bit so I imagine the West will amp their sanctions up to include the whole of Russia, not just Putin's circle. Russia exponentially increased trade with South American countries immediately following their food ban so this has been in the making for a while.

In other news, Canada has provided non-lethal humanitarian aid to the Kiev military which I am apathetic about. Canada has an extremely high population of Ukrainians but I can't help but see this move as a political move by our Prime Minister for the upcoming election, he's been very vocal about Canada's position on international issues lately which I am not a fan of.

Ukraine is wrapping up their conflict with the rebels with a final push soon so who knows what will happen after. I feel as though we've entered our generation's Cold War regardless of the result in Ukraine.
 

Epic Keith

By Ysmir you're going to FREEZE to death!
I think Putin is being a careless leader. Your own people come first Puts!
 

Medea

The Shadow Queen
So..........Where's WW III??

I necromanced this post. Get over it.
 

Harkin

Necromatic Mastermind
Expendables is a friggin joke now lol , theyre bringing every hulk from every corner of the media. "War, what its it good for, absolutely nothing!"
 

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