No it isn't. You can't call it segregation when some of them aren't "segregated".. To be segregated means the whole race needs to be in the Greay Quater, they aren't.
The person who owns the farm still lives in the Gray Quarter, oops there goes your argument.
The Argonians are also segregated. You can call it segregation because the Dunmer and Argonians are separated from everyone else.
Why dismiss the other comments? It's a NORD city, he wouldn't have the club without NORDS. He wouldn't even have anywhere to live without the help of the people he despises.
Dismiss the other comments? He's been facing racial hatred from the locals, why would he care about the people who treat them like lesser beings? Do the Stormcloaks say nice things about the Thalmor?
You even seen a Dunmer farmer off to join the Empire, because of how he's being treated. He wouldn't have the club without Nords? He owns a business and pays taxes to the city. He doesn't get handouts.
Ignoring the fact that they complain, complain and complain when nobody is forcing them to live there. Like I said if they feel they're being mistreated so much and they hate the Stormcloaks, there's a carridge outside waiting to take them to Solitude for 20-50 septims. But they won't, because no other Hold in Skyrim will take on so many refugee's.
Windhelm has been their home for nearly two hundred years, they've established themselves there. It isn't just that they "complain" they have justified concerns, and bring it to the Jarl.
Why should they have to leave, because they don't like being treated like plops? It should be the Stormcloaks who should be getting over themselves and stop treating them like second class citizens.
Treated them like dirt? You concentrate of the negatives but ALWAYS refuse to achknowledge that they are REFUGEES who could have been moved along when they first arrived but they were let in/housed/fed at the expense of NORDS. Nobody owes them ANYTHING, they should be grateful.
They were refugees two hundred years ago. They all work, and have businesses in Windhelm. Could have moved along when they first arrived?
There is cause for optimism, though, as Jarl Ulfric is not nearly so tolerant of these substandard beings as his fathers were. - Scourge of the Gray Quarter
Being given something two hundred years ago, doesn't mean Ulfric and the Stormcloaks can take credit for it. The Dunmer are owed being treated like everyone else, they work and some provide Windhelm with food.
Like I've said time and time again, they're refugees living in HIS city during a Civil War and they do nothing but whine. A Civil War is more important than filling the god damn holes in his floor boards of some dippl*** Dark Elf who makes his views about the very people he demands help from quite clear.
They were refugees
two hundred years ago. They all work and sustain themselves, Ulfric doesn't pay for them, he doesn't feed them and clothe them while they sit around doing nothing. Cities require maintenance, buildings need repaired or they face the problem of collapsing. Windhelm is thousands of years old, it needs repairs often.
If life is as bad as they say it is in Windhelm they would just pick up and leave
Obviously there situation right now is better than any alternative, they're just a whiney bunch of lazy leeches. Well most of them are, and the ones that aren't are flourishing, what a surprise...
They're not lazy, they all bloody work. Get that into your head, point to me a single "lazy leech" in the Dunmer population?
You can't, because you have none. They're asking to be treated like everyone else, because they're citizens too. Their requests are actually basic, they're not asking for change instantly.
They want Ulfric to just take a look at their situation, and they want the Gray Quarter to be renamed back to the Snow Quarter.
Hah, not one Dunmer has been killed, Tullius' attitude towards Nords is the same if not worse than the Nords attitude to Dunmer. Rather hypocritical to even bother using citizens threatened with torcher and death as an argument don't you think?
Not yet, but should Rolff gets his way:
"Wouldn't surprise me. They've done nothing to help in the fight for Skyrim's freedom. Those Thalmor are elves, too. I bet they're working together. Maybe I should round up some men and take us a few prisoners to interrogate."
Proventus:
"And what harm is there in letting a few legionnaires die in place of your own men?"
Doesn't sound like a NORDIC Civil War too me.. And the majority of Legion troops you fight are Imperial. A
civil war is a
war between organized groups within the same
state or republic.
"Soon we'll rid Skyrim of elves, their bloody Justiciars, and the Jarls in their pockets. The whole damn lot of them. And we'll cleave through the Legion to get to them."
Legion soldiers are randomly generated between Imperial, Nord, Breton and Redguard.
"When the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood."
Seren:
"I'm just worried about raising a child in the middle of this war of yours."
Rustleif:
"War of mine? It's not my war, Seren!"
Seren:
"Your people's war, I mean. The Nords. What kind of life would we be giving our little one if we stayed here?"
It is a Skyrim Civil War. The Legions got involved recently, the Holds were warring for years.
I wasn't talking about millitary activities though was I? They earned their title "dark elf" because most of them are grim, confrontational, and racist. There society was largely dependant on the enslavement of 'beast' races, aswell as Nords/Imperials, let's not forget that they are mostly devout Daedra worshippers. Name one time when Nords enslaved multiple peoples based on there race?
Windhelm was built with Snow Elf slaves, thousands died building it. Slavery was common in Tamriel, it was only the Third Empire that outlawed it. Every province had slaves, Morrowind had slaves because it was allowed by Tiber Septim.
The Dunmer haven't practiced slavery in over two hundred years, prior to the Oblivion Crisis. Slavery was ended and the slaves returned home.
So it's fine for the Empie to racially profile Khajiit merchants, but Ulfric can't racially profile Argonians?
So Ulfric banished the Argonians because he believes them to be all skomma addicts?
Khajiit merchants aren't allowed in any Nordic city, it is what the Nord Jarls have chosen to do. Has nothing to do with the Empire's policies.
The Empire isn't fully involved because you can't handle it, and if you lack the troops to fortify a southern border & deal with a rebellion that is supposedly easy to quell, how do you expect to do anything against the Thalmor? It will take more than Cyrodill to beat the Thalmor, but your more interested in keeping the Elves happy that you'll conduct a Civil War on your own people before anything else, pathetic.
The Empire isn't fully involved because it has no reason to be, Ulfric can't even risk upsetting Cyrodiil because he can't afford an all out war with the Empire.
The Empire doesn't lack troops to be tied down on the Aldmeri Dominion's border, it isn't just "fortify it!" they're camped out down there waiting for orders. The Empire dealt with the rebellion, Ulfric Stormcloak had been captured and was about to be executed...
The reason there is a large lack of reinforcements is due to Pale Pass being blocked from an avalanch. The Empire is clearing it, and as mentioned from the Stormcloaks themselves. A new Imperial force is assembling to the south, coming to march into Skyrim.
Looks like that counts as, oh my god, could it really be? Reinforcements. The only pathetic thing is somehow you expect that the Empire if they were thinking logically, would hand Skyrim to Ulfric Stormcloak. The Empire believes the Thalmor are behind the Civil War, you don't hand a province to a group you think the Thalmor are behind.
The only reason there's a rebellion in the first place is because the Empire did what any Empire WOUDLN'T do. You forced the issue, then blame the Nords for not standing for it.
I blame them for being seduced by a charismatic politician who seeks the throne, no matter the cost.
Actually yeah, the stormcloaks are most of skyrim, most of the legion is imperials, from what the legates say it sounds like the legion only just started recruiting locals. In solitude, roggvir's family are obviously stormcloak sympathizers, and most stormcloak hate there comes from Bretons and imperials. Markarth has the silver bloods, but everyone there seems more concerned with forsworn than cheering on the legion. In morthal no one cares, and falkreath started off supporting the stormcloaks but at the last second they gave Dengeir the boot. The legion is all adventurers who want to see the world or mercs or actual soldiers. Stormcloaks are citizens standing up for their country and beliefs. Every time I play with the imperials I feel terribly everytime I kill a stormcloak cause I know they were probably a farmer or merchant who truly wanted an independent skyrim and be able to get rid of thalmor and worship their gods again.
No they're not. Most of the Legion in Skyrim aren't Imperials, they started local recruiting to boost their numbers. Nords have been joining the Legion for a long time.
The Legion soldiers you come across do have those fighting for their beliefs. Each side comments on why they joined their faction.
Stormcloaks you meet, some mention they only fight because "I'm a True Nord, simple as is"
You have a real uninformed bias going, since the local recruited are farmers and merchants, just like the Stormcloaks. Both sides are a Militia from locals. You hear Legion soldiers go on about "I couldn't stand by and watch the Stormcloaks tear everything apart"
So you feel bad about killing Stormcloaks who believe in their cause, but have no issue killing the Legion who believe in theirs?
The Thalmor doesn't just hate anyone... just those who don't align themselves with Thalmor interests. While they are against the Empire, and hate everything that it stands for it appears that the Thalmor's primary target is Skyrim at this time. They've already established a Stronghold (The Thalmor Embassy) and manage to capture a fort, and use it for their own prison.
The Thalmor do just hate anyone, if you're not one of them, you're nothing to them. Raijin, a single Thalmor embassy and a prison isn't an invasion. They don't have large numbers in Skyrim.
This is just one small step of attempting to take over the province... the very fact that the Thalmor Ambassador is doing a great job buttering up the wealthy nobles of Skyrim, even the future Queen of Skyrim is being heavily seduced, by hosting up luxury parties with expensive wines, and foods.
The Nobles and Jarls put on a show Raijin, anytime they're speaking about lasting peace between the Thalmor and Empire they're being sarcastic, which even the game files mention "Doesn't believe a word of it"
"Quite often, yes. The only thing I enjoy more than luxury is sharing that luxury with those who can appreciate it."
"But I also enjoy learning the latest gossip and hear the most intriguing rumors." -Elenwen
http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000bc22c
"Of course not. One does not gather the most important men and women of Skyrim and then serve them cheap ale and stale bread."
"This is only a taste of the benefits that accrue to those that align themselves with Thalmor interests."
-Elenwen
The parties are just the Thalmor being dicks.
"I swear Elenwen holds these parties just to make the Empire look bad. Almost makes me want to join the Stormcloaks."
No the Blades are not protected from an Imperial victory. The fact that the Empire disowned them even further proves it. Why would the Empire go out of their way to protect something that they threw away? Would you aggressively protect something that you just tossed away in the trash? Like a piece of paper that you no longer want? For as long as the WGC is still active and healthy The blades would not be safe.
A Stormcloak victory would give them some form of security and time to regain back their strength and power.
They don't need protection, they're hidden inside a fortress that has been lost since the Second Era. Unless the Thalmor manages to get the only copy of a book that Esbern has, they won't find it.
Delphine also isn't stupid enough to be followed, and if the Thalmor discovered them. They would need an army to get them out of that fortress, and the Empire stands between them for that in either victory.
The Blades are also against the Greybeards, so I don't think the Nords would be quick to side against the Greybeards.
Yes I am blaming the Empire for not enforcing the Talos ban. Who wouldn't? Why would a Government ban something and not enforce it? That's just stupid and down right ridiculous.
That alone almost makes me rage quit this thread.
The Thalmor wouldn't be in Skyrim if the Empire wasn't holding their part of the bargain.
They're in Skyrim because of the White-Gold Concordat, their increased presence is due to the rebellion. (mainly because they're sending supporters flocking towards Ulfric with their large inquisition)
I can barely keep up with your defense of the Empire. I refuse to believe that you're this naive, and willing to accept that what the Empire did was in the right.
I do think what the Empire did was right, they barely survived the last war.
Lets put it this way, Drunkenmage. You and I are at holy war: The Great war and you were winning. I decided that enough was enough and I came to you to ask for mercy, and you accepted it on 3 conditions.
1. Disown the blades (who was spying on you)
2. Ban the worship of Talos
3. Give you large sections of land
Later on you found out that I was not enforcing the ban of talos that was part of the bargain that was agreed upon. What would you do? Get angry right? Thats what the Thalmor did and so they created their own enforcements: Thalmor Justiciars. Because of the treaty that they signed the Thalmor were thus given free reign to not only hunt down the blades, but to also enforce the Talos worship through force... even go as far as slaughtering people.
The Thalmor don't get angry, they knew the Empire wouldn't enforce the ban from the get go. They don't care about that, they wanted to plant the seeds for Ulfric's uprising. The Thalmor care about taking over Tamriel, weakening Skyrim and the Empire is the best solution.
Skyrim and the Empire represent the only organized threat against them.
Chances are they've already won.
