Do you have Moral, Class or Gender Archetypes

Daelon DuLac · Aug 4, 2014

SaveVsBedWet said:
Hildolfr : Just before I saw your reputation bonus (thanks a lot by the way!), I actually thought about the female Thor thing and how that matches up with my views on female protagonists.

I don't know why specifically "the majority" is having a problem with this, although I can guess what a lot of the textbook objections are, and they come back to the same tired mantras. For me, I place this situation in another category. I am not particularly enthused about a female version of Thor, but with qualifications.

If they are simply doing a replacement? As in the female Thor is suddenly supposed to have been Thor the whole time, or otherwise makes the original Thor an afterthought or something else? No go. That's just lazy, and it will likely take deus ex machina to pull that off. I see that exactly the same as I see all of the sudden switches in dedicated heterosexual characters in shows like True Blood to suddenly gay curious or outright gay characters, dreaming of gay affairs. It is simply bandwagon PC B.S.

If there is a "role", as protector of Asgard that falls to "someone", and that "someone" used to be a guy named "Thor", but is now passing as a role to a woman, I'm cool with that. But that woman should not be named Thor. Setting aside how abominably horrible a name Thor is for a woman, there is already a Thor, and he has not exactly let the name go unheralded.

So is "Thor" a title/position, or a proper name? If the former? Then so long as it is explained responsibly and intelligently, and not phoned in, I can get behind it. But if it is a proper name, than this is a direct replacement and as such not only disparages the original character, but does no favors for the female character being introduced either. It is depriving her of her own identity.

I'm not sure what the answer has to do with the question, but you definitely bring up a lot of great thoughts! Thank you!

Lucid · Aug 4, 2014

I can bond equally well with a character of either gender, but build more female characters. I think a big part of the reason is that for most of my 30-something years of playing video games player-characters have been male. Going back to when he was neither Super nor Mario, but simply "Jumpman", and is still true for a lot of games today. It's nice to be able to say "I want to be a girl this time".

SaveVsBedWet · Aug 5, 2014

Daelon DuLac said:
SaveVsBedWet said:

Hildolfr : Just before I saw your reputation bonus (thanks a lot by the way!), I actually thought about the female Thor thing and how that matches up with my views on female protagonists.

I don't know why specifically "the majority" is having a problem with this, although I can guess what a lot of the textbook objections are, and they come back to the same tired mantras. For me, I place this situation in another category. I am not particularly enthused about a female version of Thor, but with qualifications.

If they are simply doing a replacement? As in the female Thor is suddenly supposed to have been Thor the whole time, or otherwise makes the original Thor an afterthought or something else? No go. That's just lazy, and it will likely take deus ex machina to pull that off. I see that exactly the same as I see all of the sudden switches in dedicated heterosexual characters in shows like True Blood to suddenly gay curious or outright gay characters, dreaming of gay affairs. It is simply bandwagon PC B.S.

If there is a "role", as protector of Asgard that falls to "someone", and that "someone" used to be a guy named "Thor", but is now passing as a role to a woman, I'm cool with that. But that woman should not be named Thor. Setting aside how abominably horrible a name Thor is for a woman, there is already a Thor, and he has not exactly let the name go unheralded.

So is "Thor" a title/position, or a proper name? If the former? Then so long as it is explained responsibly and intelligently, and not phoned in, I can get behind it. But if it is a proper name, than this is a direct replacement and as such not only disparages the original character, but does no favors for the female character being introduced either. It is depriving her of her own identity.

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I'm not sure what the answer has to do with the question, but you definitely bring up a lot of great thoughts! Thank you!

Haha. Nothing. It's in response to something brought up in a reputation award by someone who was responding to something I said related to the original question though.

SaveVsBedWet · Aug 5, 2014

Hildolfr :

I also collected Thor comics along with Uncanny X-Men as a teen. Still remember him breaking his hammer trying to bust through the processing dome inside a Celestial and having to go hand to hand with the shards wrapped in a piece of his ripped up cloak. I can get behind this line of logic for a female handling the legacy of Thor, although I can't imagine what Thor could possibly do that would cause him not to be worthy anymore. Must be heinous.

Ultimately, the main requirement for lifting Mjolnir is being worthy. What does that mean? Pure of heart? Likely. This is not a gender based trait, so anyone "worthy", of any age, or any gender or creed, should be able to pick up the hammer and do dental work "for less".

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So technically, that means even a baby girl could possibly pick up the hammer, which one must assume is not as heavy as it seems to the truly worthy - in fact, it's probably light as a feather.

Whomever wields the hammer gains and wields the power of Thor. So from this, we have to conclude that "Thor" is NOT actually a proper name in this regard. It is a character based ideal that is bigger than its own personification.

Under that understanding, I have no problem whatsoever with this concept. Nor do I have a problem with the girl being referred to as "Thor". Although I must admit, I cannot contain or put into words the depth of my disappointment that Boobies Thor has not received serious consideration.

Verily. We must all learn to compromise. "Thoobies"? "Thorbies"?

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