Black-Briar (Riften) or Silver-Blood (Markarth), Which one?

Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Maven is still kind of a thug, just a much smarter one.

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Can't disagree. She's a thug, but a very well dressed one.

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Choosing Maven is essentially choosing the same thing as choosing the Silver-Bloods. The difference is that Maven does not need/use the law or penal system to get rid of her enemies.

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Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Can't disagree. She's a thug, but a very well dressed one.

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Choosing Maven is essentially choosing the same thing as choosing the Silver-Bloods. The difference is that Maven does not need/use the law or penal system to get rid of her enemies.

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Not to me. Maven is smart and well connected. The Silverbloods are a bunch of local thugs that have enslaved an entire city. Maven I can deal with. The Silverbloods should ALL be wiped off the face of Nirn.

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Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Choosing Maven is essentially choosing the same thing as choosing the Silver-Bloods. The difference is that Maven does not need/use the law or penal system to get rid of her enemies.

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Not to me. Maven is smart and well connected. The Silverbloods are a bunch of local thugs that have enslaved an entire city. Maven I can deal with. The Silverbloods should ALL be wiped off the face of Nirn.

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And if you mess up, even by accident, she will have assassins after you all over Tamriel. Silver-Bloods, you escape Markarth and you are essentially in the clear.

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Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Not to me. Maven is smart and well connected. The Silverbloods are a bunch of local thugs that have enslaved an entire city. Maven I can deal with. The Silverbloods should ALL be wiped off the face of Nirn.

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And if you mess up, even by accident, she will have assassins after you all over Tamriel. Silver-Bloods, you escape Markarth and you are essentially in the clear.

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No-one "messes up by accident" Don't get me wrong. It's a bad idea to cross the Blackbriars, but, why would you when it makes so much more sense just do do what they ask. It's profitable and they're great contacts and resources all over Tamriel. What can the Silverbloods offer but slave labor and the occassional thug for hire (or and guerilla's if you feel like slaughtering innocent people). Besides, you would have to be an idiot to "mess-up" by "accident". What, did I pick-pocket her in the Market by mistake? Did I "accidently" break in to her manor and steal her belongings? Did I "accidently" offend her customers and guests at the Meadery? There are no accidents in Skyrim. It's usually because you weren't paying attention. I don't think Maven would have you killed for doing something "accidently". Just grovel and apologize and she'll let you off the hook, although you'll be under her thumb for the rest of your days. Remember Vald? He screwed up major league (losing the pen) and all she made him do was work for Mercer Frey for free as a guard for ever more. I think that pen is probably worth more than anything you could possible pull off as a character.

At least with Maven and her ilk, you know what you did wrong and know that you deserve whatever punishment she has in mind. Besides, she doesn't kill everyone that crosses her. Why bother when extortion, blackmail and jailing to intimidate leaves them alive and able to be used again. Maven actually works to get what she wants (refer to her hiring you and the TG to put her competitor out of business and take over. Nobody got hurt and now she's in control AND you got paid for it).

The Silverbloods on the other hand will TAKE what they want, even if that means killing you or framing you and using you as slave labor and extorting an entire city through fear tactics by using a created "Boogeyman" (i.e. the Foreswarn) that would have, in all likelyhood, never have actually entered the city to attack anyone and would have instead just made the entire region so inhospital to travelers that Markarth would have starved. Look what they did at Karthwasten and during the Foreswarn Conspiracy.

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Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

And if you mess up, even by accident, she will have assassins after you all over Tamriel. Silver-Bloods, you escape Markarth and you are essentially in the clear.

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No-one "messes up by accident" Don't get me wrong. It's a bad idea to cross the Blackbriars, but, why would you when it makes so much more sense just do do what they ask. It's profitable and they're great contacts and resources all over Tamriel. What can the Silverbloods offer but slave labor and the occassional thug for hire (or and guerilla's if you feel like slaughtering innocent people). Besides, you would have to be an idiot to "mess-up" by "accident". What, did I pick-pocket her in the Market by mistake? Did I "accidently" break in to her manor and steal her belongings? Did I "accidently" offend her customers and guests at the Meadery? There are no accidents in Skyrim. It's usually because you weren't paying attention. I don't think Maven would have you killed for doing something "accidently". Just grovel and apologize and she'll let you off the hook, although you'll be under her thumb for the rest of your days. Remember Vald? He screwed up major league (losing the pen) and all she made him do was work for Mercer Frey for free as a guard for ever more. I think that pen is probably worth more than anything you could possible pull off as a character.

At least with Maven and her ilk, you know what you did wrong and know that you deserve whatever punishment she has in mind. Besides, she doesn't kill everyone that crosses her. Why bother when extortion, blackmail and jailing to intimidate leaves them alive and able to be used again. Maven actually works to get what she wants (refer to her hiring you and the TG to put her competitor out of business and take over. Nobody got hurt and now she's in control AND you got paid for it).

The Silverbloods on the other hand will TAKE what they want, even if that means killing you or framing you and using you as slave labor and extorting an entire city through fear tactics by using a created "Boogeyman" (i.e. the Foreswarn) that would have, in all likelyhood, never have actually entered the city to attack anyone and would have instead just made the entire region so inhospital to travelers that Markarth would have starved. Look what they did at Karthwasten and during the Foreswarn Conspiracy.

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Perhaps, but remember she DOES have assassins in her pocket, and her reach is far because of it. Get on her bad side at all, and you might as well kill yourself.

Silver-Bloods, they only control the reach, you get in trouble and run, are they going to really send mercenaries to hunt down one person for whatever reason, then drag them back to Markarth just to throw them into the mine?

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Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

No-one "messes up by accident" Don't get me wrong. It's a bad idea to cross the Blackbriars, but, why would you when it makes so much more sense just do do what they ask. It's profitable and they're great contacts and resources all over Tamriel. What can the Silverbloods offer but slave labor and the occassional thug for hire (or and guerilla's if you feel like slaughtering innocent people). Besides, you would have to be an idiot to "mess-up" by "accident". What, did I pick-pocket her in the Market by mistake? Did I "accidently" break in to her manor and steal her belongings? Did I "accidently" offend her customers and guests at the Meadery? There are no accidents in Skyrim. It's usually because you weren't paying attention. I don't think Maven would have you killed for doing something "accidently". Just grovel and apologize and she'll let you off the hook, although you'll be under her thumb for the rest of your days. Remember Vald? He screwed up major league (losing the pen) and all she made him do was work for Mercer Frey for free as a guard for ever more. I think that pen is probably worth more than anything you could possible pull off as a character.

At least with Maven and her ilk, you know what you did wrong and know that you deserve whatever punishment she has in mind. Besides, she doesn't kill everyone that crosses her. Why bother when extortion, blackmail and jailing to intimidate leaves them alive and able to be used again. Maven actually works to get what she wants (refer to her hiring you and the TG to put her competitor out of business and take over. Nobody got hurt and now she's in control AND you got paid for it).

The Silverbloods on the other hand will TAKE what they want, even if that means killing you or framing you and using you as slave labor and extorting an entire city through fear tactics by using a created "Boogeyman" (i.e. the Foreswarn) that would have, in all likelyhood, never have actually entered the city to attack anyone and would have instead just made the entire region so inhospital to travelers that Markarth would have starved. Look what they did at Karthwasten and during the Foreswarn Conspiracy.

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Perhaps, but remember she DOES have assassins in her pocket, and her reach is far because of it. Get on her bad side at all, and you might as well kill yourself.

Silver-Bloods, they only control the reach, you get in trouble and run, are they going to really send mercenaries to hunt down one person for whatever reason, then drag them back to Markarth just to throw them into the mine?

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I would guess that they would. Everybody else sends mercenaries and bounty collectors, why not the Silverbloods. Of course you can make some good coin off those foolish enough to come searching for you (except the Couriers - they scare me. They're everywhere!). Besides, so many quests go on in the Reach it would get really annoying to have them always there. At least if EVERYBODY was out to kill me... oh wait, it's Skyrim! Everybody is out to kill me!

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Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Perhaps, but remember she DOES have assassins in her pocket, and her reach is far because of it. Get on her bad side at all, and you might as well kill yourself.

Silver-Bloods, they only control the reach, you get in trouble and run, are they going to really send mercenaries to hunt down one person for whatever reason, then drag them back to Markarth just to throw them into the mine?

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I would guess that they would. Everybody else sends mercenaries and bounty collectors, why not the Silverbloods. Of course you can make some good coin off those foolish enough to come searching for you (except the Couriers - they scare me. They're everywhere!). Besides, so many quests go on in the Reach it would get really annoying to have them always there. At least if EVERYBODY was out to kill me... oh wait, it's Skyrim! Everybody is out to kill me!

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Because the bounty hunters are not guards, they cannot really arrest and drag you back to Markarth. Maven can hire assassins to track you down and kill you.

In the end though, it is best, and preferable, to simply avoid both families.

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Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

I would guess that they would. Everybody else sends mercenaries and bounty collectors, why not the Silverbloods. Of course you can make some good coin off those foolish enough to come searching for you (except the Couriers - they scare me. They're everywhere!). Besides, so many quests go on in the Reach it would get really annoying to have them always there. At least if EVERYBODY was out to kill me... oh wait, it's Skyrim! Everybody is out to kill me!

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Because the bounty hunters are not guards, they cannot really arrest and drag you back to Markarth. Maven can hire assassins to track you down and kill you.

In the end though, it is best, and preferable, to simply avoid both families.

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Agree. Avoision! BTW: "Half-blood Hero" - what are the 1/2's?

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Jeremius said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Because the bounty hunters are not guards, they cannot really arrest and drag you back to Markarth. Maven can hire assassins to track you down and kill you.

In the end though, it is best, and preferable, to simply avoid both families.

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Agree. Avoision! BTW: "Half-blood Hero" - what are the 1/2's?

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It is a pathfinder thing. Dhampir are 1/2 vampire, and 1/2 "mortal". It was more meant to be a joke.

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Tyer032392 said:

Personally, I would never associate with either, but if given the chance, it would have to be with the Black Briars as the Silver-Bloods would sooner throw someone into jail than ally with them.

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Tyer032392 said:

Personally, I would never associate with either, but if given the chance, it would have to be with the Black Briars as the Silver-Bloods would sooner throw someone into jail than ally with them.

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Jeremius said:

Black-Briars are probably worse, as those who end up on Maven's 'hate' list could just as soon end up dead as forgiven.

Compared to that, slavery/imprisonment sounds cool, as I can then plot vengance and escape.

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Daelon DuLac said:

Jeremius said:

Black-Briars are probably worse, as those who end up on Maven's 'hate' list could just as soon end up dead as forgiven.

Compared to that, slavery/imprisonment sounds cool, as I can then plot vengance and escape.

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No one escapes from Sidnha mine. Ever. You will die there. I would prefer a knife in the dark.

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TheLonelyWolve said:

It is clear that maven would still be better, it's good to have many high contacts at your disposal, a bunch of nords feuding with savages, I dont like the idea. Besides, it would be impossible to get on mavens bad side when you are thieve guild master and listener/leader of the dark brotherhood, you practically have her on a leash.

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Jeremius said:

As just a regular guy, I would rather if I die, it be because I knew when. I would rather not risk a stupid knife in the back at all

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Skies said:

Jeremius said:

As just a regular guy, I would rather if I die, it be because I knew when. I would rather not risk a stupid knife in the back at all

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Hmmm. So knowing you would die a slave... Is better being a free man and just not waking up one night... Well then... The brightness is blinding me... Yes that is why my face is like -_-

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Jeremius said:

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I just do not like the idea of simply dying, not knowing it. At least as a slave, I can at least expect it and prepare as much as I can.

With the Maven issue, I just would not expect it, and that is bad.

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I guess I am missing the lines of logic. Please spell it out for me. what preparation can you really do? "I can at least scream before a brute crushes my skull against the cavern wall for my food."

Everyone may expect death... But no one is truly ready for it.

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