Brewman
Do I look worried?
Yes, it was Fort Kastav (when not in the civil war quest) even at high levels that mage is dangerous!
does anyone else think mages are OP ?
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Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
I want to know why NPC mages apparently have unlimited magicka? They're only wearing 50% or 75% regen robes in general and seem to use their stupid wards ALL the time (which just suck the magicka from me so I never use them) and can case ice spikes, spears, fireballs, lightning or whatever forever! I'm currently at level 61 with 300% regen and -142% destruction enchants and I still need to watch myself or I run out (thank goodness for Fondue!).
Seriously, why do NPC mages and hagravens have this ability? Frankly it's just easier to run up to them and cut them down with my battle-ax rather than try to get them with spells. Sheesh.
Seriously, why do NPC mages and hagravens have this ability? Frankly it's just easier to run up to them and cut them down with my battle-ax rather than try to get them with spells. Sheesh.
Nocte Aeterna
Sir Not-Appearing-in-This-Film
Mages are pure unadulterated badassery if you know how to use them. Read: Defense is just as important as offense. Alteration and ward spells are your friend.
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
If you have the magicka to use them. Where are you getting yours? Read my post. Wards just sucks up magicka and there's no way to recover quick enough. I agree that Alteration (especially the absorb and skin) is great, but wards? FAH! (BTW - I have 400 magicka).
Medea
The Shadow Queen
I've found that one of the best way to deal with mages is with stealth.
It's the classic "roshambo" fantasy formula:
Warrior beats Rogue
Rogue beats Wizard
Wizard beats Warrior
Fighting a wizard at range is not advisable. Sneaking up on a mage allows you to get close. Not only do you (normally) get the sneak attack in, but if that doesn't slay them outright you no longer need to close the distance to continue attacking them.
If your character isn't the sneaky type investing in invisibility potions and a pair of muffled boots is a good idea for those master level wizards.
Also, if there are multiple wizards, kill the most powerful one first. Taking out the novice spell-caster alerts the other, more powerful wizards to your presence and it won't be long before you are turned into an ash pile.
Also...be glad that NPC wizards cannot utilize the Impact Perk....be very glad.
It's the classic "roshambo" fantasy formula:
Warrior beats Rogue
Rogue beats Wizard
Wizard beats Warrior
Fighting a wizard at range is not advisable. Sneaking up on a mage allows you to get close. Not only do you (normally) get the sneak attack in, but if that doesn't slay them outright you no longer need to close the distance to continue attacking them.
If your character isn't the sneaky type investing in invisibility potions and a pair of muffled boots is a good idea for those master level wizards.
Also, if there are multiple wizards, kill the most powerful one first. Taking out the novice spell-caster alerts the other, more powerful wizards to your presence and it won't be long before you are turned into an ash pile.
Also...be glad that NPC wizards cannot utilize the Impact Perk....be very glad.
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Agree. If I don't take them out with arrows (if you catch them unawares, you can do this, otherwise they are way too good at dodging) or another favorite is to sneak up behind them and slit their throats. Doesn't work too well if there is more than one though so in those cases I just spam Ice Storms on them until they're all dead (fireballs work too and so does chain lightning, but the all seem to be highly resistant to lightening - can't say as I blame themI've found that one of the best way to deal with mages is with stealth.
It's the classic "roshambo" fantasy formula:
Warrior beats Rogue
Rogue beats Wizard
Wizard beats Warrior
Fighting a wizard at range is not advisable. Sneaking up on a mage allows you to get close. Not only do you (normally) get the sneak attack in, but if that doesn't slay them outright you no longer need to close the distance to continue attacking them.
If your character isn't the sneaky type investing in invisibility potions and a pair of muffled boots is a good idea for those master level wizards.
Also, if there are multiple wizards, kill the most powerful one first. Taking out the novice spell-caster alerts the other, more powerful wizards to your presence and it won't be long before you are turned into an ash pile.
Also...be glad that NPC wizards cannot utilize the Impact Perk....be very glad.
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JoeReese
Well-Known Member
How are you running out with over 100% destruction enchantments? When I reach 100%, I don't even get the magicka bar to show up when I cast...or is it wards and conjurations?
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
It's wards mostly. Conjuration isn't a big deal and illusion isn't a problem either. I just can't get the hang of wards. I suppose I could hold it for a few seconds and then I'd recharge very quickly, but, so many mages use lightning they just suck up the magicka that I have as quickly as I can recharge it.
NPC mages get perks that increase their damage and other stats, I believe, and also ignore Damage Threshold. Unless you are playing on a lower difficulty and/or have high magic resistance, they will tear you to pieces.
You need to get some resist magic/ resist frost/ resist fire enchantments on apparel, failing that use potions instead, Elixirs > Philters > regular
100 level enchantment gets you 52% fire/frost resistance and 22% Resist Magic. Dual enchant on necklace and rings with Enchanters Elixir.
52% Resist Fire/Frost + 22% Resist magic (necklace) + 22% Resist magic (ring) = 96% frost/fire/ resistance
(well actually its capped at 85%, but even so you can easily deal with mages - and even Ancient Dragons scarcely do any damage with frost or fire breath.)
100 level enchantment gets you 52% fire/frost resistance and 22% Resist Magic. Dual enchant on necklace and rings with Enchanters Elixir.
52% Resist Fire/Frost + 22% Resist magic (necklace) + 22% Resist magic (ring) = 96% frost/fire/ resistance
(well actually its capped at 85%, but even so you can easily deal with mages - and even Ancient Dragons scarcely do any damage with frost or fire breath.)
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Again, it depends on your difficulty level. I don't really have issues with them up to Adept, but for Master and Legendary, I just find it better to avoid them or take 'em out from stealth 'cause, no matter your protections, you just aren't going to survive the encounter if there's more than a couple of them around.
Twiffle
Well-Known Member
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
I don't know who that's directed to, but I do! I do! And thank goodness, I thought you were going to mention Alchemy again!
(although you'd certainly be right. On my PS3 I can stack potions like you wouldn't believe!).
Twiffle
Well-Known Member
I don't know who that's directed to, but I do! I do! And thank goodness, I thought you were going to mention Alchemy again!
Well to be honest my friend, (and dont be offended), you really haven't thought the role of a ''Mage'' through enough.
Let me explain with my current mage, she is an illusion/restoration mage with alteration and conjuration as secondary, but as you have done i also have 100 in enchanting, so my gear is as follows. 100% reduction in illusion and restoration, i have lots of perks in the conjuration and alteration tree which means some of the spells cost about 50 to cast with a pool of 500, but the important thing is i never ever use or enchant anything with REGEN, its pointless even useless due to the handicap it gets during confrontation, SO, its the reduction of cost which is the most important of major skills which are vital,
When i go into battle i can summon something minimal cost, cast flesh for minimal, cast illusion for nothing and let them fight among themselves and put up a permanent GRAND WARD if required for nothing, and still have loads of manner left for a few fireballs to polish off the stragglers, so to be honest i really dont see how wards are a problem, ,
thats my 2 cents friend, ,
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Well I do have reduction to well over 100 (I know that's not possible, but, if you add them up 26+26+26+26 + the 50's for Destruction, Conjuration and Illusion it's well over 100) and I have 400 pool so I must be doing something wrong since I also have regen of 62+62+70+62. I haven't done anything with alteration or restoration so maybe that's my problem. Wards just get in my way most of the time. Since my health is 400+ now too, I can usually handle 1, 2 or even 3 mages, but an example would be those a**holes in the fort on the way to Winterhold - I just can't seem to get past them without massive damage. It's a little better now that I have +100% health regen, but still... I'm trying to remember to summon either a storm antro or a dremora, but I often forget when the battle gets heated.I don't know who that's directed to, but I do! I do! And thank goodness, I thought you were going to mention Alchemy again!
Well to be honest my friend, (and dont be offended), you really haven't thought the role of a ''Mage'' through enough.
Let me explain with my current mage, she is an illusion/restoration mage with alteration and conjuration as secondary, but as you have done i also have 100 in enchanting, so my gear is as follows. 100% reduction in illusion and restoration, i have lots of perks in the conjuration and alteration tree which means some of the spells cost about 50 to cast with a pool of 500, but the important thing is i never ever use or enchant anything with REGEN, its pointless even useless due to the handicap it gets during confrontation, SO, its the reduction of cost which is the most important of major skills which are vital,
When i go into battle i can summon something minimal cost, cast flesh for minimal, cast illusion for nothing and let them fight among themselves and put up a permanent GRAND WARD if required for nothing, and still have loads of manner left for a few fireballs to polish off the stragglers, so to be honest i really dont see how wards are a problem, ,
thats my 2 cents friend, ,
Twiffle
Well-Known Member
Ok mate, , but at the moment my stats on my mage are 500 manna, 150 health and 100 stamina and with a little thought to be honest nothing touches me, , and no i havnt used alchemy with this one, , you maybe just need to have a look at it a little more and please please please drop the damn regen it's about as good as a chocolate fireguard,
Incorrect. It is only useless if you have 100% reduction on the kind of magic you are using.Ok mate, , but at the moment my stats on my mage are 500 manna, 150 health and 100 stamina and with a little thought to be honest nothing touches me, , and no i havnt used alchemy with this one, , you maybe just need to have a look at it a little more and please please please drop the damn regen it's about as good as a chocolate fireguard,
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Why drop the regen? Even with the cost drop, spamming costs. Perhaps I should enchant with magic resistance instead? Since all my reductions are in destruction, I just feel like I need it when I'm using high level illusion and conjuration.Ok mate, , but at the moment my stats on my mage are 500 manna, 150 health and 100 stamina and with a little thought to be honest nothing touches me, , and no i havnt used alchemy with this one, , you maybe just need to have a look at it a little more and please please please drop the damn regen it's about as good as a chocolate fireguard,
Twiffle
Well-Known Member
Incorrect. It is only useless if you have 100% reduction on the kind of magic you are using.Ok mate, , but at the moment my stats on my mage are 500 manna, 150 health and 100 stamina and with a little thought to be honest nothing touches me, , and no i havnt used alchemy with this one, , you maybe just need to have a look at it a little more and please please please drop the damn regen it's about as good as a chocolate fireguard,
Erm, , please read the thread completely as i was talking about 100% reduction, ,
