Why Skyrim Is Bad

Well it's obvious that you don't really like the game even though you were only at level 24 when you made this assumption.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion & the majority of the people, myself included, will disagree with your assumption based our own gameplay.


Skyrim was the first of the TES games I've played & I've logged thousands of hours, I'm on my 2 disc ( The other one died ) & I'm on my 2nd Xbox 360 ( The other one died as well ) & I still love the game. For the last 2 -3 weeks I've played other games & only got back into Skyrim again yesterday.

So you don't like Skyrim, that is your prerogative, but seriously, did you think everyone was going to bow down and agree with you or did you write it for the sole reason to incite everyone's ire & start something that is bordering on a Flame War.

I guess you feel " Qualified " on the subject because you have reached level 24, like wow, try playing a character or several characters right through to level 81, max out all the skills & place the perks where you. Try playing different styles & races before making half arsed assumptions about how bad the game is. As it's obvious you have only scratched the surface in the game. If you don't like it then just pack it up & shelve it then move onto something else.

You may not like it, but we do.

we should all just drop it...

Skyrim is essentially a graphical update of Oblivion (along with other things) since it runs on the same engine. The game simply isn't very fun if you play it absent minded, you have to role-play and make the game fun, if you don't or can't then i'd suggest staying away from TES. Even though these games are a massive undertaking, I think they'll add and improve on the things you've mentioned for TES:6 as next-gen games become even more realistic.

it's not the same engine...

perkecet said:

it's not the same engine...

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Pretty sure it is, they just changed some of the coding and dubbed it "creation Engine"

420 is correct, the OP does have some valid points.

There are a lot of things that could be made better, even from the " Achievements " side of things.

You get an achievement when you reach Level 51 but nothing when you max out at Level 81.

You get an achievement when you have 100,000 Gold but nothing when you reach 1,000,000 and so forth.

You get an achievement when you get a Bounty of 1,000 Gold in all Holds but nothing when you get a total bounty of 250,000 Gold over the whole of Skyrim.

There should be more incentive to go for Achievements & Quests. Even some of the Daedric Artefacts could be a hell of a lot better than what they are.
The same goes for the Dragon Priest Masks & a lot of other stuff as well.

Some of the Quests are way too short, there should be more in-depth Quests, the list goes on. There are a lot of posts & threads on this forum about it.

JGrecco said:

Your an idiot, Go play world of war craft you ungrateful turd.

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Comments like this are totally uncalled for, what you have written is Flaming, pure & simple. The OP voiced his opinion based on his gameplay as I have voiced my opinion based on my gameplay. Calling the OP names simply because you disagree with what they wrote is childish & immature.


A person can play the game any way they want to enjoy it, you don't need to Role Play as some have put it, to enjoy yourself.

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it's not the same engine...

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Apologies, it's pretty much the same as the new vegas engine, not oblivion.

Magey McFireball said:

Honestly, you are attempting to justify this? You are really going to tell me the landscape is bland because otherwise it wouldn't fit with the lore, and not because the developers didn't put time into it? I have a feeling you put more thought into it than Bethesda did.

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I never said that the landscape is bland. That's merely your opinion and one you've placed in a vacuum because you've failed to enunciate what you find to be so bland about it. I find the landscape to be beautiful, and find it to be as diverse as one could expect to find in a province like Skyrim. If you're talking about the resolution of the textures I agree that they aren't anything special but that was a conciliation made towards gaming console users to whom the game was largely focused on in terms of marketing appeal. I'm getting the sense that's not what you're talking about but if you continue to be vague and non-specific no one here is going to understand what it actually is you're talking about.

Magey McFireball said:

Again with the whole "you're playing it wrong" approach. A game having good combat doesn't mean it can be fun if you spice it up yourself, it means you get stomped on if you don't.

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Fully using the game mechanics of the combat system isn't "spicing it up." I'm not talking about limiting what you can do in the game to make combat harder. That's irrelevant to a claim that the combat system is shallow. I'm talking about the fact that you don't know much about certain aspects of the combat system if you think all it offers is button mashing to defeat enemies. If you did know better than you would realize I was talking about the opposite of limiting the way you do combat in the game.

In a role playing game with the concept of varied classes and play styles, getting "stomped on" if you don't fight in a narrow specific way is not the sign of a good combat system, it's the opposite. Being able to defeat an enemy in a myriad of ways based on your character design is an aspect of a good combat system for an RPG. It's also irrelevant to your opinion that the combat system is shallow, and my observation that if you think all there is to combat is button mashing then it's simply because your play style is one-dimensional. Ultimately however, an RPG is not going to offer a more complex or unforgiving combat system because it's not an FPS.

You also failed to clarify how claiming that you can slaughter everything at will is reconcilable with your claim that enemies barely react to your hits.

Magey McFireball said:

Right, because I want this game to be even more boring.

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This sarcastic remark completely ignores the point that you falsely claimed to have the best weapons in the game. You clearly didn't and, ironically, claiming that you did actually undermines one of your points if one of them was that combat is easy. It actually would have supported your claim better if you accurately claimed that you didn't even create the best weapons and armor for your character and that combat was still easy in spite of that.

If your getting Daedric armor at level 24, you were grinding your Smithing skill. That's simply undeniable because the character level xp gain to get to 90 Smithing skill constitutes almost half of your xp gain at level 24. If you choose to play a game in the most boring manner possible so you can adopt the most boring combat strategy and experience the most boring combat possible then, surprise, the game is going to be as boring as it can possibly be.

In addition if you did that then your damage output should have been relatively low at level 24 even with tempered Daedric weapons so I doubt that you've ever actually played that way on Master Difficulty level from the start. If you had your experience probably have been markedly different than simply moving the slider over to Master after you've already optimized your build. You would have almost certainly died numerous times while trying to achieve that build at that level at Master Difficulty setting.

Magey McFireball said:

Pardon me, but how are using potions 'exploits'? We are talking about the ones built into the game for player use right?

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Because when the potions do something that they are not supposed to do to the enchanting and tempering processes, i.e. break the hard caps to Fortify Alchemy gear and Fortify Enchanting and Fortify Smithing potions instead of merely making Restoration spells more powerful, then using them to make potions to do exactly that is clearly exploiting. Anyone who can't grasp that concept simply doesn't understand what an exploit is. There's nothing wrong with doing that in a single player game, and I'm not saying that you did it, but if you did it then it's stupid to complain that the game is too easy because you used the exploit.

I HATE YOU GUYS!!! NOW THANKS TO THIS THREAD I'M STARTING TO THINK SKYRIM'S UNREALISTIC!!!

Maybe if one of you are old enough, you should go join Bethesda and add up all these things you want

wow, this thread is still running... Let's all agree to stop playing Skyrim and play Duke Nukem Forever for a week, THEN maybe we will appreciate Skyrim much better.

In the meantime... Carls Jr anyone?

People, he's entitled to his opinion, it doesn't make him a troll or an idiot, just someone with a different view.
OT: I partially agree with him. Though I wouldn't call Skyrim bad, it's still a damn good game, just in my opinion not as good as Morrowind/Oblivion, for reasons that are too many to go over in one post.
Still a good game however, and excels both in some parts, namely combat.

Magey McFireball said:

- The world has no variety whatsoever. When you finish the intro sequence and escape from the dragon, that very first view you get of Skyrim... that's ALL you are going to see for the rest of the time you play the game.

- The combat system is shallow. All the melee weapons feel exactly (aside from the obvious weight/speed difference between a dagger and a hammer) the same. The monsters in the game barely react to your hits, each weapon type only has a couple moves and a majority of the time you will simply be spamming the same one because otherwise your stamina will go to sh!t and so will your damage output. There is absolutely zero reason to use one weapon type over another. It's all the same sh!t. Each hit feels week and unsatisfying, like you're fighting against air.

- The story is extremely bland and there are 0 interesting NPCs/quest lines. Oblivion AT LEAST had the Dark Brotherhood and a couple of other awesome quests.

-The dungeons all feel exactly the same, and are only slightly better than Oblivion's.

- Worst itemization of any RPG game ever. Every single item you find throughout the world is completely worthless. There are no interesting affixes on the weapons and they all look bland as hell.

I hyped the hell out of this game ever since Bethesda even released a name for it. I had the app on my phone that counted down the days and I was at the door at midnight waiting for my copy.

I played this for less than 3 weeks and I have not touched it until this morning. I'm level 24 with the best armor and I can craft the best weapons in the game. I put on the hardest difficulty and I'm still slaughtering everybody. The Dragon fights are boring after the 15th time fighting one and the quests are so god awful and easy, way points telling you exactly where you go and what you do.

What happened to the NPCs giving you a vague description of where to go? So when you're doing a quest you have to remember to keep your eyes open and use the area to find who/what you're looking for.

What happened to the mix and matching your armor pieces, looking for the 1 of the 3 daedric helms to perfect your armor set?

What happened to actually traveling on foot and taking a silt strider or boat and not just opening up the map, fast traveling and bam being at the city.

What happened to large open cities that were under constant bandit attack?

What happened to spears?

Where did this casualization come from?

Bethesda has been lazy for a while, providing the basic framework for something that is really crap until the community starts piling on the mods. This game doesn't deserve the GOTY awards it gets, the community does. I just don't understand how anyone can still buy Bethesda's crap in 2012. Skyrim is -barely- an RPG. They are very, very obviously going after the CoD crowd and all their games have gotten progressively more dumbed down with each successive entry. Bethesda is one of the worst companies right now, and if their new steampunk RPG doesn't pull them out of this rut then they are going to be on the chopping block just like Blizzard and Bioware, and just like Blizzard and Bioware, I'm abandoning ship before it fully sinks and I go down with it.

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First off. You don't go to a car enthusiast site and then say cars are stupid and not expect an aggressive response.

This is another case of the nostalgia goggles. Ill point out the issues in your aguements in list format.

1. The world has no variety.
Did you go to Solitude? Did you go to Windhelm? Did you go to Riften? By the sounds of things, you just went to Whiterun, abused the smithing system, then quit. The Rift is completely different compared to the Pale. One is a wasteland, One is a forest. How much variety do you want? Did you want to go to the bloody moon? (Because you sort of can.)

2. The combat system is bland.
Ok, thats your opinion. You are entitled to that, but being LV 24 and doing noting other than smashing things with various weapons while not enjoying it is just stupid. You should of given the other two combat systems a go before accusing the whole system of being bland. Magic requires management skills to be used effectively and bows need a good aim and estimation skills when used at great range. Your hated COD only has one option- shoot.
Also, if you make LV. 50 equivelent gear, of course you are going to dominate LV 20 enimes no matter what difficulty you are on. It's called logic.

3. The story is extremely bland.
You create your own story bro. If you arn't enjoying it, then its your fault. Skyrim has the Dark Brotherhood, and it is a fair bit deeper than Oblivions version. The Daedric quests have quite a bit of meat too.

4. All the dungeons are the same.
What you are noticing is this amazing thing called consistency. Do not mistake consistency for repetition. Each dungeon has a different layout. Similar setpieces, true, but each has been hand-crafted, whereas your esteemed oblivion used many lazy copy-pastes.

5. Worst itemisation EVER.
I'm pretty sure there has been worse. WAY WORSE. ESPECIALLY IN RPGs.
When you only reached LV 24. You have no right to say that every item is worthless. Skyrim's setting is fairly grounded. Of course, this means there isn't going to be any ULTIMATE 1337 GLOWING GIANT WEAPONZ OF WTF HAX. But there are some pretty unique weapons and items.

6. It's your fault you hyped the hell out of it. Not bethesda's. Not sure what you mean by "they even gave it a name." Bethesda has always given thier games names. In fact, it's pretty much an industry standard believe it or not.

7. Dragon fights fall under the comabt system. I won't go into it again.

8. NPC's typically didn't give you directions in Oblivion either. Also, with the amount of radiant quest variables there is, it is unreasonable to expect dialouge to be recorded for every last quest.

9. Mix/match armour systems were reduced in order to improve on-screen rendering and perfomance, allowing more NPC's to be on-screen at once. Once again, it's not Bethesda's fault you abused a crafting system. Daedric items are exceedingly rare naturally (3% chance to spawn at LV 50 from memory).

10. You do not have to use the fast travel system. There is also carriges at your disposal and horses.

11. Your Xbox would crash if the cities were open. Bandits also caused problems in cities, so they were removed.

12. Spears have been gones since oblivion. Bethesda also said they were not on the table for Skyrim.

13. Thats you opinion again Bro.

14. YOUR OPINION, AGAIN. Which is wrong. If a company gets GOTY, they are doing well, not badly. The whole dumbed-down thing is also disputable. I assume you are refering to stats. Half of the stats in oblivion and Morrowind were useless and I agree with Bethesda's choice to cut them.

OP is such a troll. Skyrim is my favourite game ever, that's not to say its perfect though, show me a game that is. The combat only degrades down to simply spamming the right trigger if that's the combat choice you make. One of my characters goes around with calm in one hand and Mehrunes razor in the other, allowing me to calm enemies then sneak behind them for a backstab kill. If there's multiple enemies I'll have to change tactics by summoning a Daedra or atronach and either summoning two swords or a bow, depending on the situation. Saying the combat in Skyrim is inherently simple is like saying South Park is inherently childish. It might seem like its all fart and dick jokes on the face of it but underneath there's clever references and social commentary all over the place. Skyrim is not just one view all the time as you imply (and even if it were it's a beautiful view anyway), the landscape varies a bit but not too much, consistency is key. Do you expect lush dense jungles and arid swampland and dry deserts and so on all in one province? A province that is famed for its snow and mountains? If so you're an idiot.

No interesting NPC's? What about Cicero? He's really annoying but you can't say he's bland or boring. M'aiq the liar? His (usually) comical commentaries on Skyrim are interesting. Alduin, Parthurnx, Odahviing? All interesting.

I've played morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim and I can say skyrim is easily the best. Sure there's stuff in oblivion I wish was in skyrim but skyrim simply excels in so many areas that it doesn't matter.

Morrowind sucks anyway.

HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH US
HE MUST BE TROLLING

Video games are fun, if they are not fun then perhaps you should not play them.

Mullenmoor said:

HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH US
HE MUST BE TROLLING

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Based on the first post I would say no. But since he has failed to make an intelligent argument. Much less one that inst out right insulting anyone that disagrees with him since then I think the troll tag fits

Perhaps I spoke too soon. I only really read the OP, so I've yet to see any of his later behavior.

Now now. We are all mature adults here. People have their own opinion. While I do love Skyrim, it is not flawless and frankly, I was a little disappointed deep inside when I first got it. The hype exceeds my expectation and the game itself was below it. Of course, there's always mods and Skyrim has even stronger community now so the game is more than just worthy of purchase. Vanilla game isn't terrible. It just could've been better.

On another note, I guess you could see Bethesda going downhill like Blizzard and Bioware but Bethesda hasn't made any wrong move for me. Sure, Skyrim was overhyped but it has a strong modding community to back it up. The modding is now more accessible through Steamworks. Oh, and Skyrim is a steam game. Blizzard made its own terrible DRM with an excuse of 'enhancing the online experience'. No LAN(on SC2 and D3. WTF??), must be online and unmoddable(for Diablo 3). Bioware games are on Origin only which is terrible as hell and ME3 disaster. Skyrim may be on Steam but you can still play offline mode with Steam and Bethesda took an advantage of Steamworks incredibly well IMO. Bethesda is publishing its game on Steam and it's DLC marketing is alright ever since they learned from horse armor incident. Well, they are bring up this MMORPG in Elder Scrolls universe but that's for MMO people so I don't care.
tl;dr Bethesda didn't screwed up as badly as Blizzard and Bioware in terms of various services

Anyways, I take it that you are from /v/ (or /vg/) so, welcome.

The Fatalist said:

First off. You don't go to a car enthusiast site and then say cars are stupid and not expect an aggressive response.

This is another case of the nostalgia goggles. Ill point out the issues in your aguements in list format.

1. The world has no variety.
Did you go to Solitude? Did you go to Windhelm? Did you go to Riften? By the sounds of things, you just went to Whiterun, abused the smithing system, then quit. The Rift is completely different compared to the Pale. One is a wasteland, One is a forest. How much variety do you want? Did you want to go to the bloody moon? (Because you sort of can.)

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Yeah, I did. All the same cobble stone and dirt, nothing new to be seen.

Also, I am not saying I didn't expect an aggressive response, I said I expected a slightly intelligent one over "hurr durr trolling" and alike.

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2. The combat system is bland.
Ok, thats your opinion. You are entitled to that, but being LV 24 and doing noting other than smashing things with various weapons while not enjoying it is just stupid. You should of given the other two combat systems a go before accusing the whole system of being bland. Magic requires management skills to be used effectively and bows need a good aim and estimation skills when used at great range. Your hated COD only has one option- shoot.
Also, if you make LV. 50 equivelent gear, of course you are going to dominate LV 20 enimes no matter what difficulty you are on. It's called logic.

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Here's the issue, I did. The combat is boring overall, sure there is a little thrill when you are on the brink of death, but overall the combat is the same as WoW's in that you can literally just stand there and mash buttons or move around and be all acrobatic with it and get the exact same result, and that is a sign it is flawed.

Also, if the game allows something game-breaking, how is it my fault it breaks the game? I have the ability to craft completely game-breaking with little to no difficulty, it makes the game broken. Think about it, if there was a shield power-up in a Halo game that basically turned on god mode for the rest of the game, and it made the game unbearably easy and boring, it isn't the gamers problem or fault for using it, it is the developers for making it, allowing it, and putting it there in the first place.

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3. The story is extremely bland.
You create your own story bro. If you arn't enjoying it, then its your fault. Skyrim has the Dark Brotherhood, and it is a fair bit deeper than Oblivions version. The Daedric quests have quite a bit of meat too.

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Okay, that is another "you are playing it wrong" issue, I would have thought you guys would have figured it out by now. If this is a game based around it's story, and the story is supposed to be really well thought out and flow together and be amazing, why is it my fault when the story is bad? If you want to stick to that car dealership analogy; if you buy a car, it is supposed to work. If you don't perform regular maintenance on it, it won't work. Now, say you buy a car and day 1 it stops working, you could say "It was supposed to work! I just bought it!" and everyone else would still be saying "you didn't perform any maintenance on it? it's your own fault bro." What I am saying is that it isn't my job to make this game fun, it's the developers job, and if it isn't fun because it lacks in some area, it doesn't mean I'm playing it wrong.

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4. All the dungeons are the same.
What you are noticing is this amazing thing called consistency. Do not mistake consistency for repetition. Each dungeon has a different layout. Similar setpieces, true, but each has been hand-crafted, whereas your esteemed oblivion used many lazy copy-pastes.

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No, it is not called consistency, it is called 'lazy'. Consistency would be each dungeon and instance being unique and different while still keeping the same tone. For example, some of the dwemer dungeons have consistency, meaning they are fairly varied and have different set pieces, puzzles, and enemies while still keeping consistency. Buuuut, all of the underground dungeons look exactly the same, same textures, same zombies, it all looks the same. I am not saying Oblivion did better in this category, I am saying that a game that came out years after it should have stepped it up.

The Fatalist said:

5. Worst itemisation EVER.
I'm pretty sure there has been worse. WAY WORSE. ESPECIALLY IN RPGs.
When you only reached LV 24. You have no right to say that every item is worthless. Skyrim's setting is fairly grounded. Of course, this means there isn't going to be any ULTIMATE 1337 GLOWING GIANT WEAPONZ OF WTF HAX. But there are some pretty unique weapons and items.

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Albeit that was a bit of an exaggeration, but honestly, there should have been something to that ultimate elite thing. This is a fantasy RPG, meaning they don't have to be bound by any means of realism, so why can't they make the weapons more interesting? All the special weapons are just normal ones that glow slightly and have a stat boost. I am not saying give me MORE game-breaking items, I am saying give me ones that at least look different so you can differentiate the DRAGONBORN SAVIOR OF SKYRIM AND TAMRIEL and that bandit over there.

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6. It's your fault you hyped the hell out of it. Not bethesda's. Not sure what you mean by "they even gave it a name." Bethesda has always given thier games names. In fact, it's pretty much an industry standard believe it or not.

7. Dragon fights fall under the comabt system. I won't go into it again.

8. NPC's typically didn't give you directions in Oblivion either. Also, with the amount of radiant quest variables there is, it is unreasonable to expect dialouge to be recorded for every last quest.

9. Mix/match armour systems were reduced in order to improve on-screen rendering and perfomance, allowing more NPC's to be on-screen at once. Once again, it's not Bethesda's fault you abused a crafting system. Daedric items are exceedingly rare naturally (3% chance to spawn at LV 50 from memory).

10. You do not have to use the fast travel system. There is also carriges at your disposal and horses.

11. Your Xbox would crash if the cities were open. Bandits also caused problems in cities, so they were removed.

12. Spears have been gones since oblivion. Bethesda also said they were not on the table for Skyrim.

13. Thats you opinion again Bro.

14. YOUR OPINION, AGAIN. Which is wrong. If a company gets GOTY, they are doing well, not badly. The whole dumbed-down thing is also disputable. I assume you are refering to stats. Half of the stats in oblivion and Morrowind were useless and I agree with Bethesda's choice to cut them.

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7. Good

8. I know, it was a good thing...

9. "abused" wow, you think I abused something without even slightly going out of the games limits. If it is considered "abusing" something to use it to it's full extent, then Bethesda shouldn't have put it in there in the first place.

10. Principal of the thing, you say to just roleplay to make the game better (which I shouldn't have to do) then you shouldn't be saying just ignore ANOTHER part of the game.

11. PC gaming, dude. Even if that was the case, two things: 1) It isn't my fault they can't do it, 2) It should at least be an option for those that can handle it.

12. Right, that's why they were considering putting them in, you know, in their next DLC!

13. Yeah it is again Bro.

14. If a company gets GOTY, it means they are doing well financially. If they sell a lot, it doesn't mean it's a good game. For example, the Spike VGAs don't exactly require a good game, you and I both know that. It is all about who has the most money at the end of the day.

Harperlarp said:

OP is such a troll. Skyrim is my favourite game ever, that's not to say its perfect though, show me a game that is. The combat only degrades down to simply spamming the right trigger if that's the combat choice you make. One of my characters goes around with calm in one hand and Mehrunes razor in the other, allowing me to calm enemies then sneak behind them for a backstab kill. If there's multiple enemies I'll have to change tactics by summoning a Daedra or atronach and either summoning two swords or a bow, depending on the situation. Saying the combat in Skyrim is inherently simple is like saying South Park is inherently childish. It might seem like its all fart and dick jokes on the face of it but underneath there's clever references and social commentary all over the place. Skyrim is not just one view all the time as you imply (and even if it were it's a beautiful view anyway), the landscape varies a bit but not too much, consistency is key. Do you expect lush dense jungles and arid swampland and dry deserts and so on all in one province? A province that is famed for its snow and mountains? If so you're an idiot.

No interesting NPC's? What about Cicero? He's really annoying but you can't say he's bland or boring. M'aiq the liar? His (usually) comical commentaries on Skyrim are interesting. Alduin, Parthurnx, Odahviing? All interesting.

I've played morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim and I can say skyrim is easily the best. Sure there's stuff in oblivion I wish was in skyrim but skyrim simply excels in so many areas that it doesn't matter.

Morrowind sucks anyway.

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Well, I am happy it is one of your favorite games and you are enjoying it. I am most certainly not a troll, I just want Skyrim to be great so I am holding it to a higher standard.

Mullenmoor said:

HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH US
HE MUST BE TROLLING

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I know right?

Chokain said:

Video games are fun, if they are not fun then perhaps you should not play them.

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Video games are fun? Every play Drake of the 99 Dragons? Pretty big example of the opposite.

But I do think actual games are fun, for a while I did enjoy Skyrim, until it fell apart really quickly and got boring. Like I said, I want Skyrim to truly deserve that Game of the Year title it gets, so I am holding it to a higher standard. Is it a bad game? No. Is it a great game? No.

hexperiment said:

Now now. We are all mature adults here. People have their own opinion. While I do love Skyrim, it is not flawless and frankly, I was a little disappointed deep inside when I first got it. The hype exceeds my expectation and the game itself was below it. Of course, there's always mods and Skyrim has even stronger community now so the game is more than just worthy of purchase. Vanilla game isn't terrible. It just could've been better.

On another note, I guess you could see Bethesda going downhill like Blizzard and Bioware but Bethesda hasn't made any wrong move for me. Sure, Skyrim was overhyped but it has a strong modding community to back it up. The modding is now more accessible through Steamworks. Oh, and Skyrim is a steam game. Blizzard made its own terrible DRM with an excuse of 'enhancing the online experience'. No LAN(on SC2 and D3. WTF??), must be online and unmoddable(for Diablo 3). Bioware games are on Origin only which is terrible as hell and ME3 disaster. Skyrim may be on Steam but you can still play offline mode with Steam and Bethesda took an advantage of Steamworks incredibly well IMO. Bethesda is publishing its game on Steam and it's DLC marketing is alright ever since they learned from horse armor incident. Well, they are bring up this MMORPG in Elder Scrolls universe but that's for MMO people so I don't care.
tl;dr Bethesda didn't screwed up as badly as Blizzard and Bioware in terms of various services

Anyways, I take it that you are from /v/ (or /vg/) so, welcome.

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See people? More of you need to be like this. Honestly, are so many of you so infallible that you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is just trying to get a rise out of you?

Here's what I think, I love Skyrim, I hate the game. I want this game to be great, but Bethesda appears to be going downhill. Skyrim is dumbed down and casualized to all hell, and now they are making an MMO. Here's the problem with an MMO, in TES you were the ONE hero! You were the savior of everything ever! Now you're walking around with hundreds of other ONE heroes in yet another single-targetting button-mashing grind-tacular WoW clone.


tl;dr Quit raging, I'm not trolling, and it isn't my fault the game is broken, deal with it.