Why Skyrim Is Bad

You make an interesting point... where can you spread your hatred for Skyrim other than on a forum created for people who love Skyrim? Well... pretty much anywhere actually. This really is the only place where it'd be inappropriate, and you brought it here. You sought out a place dedicated to a shared love for something, and tried to break it. For what other purpose could you have posted a detailed analysis of why something sucks, other than to deter others from it's enjoyment?

I never said Skyrim was good, or that you were stupid for thinking it's bad. I never once questioned or challenged your opinion or your points, because that isn't what I'm trying to argue. I'm arguing that whether consciously or not, the only two possible objectives for spreading this hatred for Bethesda and their game on a website solely dedicated to the love for that game, is to stir the hive for a reaction (AKA: trolling), or deter others from it's enjoyment (AKA: being an ass).

Stop making this stuff personal. Calling people childish and making fun of their clearly gorgeous haircuts is just unnecessary. I never said you were wrong, I simply said in a much more elaborate way: "You are an absolute ass for posting this here". If you don't like something, you don't go to a gathering for people who love it and try to ruin it for them. It's as simple as that!


And don't try to hide behind "I was looking for an educated debate". You were insulting and generic in your spite, and your points were highly subjective, factors an EDUCATED contention would be tactfully void of.

To each their own. I see no problem with you hating the game. I love the game, otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum. I think it could've been better, but that generalization can be made about every product that comes out. You just happen to be an unsatisfied customer. Nothing wrong with that.

My question: Why would you join a community of Skyrim lovers if you hate the game so much? That's like me joining a Microsoft tech party just to preach about Linux. Was it just to voice your frustration with the game or rile us up?

Maybe your just playing the game wrong. Because ive seen tons of dungeon varity, yes it all falls under the same nordic premise but i mean thats what they said they wanted to do with the game. Also, you dont have to use the best armor in the game you can completely ignore it. The thing that makes Skyrim great is YOU play the way YOU want to play. Either by makeing the game incredibly difficult or by going out and OPing it up. Also fast travel is'nt manditory.

Magey McFireball said:

There you go again, genius, being a little child not willing to accept that your brilliant little game might not be perfect.

Funny thing about being a fanboy such as yourself, if you were happy with your purchase, you wouldn't feel the need to argue. You wouldn't need to justify Skyrim if you were happy with it. Usually you are only here because there is a little niggling doubt in the back of your mind saying that you might not be having as much fun as you have convinced yourself you are and won't go away no matter how much you try to smack it with a wet rag of weak excuses.

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im not defending the game. im arguing your idea, the idea that coming into a forum and complaining about a game... you call me childish. the fact of the matter is you came in here to stir the pot, i clicked on this thread because like all the other ones that did the exact same thing your doing your begging for attention. thats what this is about. if you didnt like the game thats fine. there was a little bit there where i didnt like it. and skyrim by no means is the best game ever created. but the fact that you needed to come on to a skyrim forum and complain about a game blows my mind

Mikk said:

You make an interesting point... where can you spread your hatred for Skyrim other than on a forum created for people who love Skyrim? Well... pretty much anywhere actually. This really is the only place where it'd be inappropriate, and you brought it here. You sought out a place dedicated to a shared love for something, and tried to break it. For what other purpose could you have posted a detailed analysis of why something sucks, other than to deter others from it's enjoyment?

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Actually, I am looking for a reason to enjoy it. As an avid gamer I own it on PC and Xbox 360, payed for both copies. When you spend $120 on something and it doesn't live up to that huge amount of hype it got, I just want someone to prove me wrong. When I accept a quest to join the Stormcloaks, and it is just walk half an hour, kill one ice wraith, and fast travel back, I get pretty bored and down. If Skyrim really is deserving of all it's hype, then surely someone can say "This quest here is really fun!" or "This one is awesome!" and everything would be fine.

Mikk said:

I never said Skyrim was good, or that you were stupid for thinking it's bad. I never once questioned or challenged your opinion or your points, because that isn't what I'm trying to argue. I'm arguing that whether consciously or not, the only two possible objectives for spreading this hatred for Bethesda and their game on a website solely dedicated to the love for that game, is to stir the hive for a reaction (AKA: trolling), or deter others from it's enjoyment (AKA: being an ass).

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Just like with this Meta person, you are acting like a child, and attacking the person rather than the idea. I do notice and appreciate you are being much more mature about this, but still. Also, this is not dedicated to the love of the game, it is dedicated to the discussion of the game. If this website was only about how great it was, there wouldn't be an entire help section for people to go to when their game decides to collapse in on itself.

Mikk said:

Stop making this stuff personal. Calling people childish and making fun of their clearly gorgeous haircuts is just unnecessary. I never said you were wrong, I simply said in a much more elaborate way: "You are an absolute ass for posting this here". If you don't like something, you don't go to a gathering for people who love it and try to ruin it for them. It's as simple as that!


And don't try to hide behind "I was looking for an educated debate". You were insulting and generic in your spite, and your points were highly subjective, factors an EDUCATED contention would be tactfully void of.

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ur mom

For an obvious troll your post was too long... That confuses the ppl who actually take the time & respond to you.

Mrgusty said:

Maybe your just playing the game wrong. Because ive seen tons of dungeon varity, yes it all falls under the same nordic premise but i mean thats what they said they wanted to do with the game. Also, you dont have to use the best armor in the game you can completely ignore it. The thing that makes Skyrim great is YOU play the way YOU want to play. Either by makeing the game incredibly difficult or by going out and OPing it up. Also fast travel is'nt manditory.

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Playing the game wrong? What on Earth...

I heard that exact same thing when I questioned Mass Effect 3, TOR, even Diablo. Every single time I had the same response.

If the game doesn't teach me how to play the game properly within the boundaries of the game, it is not my fault I am playing it 'wrong.' If this game allows something to happen, like actually paying attention to the bland scenery or crafting completely game-breaking armor, and it doesn't stop it or say otherwise, it's the game's own fault.

The entire game falls flat because of something it allows to happen, and it isn't the players fault that they did it. If I have to go on the internet for people to tell me to admire how nice things look or how interesting the story is, then the game clearly messed up.

Punz said:

To each their own. I see no problem with you hating the game. I love the game, otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum. I think it could've been better, but that generalization can be made about every product that comes out. You just happen to be an unsatisfied customer. Nothing wrong with that.

My question: Why would you join a community of Skyrim lovers if you hate the game so much? That's like me joining a Microsoft tech party just to preach about Linux. Was it just to voice your frustration with the game or rile us up?

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Well, a few reasons.

1) I came on hear a while ago to basically discuss the game. When I did enjoy it for that first short while, I joined these forums to discuss the game.

2) These are the forums dedicated to the discussion of the game, and I am discussing the game, whether my opinion of it is good or bad doesn't affect where I state it.

I respect Magey McFireball 100% and agree. Don't get me wrong there are some points about this game but I was like nice, this workes but for the majority part it didn't. I feel like instead of bashing him, take a note and ask yourself IF the game was his way would it hinder your gameplay or make it better. or nothing at all. As far as the term "trolling", I personal think ppl have too much times on their hands to make up words for a person who is doing the same thing ppl like me and other older games did back in the golden days of video games except its not written on paper in letter form to be sent to the game company or to a game magazine in which we can we all can see the complaint. WWE 12 for example, was the same way ya know....taking moves out the game and putting restrictions on who you can pick online once again among other things. Developers these day sworry more about deadlines, and money more than a solid product where at least 95% of gamers are happy. Why the hell is Bethesda doing a online game instead of "fixing" Skyrim...MONEY. Why was Skyrim even allowed to come out when it did when it was seriously bugged....DEADLINES. My point is this, if we can't express what we like AND DISLIKE with PASSION about OUR games we spend money on, these developers would never know how we truly feel. So what if others get discouraged about buying a game because someone posted a dislike here and there....why get upset? I'm pretty sure there is a game out there YOU will do the same to.

Magey McFireball said:

Well, a few reasons.

1) I came on hear a while ago to basically discuss the game. When I did enjoy it for that first short while, I joined these forums to discuss the game.

2) These are the forums dedicated to the discussion of the game, and I am discussing the game, whether my opinion of it is good or bad doesn't affect where I state it.

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Fair enough. Sorry you hate it so much. Hope you find a better RPG in the future.

Punz said:

Fair enough. Sorry you hate it so much. Hope you find a better RPG in the future.

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Thank you, but don't get me wrong. I don't really 'hate' it, I just feel it isn't deserving of all the praise it's getting when it just feels average.

The game doesnt have to teach you anything other than the basic controls that are needed to play the game, and it does a pretty good job at doing that through quests. Also another point you brought up about the "combat feeling shallow" I dont see where your coming from with this. While the combat is not perfect by any means and i have had a few attacks that felt like they simply passed through the enemy rather than hit him. Most of the time ive actually felt like the attacks connect. While I do see where your coming from on some points. You have to look at the game as a whole. It doesnt just focus on one tiny thing and make it amazing it tries to cover everything. And for what they did I think its pretty damn good.

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Okay, I laughed. Well played

Look, if you're looking for people to prove you wrong and give you a reason to like the game... just for future reference... maybe, mention that? And definitely don't be so aggressive in your approach. The initial "Skyrim is bad" followed by angry complaints and attacks on Bethesda don't in any way open the discussion for healthy idea-swapping. Everything about your approach screams "GET RILED, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT'S WHAT!"

And yeah, this place is for the discussion of Skyrim, but it's CLEARLY made for positive discussion involving people who love the game. You're basically exploiting a lapse in definition, saying "you didn't say what KIIIND of discussion! Muahahah!", which is quite childish in itself

I actually totally agree with you on your point about the game needing to teach it's players how to play within the game. So uh... y'know, good to have some middle ground there.

Ill Wil, trolling has nothing to do with telling a company why their game failed. If Magey wanted to send a letter to Bethesda with suggestions for improvement, I'd not only care less, I'd actually be supportive. I actually agree with a lot of his initial points.

But we aren't Bethesda. The creator of this website has nothing to do with Bethesda. We're just people who like something, and you're coming to our gathering to tell us why it sucks. That aint nice.

Mrgusty said:

The game doesnt have to teach you anything other than the basic controls that are needed to play the game, and it does a pretty good job at doing that through quests. Also another point you brought up about the "combat feeling shallow" I dont see where your coming from with this. While the combat is not perfect by any means and i have had a few attacks that felt like they simply passed through the enemy rather than hit him. Most of the time ive actually felt like the attacks connect. While I do see where your coming from on some points. You have to look at the game as a whole. It doesnt just focus on one tiny thing and make it amazing it tries to cover everything. And for what they did I think its pretty damn good.

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Allow me to address your points individually.

If the game doesn't need to teach you anything other than the basic controls, then you really shouldn't be able to play the game wrong. If that is true, then I am not playing the game wrong, I just have a higher standard than you. If that is not true, then the game should have done a better job teaching how to play it.

The combat feels shallow in the way that there isn't much to it. You end up up spamming the left and right attack buttons with the occasional heal. Just smack the enemy with whatever weapon you have, it doesn't make a real difference, until they fall over.

I am looking at the game as a whole, which is why I put it down as a whole rather than just avoiding specific spots. Just ignoring or fixing certain parts of a game can't fix an ultimately broken game.

Mikk said:

Okay, I laughed. Well played

Look, if you're looking for people to prove you wrong and give you a reason to like the game... just for future reference... maybe, mention that? And definitely don't be so aggressive in your approach. The initial "Skyrim is bad" followed by angry complaints and attacks on Bethesda don't in any way open the discussion for healthy idea-swapping. Everything about your approach screams "GET RILED, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT'S WHAT!"

And yeah, this place is for the discussion of Skyrim, but it's CLEARLY made for positive discussion involving people who love the game. You're basically exploiting a lapse in definition, saying "you didn't say what KIIIND of discussion! Muahahah!", which is quite childish in itself

I actually totally agree with you on your point about the game needing to teach it's players how to play within the game. So uh... y'know, good to have some middle ground there.

Ill Wil, trolling has nothing to do with telling a company why their game failed. If Magey wanted to send a letter to Bethesda with suggestions for improvement, I'd not only care less, I'd actually be supportive. I actually agree with a lot of his initial points.

But we aren't Bethesda. The creator of this website has nothing to do with Bethesda. We're just people who like something, and you're coming to our gathering to tell us why it sucks. That aint nice.

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Well, as much as I appreciate actually thinking out what you're saying rather than, say, "ur just trying to get attention" I still feel this belongs here. Like I said before, whether my opinion is good or bad shouldn't affect where I say it. If you have a certain political view, you don't just suppress them when you are around a bunch of people in a different party.

well I mean with most games involving melee weapons thats what you do. Whack things until they die.
And do you mean to tell me that "The mind of a Madman" Quest is bland? or any of the dark brotherhood quests? While most of your arguements are opinion based I cant argue wether they are right or wrong. While i disagree with your 'review' I do respect it. And hope you find beter RPG games in the future.

All in all while were still arguing this point bethesda is counting out their sweet coin. if you dont like it then thats alright man. nobody is going to shove the game down your throat. It is your opinion and your right to not like the game. all in all i do respect you for coming in here and voicing your opinion and sticking to it. if you dont like it thats great. but im sure you can still help people who have questions about the game. good luck in finding another rpg or another game that you might be interested in. i hope you stick around

Mrgusty said:

well I mean with most games involving melee weapons thats what you do. Whack things until they die.
And do you mean to tell me that "The mind of a Madman" Quest is bland? or any of the dark brotherhood quests? While most of your arguements are opinion based I cant argue wether they are right or wrong. While i disagree with your 'review' I do respect it. And hope you find beter RPG games in the future.

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Well, with the whole 'Whack things until they die' argument there are different ways to go about it. There is the Skyrim method of mashing buttons until the enemy just falls over dead.

Dark Messiah Might and Magic, albeit a lacking game, had some great combat. The weapons felt like they really hit, and enemies actually reacted as if they were hit. If your head is whacked with a wooden staff or a sword or a mace, you stagger and even fall over dead, not just have a little bit of blood come out of nowhere and continue about your business. :/

I don't remember that quest, but that is probably a sign it's bland.

and thank you.