Why Skyrim Is Bad

- The world has no variety whatsoever. When you finish the intro sequence and escape from the dragon, that very first view you get of Skyrim... that's ALL you are going to see for the rest of the time you play the game.

- The combat system is shallow. All the melee weapons feel exactly (aside from the obvious weight/speed difference between a dagger and a hammer) the same. The monsters in the game barely react to your hits, each weapon type only has a couple moves and a majority of the time you will simply be spamming the same one because otherwise your stamina will go to sh!t and so will your damage output. There is absolutely zero reason to use one weapon type over another. It's all the same sh!t. Each hit feels week and unsatisfying, like you're fighting against air.

- The story is extremely bland and there are 0 interesting NPCs/quest lines. Oblivion AT LEAST had the Dark Brotherhood and a couple of other awesome quests.

-The dungeons all feel exactly the same, and are only slightly better than Oblivion's.

- Worst itemization of any RPG game ever. Every single item you find throughout the world is completely worthless. There are no interesting affixes on the weapons and they all look bland as hell.

I hyped the hell out of this game ever since Bethesda even released a name for it. I had the app on my phone that counted down the days and I was at the door at midnight waiting for my copy.

I played this for less than 3 weeks and I have not touched it until this morning. I'm level 24 with the best armor and I can craft the best weapons in the game. I put on the hardest difficulty and I'm still slaughtering everybody. The Dragon fights are boring after the 15th time fighting one and the quests are so god awful and easy, way points telling you exactly where you go and what you do.

What happened to the NPCs giving you a vague description of where to go? So when you're doing a quest you have to remember to keep your eyes open and use the area to find who/what you're looking for.

What happened to the mix and matching your armor pieces, looking for the 1 of the 3 daedric helms to perfect your armor set?

What happened to actually traveling on foot and taking a silt strider or boat and not just opening up the map, fast traveling and bam being at the city.

What happened to large open cities that were under constant bandit attack?

What happened to spears?

Where did this casualization come from?

Bethesda has been lazy for a while, providing the basic framework for something that is really crap until the community starts piling on the mods. This game doesn't deserve the GOTY awards it gets, the community does. I just don't understand how anyone can still buy Bethesda's crap in 2012. Skyrim is -barely- an RPG. They are very, very obviously going after the CoD crowd and all their games have gotten progressively more dumbed down with each successive entry. Bethesda is one of the worst companies right now, and if their new steampunk RPG doesn't pull them out of this rut then they are going to be on the chopping block just like Blizzard and Bioware, and just like Blizzard and Bioware, I'm abandoning ship before it fully sinks and I go down with it.

How did you get a computer into the insane asylum?

Buffington Battle-Born said:

How did you get a computer into the insane asylum?

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Explain.

Actually, Skyrim is one of the most lively TES games so far. And I was no fan of the series, believe me, since Morrowind, for the reasons you cited...Skyrim though, is different.

Had some of the best times and the deepest immersion with some of the guild story lines..It's true there's a postpartum thing goin off after you finish the quests..but nothing lasts forever I guess.

Magey McFireball said:

Explain.

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Do I have to get the puppets and explain it? You're crazy because you don't like skyrim, and you're on the Skyrim Forums!

Bethesda put out a game; you bought it. That's it. They owe nothing more than the product you paid for, which is exactly what you received. You wouldn't buy a bagel and ask for your money back because it turns out you don't really like bagels. You were sold a game, not a satisfaction guarantee.

And the only reason you could be posting on a forum filled with Skyrim fans to bitch about Skyrim and it's creators with empty, generalised, opinion-based aggression is to stir the hive and/or upset the community by deterring them from something they love.

You are a weak troll.

not again... everyone leave him alone.

Mikk said:

Bethesda put out a game; you bought it. That's it. They owe nothing more than the product you paid for, which is exactly what you received. You wouldn't buy a bagel and ask for your money back because it turns out you don't really like bagels. You were sold a game, not a satisfaction guarantee.

And the only reason you could be posting on a forum filled with Skyrim fans to bitch about Skyrim and it's creators with empty, generalised, opinion-based aggression is to stir the hive and/or upset the community by deterring them from something they love.

You are a weak troll.

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nothing more needs to be said behind this post lol he summed up my thoughts EXACTLY!!

Is it fair to call someone a troll simply because the have a different point of view than you?

Maybe not. As a diehard fan who played until I bricked up my Xbox one day I can say that I liked Skyrim and ignored the Real World for weeks while I played it and the op does have some valid points. I never played the precursors to this game as i tend to like war type games ( and Diablo 1 &2 of course) so I can't compare any of those.

But Skyrim does have it's shortcomings, I agree. After a certain level,fighting is no challenge at all. Looting has little value and the entertainment value seems to go down as you progress. After killing so many pretty little sex-starved fish wives for the Brotherhood, what exactly is the point?

Ditto for many other quests.

And dragons... Pathetically easy to kill, as is everyone and everything else.

So instead of insulting people who express their views why not debate these views instead.

Because people like that is so easy.. Although they would never admit it...

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Hear hear. People often confuse someone being "wrong" with having opinions different to their own. Avoiding a debate altogether by taking an unfounded high ground is worse than stating an opinion that goes against the grain while explaining yourself and giving reasons. Skyrim is flawed, quite terribly in some areas. I'm trying out an evil play through at the moment, and the tendency to pander to the usual good and heroic role along the vast majority of quest lines is grating. +1 for Paladins -1 for Dark Knights. An "open world" that allows you to play anyway you want. As long as you're willing to help everyone else. Why can't I bully people into giving me information, or threaten them if they refuse to cooperate? Sure they can lie to me if they want, should I choose to do these things, but don't make me say "Yes, I would love to help you do the things I have no interest in to progress further into this fort/dungeon." p.s. I don't find the option of just killing everyone a valid excuse for the lack of evil decisions available.

Perhaps take your own advice?

Magey McFireball said:

From a long while of playing WoW I have learned that you can't always rely on the game to shove some fun in your face and take it upon yourself. If you are at the point where you need to spice things up, give yourself a challenge. Maybe try to complete a quest with no clothes on, or considering you're a warrior/soldier type; try to complete a quest line for a completely different archetype. Wear clunky plate armor as a Nightingale, just for the fun of it.

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Part of the reason you don't find the joy in the game is because you're:

Magey McFireball said:

... level 24 with the best armor and I can craft the best weapons in the game. I put on the hardest difficulty and I'm still slaughtering everybody...

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So again, take your own advice.

Slow down, progress through the game naturally, don't spam skills/prods, roleplay a bit.

But hey, if you're already over the deep end, move on.

Jeff the DragonBorn said:

Is it fair to call someone a troll simply because the have a different point of view than you?

Maybe not. As a diehard fan who played until I bricked up my Xbox one day I can say that I liked Skyrim and ignored the Real World for weeks while I played it and the op does have some valid points. I never played the precursors to this game as i tend to like war type games ( and Diablo 1 &2 of course) so I can't compare any of those.

But Skyrim does have it's shortcomings, I agree. After a certain level,fighting is no challenge at all. Looting has little value and the entertainment value seems to go down as you progress. After killing so many pretty little sex-starved fish wives for the Brotherhood, what exactly is the point?

Ditto for many other quests.

And dragons... Pathetically easy to kill, as is everyone and everything else.

So instead of insulting people who express their views why not debate these views instead.

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Time, place and context are all VERY relevant factors to be considered when voicing one's opinion. He wasn't proposing a debate, he was listing the reasons he thinks Skyrim is crap and Bethesda is lazy. He was also doing so in a particularly inappropriate place, where the only two possible contentions are to annoy and upset the fans who disagree, or ruin the experience for any who are deterred by his opinions.

This is comparable to an atheist entering a church and telling everyone to gather around and listen to why their faith is flawed and plopsty. Either he'll spark anger, or ruin hope, and whether or not his opinions are relevant, within his right to have, or even valid, trying to taunt others into becoming angry or upset is the very definition of "trolling".

Complaining about some flaws in the game is one thing, but this is another. I might visit a movie convention and mention that I didn't like a particular actor or scene, but I wouldn't march around telling all the fans my list of reasons that the movie sucked and how bad the creators were. It's just not nice.

Mikk said:

Time, place and context are all VERY relevant factors to be considered when voicing one's opinion. He wasn't proposing a debate, he was listing the reasons he thinks Skyrim is crap and Bethesda is lazy. He was also doing so in a particularly inappropriate place, where the only two possible contentions are to annoy and upset the fans who disagree, or ruin the experience for any who are deterred by his opinions.

This is comparable to an atheist entering a church and telling everyone to gather around and listen to why their faith is flawed and plopsty. Either he'll spark anger, or ruin hope, and whether or not his opinions are relevant, within his right to have, or even valid, trying to taunt others into becoming angry or upset is the very definition of "trolling".

Complaining about flaws in the game is one thing, but this is another. I might visit a movie convention and mention that I didn't like a particular actor or scene, but I wouldn't march around telling all the fans my list of reasons that the movie sucked and how bad the creators were. It's just not nice.

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Surely it's entirely your right to tell him why he's wrong, rather than denying him the right to voice his opinion at all? What you're saying doesn't really make sense. You can flip it to this: a Jewish person shouldn't challenge a group of anti-semites because their opinion may upset them or make them question whether their hatred of the Jews has any founding.

p.s. the idea of a forum is primarily to provide an area in which to debate. By posting you are usually beginning a debate, whether or not you explicitly say so.

Obvious troll is obvious

Josh Gilboy said:

Surely it's entirely your right to tell him why he's wrong, rather than denying him the right to voice his opinion at all? What you're saying doesn't really make sense. You can flip it to this: a Jewish person shouldn't challenge a group of anti-semites because their opinion may upset them or make them question whether their hatred of the Jews has any founding.

p.s. the idea of a forum is primarily to provide an area in which to debate. By posting you are usually beginning a debate, whether or not you explicitly say so.

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The purpose of this forum is to provide a means for a fan-based community to discuss the game they love. If, within this community, they wish to debate flaws and shortcomings with the game, sure! This ISN'T what Magey Mcfireball has done. He's simply waltzed into a room set aside for Skyrim followers and tried to convince them all that their game and it's company are crappy.

Trying to relate a fan-based community with a racist hate-group is... well, they're incomparable. Nobody is hurt by what we follow. This is actually more comparable to an anti-semite entering a Jewish household and telling everybody within why their faith sucks. Sure, the anti-semite is well within his RIGHT to voice such opinions, but doing so INSIDE a Jewish household, TO Jewish people, is just being a nasty troll.

Mikk said:

The purpose of this forum is to provide a means for a fan-based community to discuss the game they love. If, within this community, they wish to debate flaws and shortcomings with the game, sure! This ISN'T what Magey Mcfireball has done. He's simply waltzed into a room set aside for Skyrim followers and tried to convince them all that their game and it's company are crappy.

Trying to relate a fan-based community with a racist hate-group is... well, they're incomparable. Nobody is hurt by what we follow. This is actually more comparable to an anti-semite entering a Jewish household and telling everybody within why their faith sucks. Sure, the anti-semite is well within his RIGHT to voice such opinions, but doing so INSIDE a Jewish household, TO Jewish people, is just being a nasty troll.

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I agree with what you say, I used an extreme example (yours is much more apt) and his opinions are controversial due to the place he has voiced them in. I still don't see an issue with saying things that produce an angry response. It's his right to kick the hornet's nest, and the hornet's duty to bite back with why his opinions can be discredited. It's obvious he's saying bad things about Skyrim to people who love it. Defend the game if you care about what he's saying. Many of the OP's points are fairly straightforward to discredit. Labeling a troll before you have given your reasoning isn't fair. If someone persists in blindly spewing the same horrible things after you've tried to make them see reason then they need ignoring/banning, that's fair. Not before this, however.

WOW how did the Jews become involved in this?

As a "free" forum is the op WRONG for pointing out his feelings towards flaws? No one ever bought a new car and one day in the Wal-Mart parking lot someone asks you how you like it? If you are not happy what is your first choice of descriptions when asked your feelings with the car?

So he posts what he feels is wrong.

Doesn't EVERY psychologist say LET THE ANGER OUT?

Maybe he is better now...??? Maybe we just stopped him from going POSTAL in his workplace or at Bethesda ?

And for real, there were so many glitches during my first gameplay that I was disappointed at times when I couldn't complete missions etc.

Skyrim is ALOT better than oblivion, though the cities are bland....the combat is MUCH better. but as mentioned item variety is very low. but i wont say EVERYTHING looks bland, ghostblade is cool looking. volundrung ETC...my problem is the damned glitches. so many obvious huge glitchs and every patch seems to fix things such as the "Surface of the water" lolwut? i didnt even know that was a glitch. just so many TINY glitchs they are willing to fix but allow game breaking((for some)) glitchs still roam. great artifacts ruined. such as the rueful axe and its unusable speed. it swings at literally the speed of a glacier. and ebony blade is fubar'd to hell so if anything my complaints is lack of glitch fixing.