Raijin
Hey guys, I was going to another page and somehow ended up here and... couldn't resist.
Regrettably, I must agree with Dagmar on her understanding of the Empire. I've come to the same conclusions on this one thing.
Really hard to have sympathy for Ulfric when he answers a personal challenge from fellow Jarl by sending his army instead of answering himself. And I know the quests works both ways but he sends his army anyways.
Kind of a funny story. When I first started playing Skyrim, I killed Thalmor left and right. Then, Jarl B and his court attacked me whenever I would walk into the castle. So, I ran to Windhelm and thought I was in the right place. Found out later that they were mad because I "murdered the Thalmor". However if the Thalmor attack you first, you're good. And if you're in the Legion, they will assist you against the Thalmor.
Anyways, in Windhelm I heard this line about, "Running a sword thru Jarl B's gullet...". Now... I'll be honest here. I've never really had any special affection for the Empire. Jarl B however is a VERY GOOD MAN who is only interested in saving his people. However, I, even as a Thalmor, could understand Whiterun's position. Because he is not aligned with the Empire until later when Ulfric puts a sword to his throat, he doesn't bother anyone but doesn't want Ulfric forcing his "concept of freedom" on him and his people. Think about it.
If Ulfric really ~ TRULY ~ was a man whose hearts beats for freedom, THEN WHY INVADE MARKARTH? WHY INVADE WHITERUN? (Dossier says during Markarth incident he was cooperative with the Thalmor) He wants the Empire out so bad, he wants Skyrim free of what he calls, "Imperial Oppression", but he had no RESPECT for other independent parties. Gen Tullius at least, hehehe AT LEAST in the VERY LEAST asks PERMISSION to enter Whiterun.
Tell me more about how Ulfric is going to free Skyrim from Oppression.
And another thing dude ~ Based on some of your responses, I don't think you have any place accusing me of lacking "common-sense". ESPECIALLY if you're not willing to acknowledge how Ulfric's machine is tearing Skyrim apart, destroying families and ruining a country that is in good shape because of the Empire... oddly enough.
Another thing, East Empire is run by the Empire, albeit not directly. It's more of a service supporting the Empire. However, Morrowind, which is trying to rebuild, appears to be EXTREMELY dependent on it, among other Provinces. However, the war with Ulfric, problems with pirates (Stormcloak pirates maybe
) is driving up prices. IF Skyrim secedes, you can kiss it all good bye. Ulfric won't allow anything Imperial to operate safely in Skyrim's waters because of it's close affiliation with the Empire. No escorts, no base in Skyrim will be welcomed, many will suffer. And there may be some alternatives, however a few of them are thick with the pirates and could extort their customers.
Also, what Dagmar was saying about Ulfric... ties in with my point up above there, WHERE WAS THE OLIVE BRANCH? Hmmm? Where was the respect for the High King's position of authority? High King Torygg was NEVER presented with an OFFICIAL PETITION for the Liberation of Skyrim from the Empire ~ Even though the 'kid' looked up to Ulfric because he was in over his head.
High King Torygg was NEVER given a chance to change his mind, he was never offered any Ultimatum or any type of Formal Discussion about Skyrim's "Liberation" from the Empire. Ulfric Legally ASSASSINATED Torygg to get him out of the way so he might have a chance at the Throne of Skyrim. So instead of trying to help his friend, Ulfric butchered him in front of his wife for his own sick ambition.
Seriously. Even THE DAMN THALMOR gave the Emperor a petition for the WGC and had counsel with him. They showed that much respect, they didn't try and weasel their way out of their official responsibilities. We didn't like our losses in Cyrodil but we manned up and signed the GD treaty, just like the Empire had to do.
Ulfric is web spinner and NO ONE can ever trust him again.
And one last point. I DO NOT give a DAMN about the Empire banning the worship of Talos when you have "people" who claim to worship Talos, to be fighting in HIS NAME who are going around doing pl*ps like this?
You think TALOS would APPROVE of Ulfric accepting or requesting a duel with Jarl B and then sending his fl*ffing army to answer it instead of showing up HIMSELF? Jarl B was in Plate Armor, HEAVY DUTY COMBAT ARMOR man. He was not fl*ffing around and expected to meet Ulfric man to man. You know, in the traditional "Nord Fashion" or some kind of line Ulfric fed Torygg. But instead, the cowardly POS sends his army.
OMG. And this is why I dis-approve of the Thalmor having any dealings with Ulfric, it makes us look like pl*ps. I would wager Ulfric is probably more evil than the Thalmor. If you can imagine what that would be like.
Ulfric is crazy and is a Danger to the free world. Seeing how his is a Charismatic cause, anyone who follows him, is like him. More Dangerous than us really. The Thalmor are upfront about who we are and make no apology for it or try and pretend we're something we're not.
People at least know where they stand with us, even if it's
beneath.
