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Siding with the vampires is a good choice.

Discussion in 'Dawnguard' started by Raijin, Aug 6, 2014.

  1. The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

    The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
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    It's not my moral superiority you need to worry about, but my martial superiority. There are alternatives to the use of "cattle" as it is cruelly depicted, and continued evil will result in me draining the magic from your body so that you can't turn invisible and run before I force you to your knees and execute you.
     
  2. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    Ah! A man of conviction.. But all men have their price.... their weaknesses... their desires... I will find them. I will use them. And you will succumb. You are not the first hero. Nay, not even the first Dragonborn. There are some that even the Volkahir fear. The Dawnguard need not consider themselves amongst that number.
     
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  3. The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

    The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
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    I look forward to it ;)
     
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    Those of you saying lions and wolves are evil because they kill are missing a massive point. Vampires are self conscious and aware of right and wrong and what a moral code is. Wolves and lions do not have the same level of consciousness. When they kill, they kill to survive. A human or vampire could choose not to kill innocents. The argument you are making is fundamentally flawed.
     
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    Unless you are saying vampires are "dumb animals" who don't know better, of course ;)
     
  6. T. Rakinson

    T. Rakinson A Brute among Beasts

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    Feral vampires are comparable to animals. Their only concern is survival, not moral code. That's just the way Bal made them. Can carnivorous creatures not be considered evil by being reliant on the death of many other animals? Animals that may never harm another living creature. One might argue that their reliance on their prey is parasitical in nature. The same could be said for vampires.

    If the vampire has no choice; to feed on an innocent of their own free will, or after their starvation has driven them to madness, what should they do? Either way, their survival is ensured, at the expense of their victim. There may always be a choice, but neither of them has to have positive consequences. Understanding right or wrong is not always a good thing.

    ... Sorry, I went off topic, and forgot the point I was trying to make. I eat meat, and don't find it evil. In fact, I doubt humanity would be in its current state if we were not Omnivorous.
     
  7. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    That is true, but, there is a codicil there. You have not defined "innocent" and, personally, I do not believe that anyone is innocent. My moral code does not include that notion (with the exception of a newborn), nor that sentient life is more valuable of more viable than any animal, monster or creature, therefore, a vampire feeding is not an evil act, only one that is inconvenient for the victim of that feeding.
     
  8. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    True. We'd probably be healthier and with less of an obesity problem.
     
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    You make good points! If it comes down to survival (ie, feeding or starvation) is it still an evil? I would personally say yes, as humans are conditioned and taught that human life is sacred. But saying that, are cannibal tribes evil?

    One thing I would add is that if one is turned against their will, it would be unfair to label them as evil. They did not choose to be placed in such a situation, and 99% would value self preservation higher than the life of a stranger. But if someone actively seeks out and chooses Vampirism, they are fully aware of what the consequences of that choice are, and still willingly go forth

    This is actually quite a complex and grey matter. I've never chosen the Vamp quest line as I struggle to play as an "evil" character, and Vampires are what one would generally consider to be evil. However, it remains a very interesting discussion.
     
  10. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    You were taught that human life is "sacred", really? I was taught that mankind are like tissues. Soft and disposable. Seriously, IMO, there is absolutely nothing sacred about human life. The planet would be better off without us. Of course, I was brought up by a bunch of self-loathing, suicidal hippies, but, hey, whatja gonna do.
     
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    When you have two little kids, you tend to see why human life is very highly valued.

    Also, with the utmost of respect to your upbringing, to claim human life isn't something to be highly valued is extremely disturbing.
     
  12. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    I have two grown daughters. Their lives, sure, but everybody else?
     
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    First of all, it is scientifically proved that humans are so smart because of our diet.

    Secondly, if my only way of surviving was to kill another human, unless that other human was someone I love, I would do it. Human lives aren't as highly valued as most people picture them. I mean, sure, most people have families and friends who'll miss them, but can you say the world will miss them?
    If there's a king who was good enough at his job as to grant the welfare of his people, would you take him out of his trhone because he killed a couple man? Of course you wouldn't, because it would perjudicate you.

    So basically, what I'm trying to say is, human's lives are valuable depending on who you ask.

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  14. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    All I know is that nobody would miss me were I gone, so why would I care about anybody else.
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    Best. Quote. Ever.



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    In every Skyrim playthrough I have been an enemy of the Daedra. Therefore I never indulge in the company or practices of those associated with Daedric beings.
    Since the vampires are aligned with the maligant Daedric prince Molag Bal, I am obligated to hunt them all down.

    That, and the fact that they attack villages, is why I have vowed to aid the Dawnguard in ridding Skyrim of the vampire plague. The Dawnguard stands for the preservation of the people of Skyrim from the vampire threat. I understand that the vampires must feed off the humans to survive, but I suppose it is then a matter of who will win the quest for survival.

    Plus, I really dislike Harkon for mistreating the fair Serana.
     
  17. Daelon DuLac

    Daelon DuLac How do you backstab a Dragon?

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    You realize that Serana is a vampire,yes? Survival of the fittest is what I think and, if the vamps are being led by me then their the fittest and the cattle deserve to be meat. Besides, Serana is boring as a human. :)
     
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    I agree. Just because I worship nocturnal instead of stendar doesnt mean Im some monster. I dont like the vigilants. The only reason I dont play vamps is because It doesnt fit my playstyle of needing a lot of stamina for my stealth archer assassin. Im going to side with the volkihar on a new char one day tho just to do it.
     
  19. kenia153

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    When you join the Dawnguard you're pretty much forced to side with the vampires anyway. So in a sense it doesn't matter which you choose.
    However, I have to say that I wish I could just choose to kill Serana as soon as she led me to her home. I don't care for vampires and the whole issue would be quickly settled if you just ended her. :/ though I suppose it would shorten the quest quite a bit. Still, i'd like to have the option for my character who doesn't give a plops if she finds a pretty looking vamp in a tomb with her boobs out and a sultry voice. Instead, Besthesda just forces your character to bond with her. Because Serana.
     

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