Petition : Ban "Child Killing on Skyrim" posts

[Skullrattla]

Nothing funny about it. Please ban it from here for better quality content on these forums.

Please note the poll question is the opposite of the thread's title (ban, allow)

 

[hexperiment]

The official Skyrim forum and probably other Skyrim forums re-enforces this. I think it would be better to keep things open. It's a gaming debate that some people like to participate it. You can just ignore the threads that you don't like.

 

[Skullrattla]

well, i am unable to refrain from severely flaming those who do this...

 

[Couthful]

Have some issues with censorship even if it is on a privately owned message board. One reason I prefer this forum over others is because they allow a great deal of freedom while posting. Other forums, especially the official one, become bias over time since they filter out posts that they don't like or they perceive as a negative to sales. For a brand new player thinking about playing Skyrim this forum is better for honesty and range of opinion, lets admit nothing is perfect and calling out faults for what they are is not wrong.

While I'm not the type of role player who would run around killing every kid in Skyrim I can see why some people complain about not being able to. Children are marked as essential and immune to all attacks, this is a negative for 2 reasons:

1. if they witness a crime they can eventually become the last witness and you cannot kill them.
2. it breaks immersion seeing NPCs walk around and not interact the same way as EVERY other NPC in the game.


Bethesda should have added them the same as ALL other NPCs because beyond real life morale issues there really isn't a good excuse to explain why they are immune. Perhaps they feel you can kill hundreds of adults, wildlife, and monsters but one child is too much? Killing any human (or in the TES universe any race of humanoid) is equally bad in my opinion, no matter the age, however this is just a video game.

 

[Rayven]

I thought I'd chime in on this.

I really despise censorship. I like to believe that we are all responsible for the words we type and say here or anywhere else. I do not live in some fantasy land where I think all people will adhere so some sense of civility. I have had cause to remove posts from this forum that were wantonly vulgar or were personal attacks on other members. We have had posts reported for "offensiveness". I take those reports on a case by case basis. I use the inbox to contact the poster of the material deemed offensive and talk to them about the content. Except for one case, I have always been met with someone who was happy to have the conversation with me and a resolution was achieved.

It shouldn't need to be stated, but I also despise crimes against children. I do not agree with the implementation of children in Skyrim. In my opinion, they are there (except in rare quest-appropriate places) to mock you and witness crime, otherwise they serve no other purpose. I would have preferred that they simply not be there at all. While a lack of children interrupts some sense of immersion, I don't think we'd be particularly inundated by posts lamenting their absence.

Despite their annoyance, I have never been moved to want to kill any of the children in Skyrim. I didn't know they were unkillable until I read it here. I also know people think differently than myself and while somewhere inside I was shocked to see some of the conversations about killing the children in Skyrim, I can't say I was "surprised". I also do not think that someone wanting to "kill" something in a game translates in any way to how they feel or what they do in their actual lives. If I believed otherwise, I would be in one of those Mom groups that wants to outlaw video games.

All this being said, the subjects of child abuse, rape and domestic violence are going to incite passionate remarks. I have asked some people to just "turn down the volume" on their posts especially pertaining to these topics. I feel we are capable of talking about any of these subjects, disagreeing on these subjects and fully exploring these subjects. I also feel we are capable of separating the content in a game from things in the real world. I would be disappointed if some sort of edict were put in place banning the discussion of anything. I have been very pleased with the fact that 5,000 of us can sit and chat, for the most part, without incident.

I look forward to seeing how more people in the community feel about this thread.

 

[Shew]

I happened across this thread on accident, and I feel that we can have open discussions here without "Flaming" and just like tv, or radio if you don't like a subject then change the channel. You have to enact some self-control and not flame someone for disagreeing with you, or your ideals. This is a game and a open internet forum about a game. All posters have the right to their own opinion its one of the greatest things about these forums. You don't have the right to attack each other. Make your case calmly, and intelligently and then resign yourself that its still someone else's perogative to disagree.

 

[The Barefoot Nord]

Any discussion of this nature should be banned. Want to hurt kids in Skyrim, keep it to yourself I say.

Want to hurt kids outside of Skyrim and you should be shot. Twice.

 

[Skullrattla]

OK, I was not aware that they report crimes, as I have better things to do....

My main point is that most of the "Child killing in Skyrim" posts I've seen on the internet was from people who actually find it amusing, and is just another sign of a degenerate society. These guys want another FPS gore game where they can run around satisfying their psychopathic tendencies. . . Nothing funny or intelligent there at all. The barrage of violence in the media has made people numb.

Why can't i kill the children, I want to kill every living thing, especially the easy ones!!!

 

[Skullrattla]

BTW, I started this thread before noting that the Admin has themselves posted about a child killing mod, so I guess he/she doesn't feel it's a problem... Not a problem here either, I'll just add unwanted posters to my ignore list....

 

[Skullrattla]

2. it breaks immersion seeing NPCs walk around and not interact the same way as EVERY other NPC in the game.

I don't get this, they are kids, sure they interact differently, and they add a lot of life to these dreary towns. You can actually play with them which makes a refreshing change from the constant slaughter.

 

[Chryss]

In my opinion, there should be a misc objective with the kids, especially the one in Whiterun who taunts us at every turn. "I'm not afraid of you" blah blah blah. There should be a favor to do for them to change the dialogue. I think that would make them more tolerable. Seriously, she even followed me into my house and taunted me til she was done with her rant and left....finally!

For example, there is a mage that stands next to the Steward in Solitude, she is very nasty when you first interact with her, but after doing a task for her, she is nice and happy to see you. Perhaps if Bethesda implemented something like that it would avoid issues with the children.

Bottom line is, Bethesda didn't think it through, the children are there for realism, give them a purpose, let us do something for them, find their favorite toy stolen by the Falmer or something.

OK Rant over...thanks for listening

 

[Ironclad]

Just report threads or posts you think are out of line, OP.

Just for balance; but why stop at the pixelated children? Is murder only offensive in this respect? Is creeping up behind someone and cutting their throat cool? Maybe they have.. children at home, maybe they might have surrendered.

 

[Jersey Dagmar]

As a mother, I'm not bothered whatsoever by people discussing the killing of children in a video game. Hell, I'd probably do it myself. There's a huge difference to me between pixels on tv/computer screen to a living breathing sentient being before me.

This is where learning to tell the difference between reality and fantasy comes into play. It's like that whole uproar of the little girl getting blow up in MW3. Guess what? Children die too. Yes, it's not easy to stomach. But, it happens.

I know that if I kill someone in a game, be it adult or child, that it won't cause me to commit the same act in real life. Why? Because I'm a sane person with morals who understands that it's only just a video game.

 

[Skullrattla]

In retrospect, I am wrong about banning posts , all posts should be considered individually....

Because I'm a sane person with morals who understands that it's only just a video game.

Yes, but a lot of people who play video games are not exactly sane people with morals, you don't get either from staying at home all the time playing video games. Just check most gaming forums.

The problem isn’t that some lone psycho is going to go out and kill children because of a game, it's more of a matter of taste on what kind of content people like to see here...

Where to draw the line indeed...

 

[Stone]

I know this is an old thread but this is my input.

I don't see any problem with anyone discussing the killing of children in a video game. As far as I'm concerned it's just a game and so effects no one or nothing. People should be able to speak freely about what they want whether it's a sensitive topic or other.

 

[Stryke]

Eh? If your not suppose to kill the kids why is the fluffing little plops in white run so annoying.........

 

[Opium_Bunny]

Honestly I don't see why it is ok to violently and graphically portray in slow motion the decapitation of another adult in a video game, versus...well sniping a kid from across the room. Video games are where people occupy a role that they would normally not likely to be doing in real life, just like some people like to be a thief and steal a million things from every house they go to...does not make them a thief in real life. Some people just like the option of killing a kid because it is considered taboo and they like to "break the rules" per say. It has nothing to do with the actual act of killing a child so much as the idea it cements that it is THEIR world...where they make the rules and they are the boss.

Everyone loves actions without consequences, and people generally love to do "bad" things if they feel they can get away with it.

Read "The Selfish Gene" by richard Dawkins...it is an AMAZING book that portrays why human beings think and act the way we do, even Sigmund Freud talks about the hidden "ego" of man...we all love to be bad...it's just our nature. =]

 

[Elgrif]

I agree, I don't value any sentient's life over others

 

[ShenziSixaxis]

Just to throw my opinion in:

Shrew made a very good point. Don't want to watch a bad TV show? Change the channel! Same kind of guildeine applies online. Someone being a buttface and annoying you? Ignore them and go to another forum or different part of the forum. Don't like the topic at hand? Don't read it.

What I'm seeing here is that freedom of speech be taken away, and ridiculous censorship supported. You really REALLY want to be told what you can and can't discuss? You may like the idea of that happening to people who are discussing what you don't like, but what if you are having fun discussing something and someone doesn't like that and tells the mods it should be censored? You really REALLY want that?

If you don't like something, you go do something else, not screw it up for everyone else.

For example, if someone's fetish is to kill children, well, all right, that's their fetish. I personally find "odd" things like that interesting, and as long as they aren't hurting anyone or obtaining child pornography in real life, then they're not breaking any laws and are fine to go about their life.

In reality, children die and have bad things happen to them whether you like it or not. It may be abuse, cancer, maulings by dogs, accidents, rapings, or something else.

Here is another thing I can't stress enough: that "child" you are so attached to in the game is not a child. It is a cluster of colored dots on your TV or computer screen, not a person that can think and feel. It is a bunch of pixels of different shapes that all look like a small and young human.

This all being said, I wouldn't oppose the option to kill children in Skyrim. I hate most of them, actually, and would enjoy quieting their disrespectful mouths.

 

[Bael]

well here sm to put my 2 cents in. ok, let it b known off gate, no i dont condone the killing of children in game or otherwise. i didnt kno u could even kill them till just now, i did infact kno that u gould interact w sum of them. tag, hide and seek, which i find to b a lil amusing in game. there r always goin to b ppl that want to play the darkest side of a game they can, and there is no way u can stop it, so if u dont like it just simply ignore it. i will however not vote to ban it from these forums simply because here we have our freedom to express, whine, bitch, moan, groan,m and conggradulate as we see fit. if u r wrried that if u commit a crime and a child witnesses it and u dont wanna kill them, then maybe u should save b4 said crime, and try to find a way to do it stealthly.

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