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Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

Discussion in 'General Skyrim Discussion' started by EvilCrazyCows, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. thatwudbryan

    thatwudbryan yet another skyrim enthusiast

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    Damn, seems the defense of the Empire has gotten stronger in this thread :eek:... However, the Empire had their shot at taking down the Thalmor and failed. Not only failed but played into their hands perfectly by signing the WGC, which, I would assume, was a clever plot to enrage some of the devout Talos worshippers (natives of Skyrim/Nords/SC's) hopefully causing waves amongst the people and it did exactly that. All the problems brought to Skyrim were due to the affairs of the A.D. and the Empire. I for one can't argue against the people of which the land that these two 'respected' parties have come in and basically tried to regulate and control, are standing up for whats theirs and bringing the fight to both the A.D. and the mighty Empire. Do I agree thats the best option to taking down the Thalmor? No. Do I think its a more just cause than the Imperials and their grand city and fat bellies? Yes. Maybe in Oblivion the Empire was where its at but not in Skyrim.
     
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  2. Dagmar

    Dagmar Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim

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    The Nords were not losing big time. The war fronts were in Cyrodiil and Hammerfell. High Rock and Skyrim were unscathed during The Great War. This and the passage of time are reasons why some people in Skyrim don't appreciate the value of the tradeoff of cessation of hostilites by the Aldmeri Dominion in exchange for outlawing the worship of Talos.
    It's highly improbable that the Aldmeri Dominion could have demolished the Empire. This can be inferred because of the massive size of the existing Aldmeri Dominion army in Cyrodiil, the fact that it was entirely annihilated by the Imperial Legions by the end of the Battle of the Red Ring, and the fact that the Aldmeri Dominion provided no reinforcements for its army in it's war with the Redguard Resistance resulting in the loss of all the territory it had taken in Hammerfell during the Great War under the terms of the Second Treaty of Stros M'kai.

    Many players that advocate for the Stormcloaks rely on this to support the premise that the Empire's agreement to the terms of the White-Gold Concordat was premature. However, without a formal cessation of hostilities, the Aldmeri Dominion would have been free to harass the Empire with small border raids as it did during much of the late Second Era. Coupled with the actual bandit, mercenary and corsair raids that actually occured afterwards due to a diminished Imperial Legion, failure to secure a peace treaty would have resulted in the prolonged suffering of the people in Cyrodiil and setback the recovery process by years if not over a decade.
    Not all High Elves are part of the Aldmeri Dominion, and only a smaller group of those within the Aldmeri Dominion are Thalmor (they're simply known as the Thalmor not the Thalmor embassy). The Thalmor are the ruling class of the Aldmeri Dominion.
     
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  3. Dagmar

    Dagmar Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim

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    It didn't create any problems for 25 years. The only difference between the present time and the prior 25 years is the existence of Ulfric and the Stormcloaks. They literally created the agitation which is one of the reasons why the Thalmor refer to him as an asset in their dossier on him.
    The affairs of the Empire are the affairs of Skyrim and every other province within the Empire. Trying to distinguish this as if it's meaningful is like saying all the problems brought to New York are due to the affairs of the United States and China.
    Then you have no standing to argue at all. Roughly half of those people willingly support and fight for the Empire and consider that standing up for what's theirs.
    The Empire didn't come in and try to regulate Skyrim. It was welcomed and invited to Skyrim over nine centuries ago. This is akin to saying that the United States army came into Texas to try to regulate and control it. The Imperial Legion's purpose in Skyrim is to protect the province and maintain order. The Thalmor Justiciars are the ones charged with primary enforcement of the ban on Talos worship.
    They're not really bringing the fight to either. With regards to the Thalmor, the most they can accomplish is the expulsion of the Thalmor Justiciars from Skyrim and the Justiciars are only a small part of the Aldmeri Dominion. The only part of the Empire that they are combatting is composed, for the most part, out of their fellow Nords.
    Now you're being silly. No one in Skyrim is fat. It reminds me of a winterland version of Venice Beach. :p
     
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  4. Tyer032392

    Tyer032392 Active Member

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    It's not about who is good or bad, both sides have their skeletons so to say. The Empire is more open to other races than the Stormcloaks are, but only to a certain extent. The Stormcloaks as I have gathered are fighting to protect their way of life and their traditions through Ulfric and his uprising and fighting an Empire that has changed severely from when the last Septim died a heroic death worthy of any Nord. The Empire on the other hand and the Nords who support it are trying to protect what Tiber Septim founded and are hoping for a revival of the Empire and it being restored to its former glory, possible with the Dragonborn at the helm. However, to claim that one side or the other is more racist than the other is mostly an general consensus amongst both Stormcloak and Imperial supporters alike. In the end, they have about the same amount of racism involved, but are fighting for very different things.

    P.S: I support the Empire
     
  5. Ozan

    Ozan the Magnificent Bastard

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    Pity.
     
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  6. ragnar silver-blade

    ragnar silver-blade New Member

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    If I might ask politely what the fluff did I just take 3 hours reading in an argument about a game I thought fans of fallout were bad at arguing whether their faction is better
     
  7. Delusional

    Delusional Connoisseur of Hallucinations

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    I've heard from several places that Khajiit furs look quite nice on walls. Is this true? And can I find some that would match Imperial red?
     
  8. Ozan

    Ozan the Magnificent Bastard

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    Meh. Argonian is better.
     
  9. Dark Assassin

    Dark Assassin Obsessed with the aldmeri dominion

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    Welcome to the forums!
     
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  10. Ozan

    Ozan the Magnificent Bastard

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    ((ROMANES EUNT DOMUS!!!))
     
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  11. Pendalyn

    Pendalyn Very Dangerous Nobody

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    Didn't you expect this from Skyrim players? Or did you join these forums for some other purpose?

    I just read a book (in game), whose title I cannot remember and whose author remains unknown. It described the Nords as a people not interested in sharing other cultures, or even being fond of other races. I'll wait till I get home to find the name of it (hopefully someone knows off hand what I speak of), and then bring it up again, but it really had me questioning if I wanted to support the stormcloaks. I've always leaned towards a hatred of the bigger picture (the A.D.), so perhaps I'll stick with that backstory.
    EDIT:** I believe the books name is Children of the Sky.

    What good is a Skyrim inhabited soley by a people who have no desire to share or interact with the rest of the world? The Imperials may not have it right either, but the books I've read (limited in number as they are) would indicate to me that a Nord run Skyrim would be dull, at best.
     
  12. Lifts-Her-Tail

    Lifts-Her-Tail Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] This is Skyrim
     
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  13. Raijin

    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    I can't believe you've spent 3 hours reading this thread. Congratulations on that my friend :) So let me ask you this kind question.......... Are you #Team Stormcloaks or #Team Empire? Which one do you choose and why?
     
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    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    Uh I won't bother commenting on that photo. It looks like something else is on his face, not just milk.
     
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    Pendalyn Very Dangerous Nobody

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    "something else" doesn't look like that on a face.....

    Just sayin.
     
  16. Raijin

    Raijin A Mage that loves a Templar

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    You never know :)
     
  17. DrunkenMage

    DrunkenMage Intoxicated Arch-Mage

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    Long live the Empire.
     
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  18. Jader

    Jader The Mystic Marksman

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    Imperials.Ulfric is a racist turd
     
  19. High King of Skyrim

    High King of Skyrim King of the barbarian horde

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    Nords do run Skyrim, what do you think the Jarls are doing?:p
     
  20. Pendalyn

    Pendalyn Very Dangerous Nobody

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    They do, but I still see them as puppets, some more independent than others. My mind is far from made up, I'm never a fan of oppression of a peoples, but if allowing those people to govern themselves would prove to be more unstable and potentially volatile, I'm ok with the current system me thinks.
     

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