Daedric is NOT the best armor!
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Wolfred the Brave
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Yeah, but one: Nearly everyone I have asked think Heavy sets look better than light.
Two: With Conditioning perk, that doesn't matter. Same with Steed Stone active.
Three: There are far better (or at least, in my humble opinnion) perks in the heavy armor line.
Four: Well, that's about it. But as said above, the armor perks for heavy are better. You can't have fists of fur or glass, can you? And I am pretty sure that leather won't protect you from up to half the damage of a fall.
Wolfred the Brave
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Ok, you know what? I will end it all with words that almost everyone who has posted has already said.
The cap is at 567, so Dragons won't give a skeever's tail whether you use the Evil-looking, unsymmetrical Daedric Armor or the smooth, intimidating Dragonplate. Get over it, bring out some nice ale, grab a sweet roll and make some armor so you don't get knocked on your hide by a gaurd every time you fail a pickpocket or decide to murder a poor NPC.
The cap is at 567, so Dragons won't give a skeever's tail whether you use the Evil-looking, unsymmetrical Daedric Armor or the smooth, intimidating Dragonplate. Get over it, bring out some nice ale, grab a sweet roll and make some armor so you don't get knocked on your hide by a gaurd every time you fail a pickpocket or decide to murder a poor NPC.
Hai-raoul
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Dragon plate looks terrible, I was as disapointed with it as I was with skooma, but that's a discussion for another thread.
I use full daedric even though dragon is better, and anyway, once you get into the high 500's in armor rating, a few points doesn't make that big a difference anyway
I use full daedric even though dragon is better, and anyway, once you get into the high 500's in armor rating, a few points doesn't make that big a difference anyway
Wolfred the Brave
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That is very much a matter of oppinion, for I think Dragon Plate looks amazing. Daedric looks stupid because of the lopsided horns and shield- but you don't think that as well, now do you?Dragon plate looks terrible, I was as disapointed with it as I was with skooma, but that's a discussion for another thread.
I use full daedric even though dragon is better, and anyway, once you get into the high 500's in armor rating, a few points doesn't make that big a difference anyway
Hai-raoul
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Haha well yea, sorry if I came across as narrow minded, I do realize that not everyone has the same opinion as me, and i completely respect others opinions!
I was simply trying to convey how much I personally dislike said armor.
I like the asymmetrical characteristics of the daedric armor, but again, that's just me.
I was simply trying to convey how much I personally dislike said armor.
I like the asymmetrical characteristics of the daedric armor, but again, that's just me.
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
The Conditioning perk requires 70 Heavy Armor skill. Unless you like spending lots of time as a human punching bag in a brawl you aren't going to get Conditioning for many levels
Which means you have to give up the benefit of another Standing Stone.
The fact is that 8 of the perks points you can invest in either perk line do the exact same thing. As for the rest of the heavy armor perks:
1 of them is useful if you like running off of high cliffs a lot.
1 is a novelty item so you can punch NPC's for a little bit more damage in brawls that you could probably win without the perk.
1 just plain sucks as the ultimate perk, which makes it no worse or better than the ultimate perks in any of the weapon and armor skill perk lines.
The only perks worth comparing outside the identical effect ones are the 50% less stagger versus the 50% faster stamina regeneration. Your play style should be far more relevant in choosing heavy versus light armor than the benefit of either perk.
Wolfred the Brave
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The Conditioning perk requires 70 Heavy Armor skill. Unless you like spending lots of time as a human punching bag in a brawl you aren't going to get Conditioning for many levels
Which means you have to give up the benefit of another Standing Stone.
The fact is that 8 of the perks points you can invest in either perk line do the exact same thing. As for the rest of the heavy armor perks:
1 of them is useful if you like running off of high cliffs a lot.
1 is a novelty item so you can punch NPC's for a little bit more damage in brawls that you could probably win without the perk.
1 just plain sucks as the ultimate perk, which makes it no worse or better than the ultimate perks in any of the weapon and armor skill perk lines.
The only perks worth comparing outside the identical effect ones are the 50% less stagger versus the 50% faster stamina regeneration. Your play style should be far more relevant in choosing heavy versus light armor than the benefit of either perk.
Are you kidding me? I got to 70 heavy Armor at level 20 by playing normally.
And...? All of the standing stones except the Gaurdians are rather dull anyways. Most of them can be duplicated as many times as you want with alchemy, perks, and spells. The Steed is perfect because you can use it until you get Conditioning. besides- the Heavy armor's speed reduction is barely noticeable and the stamina problem can be fixed pretty easily.
You know what? there should be a Clothes skill. Then mages wouldn't be left out.
1 of them is for anyone, no matter how many cliffs they purposefully jump off.
1 of them makes your fists better than a legendary daedric sword.
1 of them... wait what was that perk again?
honestly, I can argue almost everything you say. I once made an anti-nature type of person believe that moth larvae was cute.
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
And for 20 levels you didn't have it. Thanks for proving my point.
And you could say the same about the the Steed Stone but it completely misses the point. You don't have to do anything with light armor to get the benefit of having less weight. Further it's not only lighter, it makes less noise. The Steed Stone is not going to change that with heavy armor because it only deals with weight.
No it isn't. If you don't fall off a cliff or a high ledge you're never going to benefit from it. The only time I ever fell of a cliff was because of a stupid talking dog.
LOLWUT? Fists of steel only does damage equal to the base armor rating of the gauntlets not the displayed armor rating. Because there's no unarmed skill, unlike weapons, there's no skill multiplier for damage either. The cold hard fact is your damage is capped at 50 with the Fists of Steel perk and that's only if you know how to get it to 50 with enchanting.
Wolfred the Brave
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And...? I didn't need it for twenty levels- and still really don't.And for 20 levels you didn't have it. Thanks for proving my point.
And you could say the same about the the Steed Stone but it completely misses the point. You don't have to do anything with light armor to get the benefit of having less weight. Further it's not only lighter, it makes less noise. The Steed Stone is not going to change that with heavy armor because it only deals with weight.
No it isn't. If you don't fall off a cliff or a high ledge you're never going to benefit from it. The only time I ever fell of a cliff was because of a stupid talking dog.
LOLWUT? Fists of steel only does damage equal to the base armor rating of the gauntlets not the displayed armor rating. Because there's no unarmed skill, unlike weapons, there's no skill multiplier for damage either. The cold hard fact is your damage is capped at 50 with the Fists of Steel perk and that's only if you know how to get it to 50 with enchanting.
Actually, Light Armor also takes away from speed and stamina, but less. It doesn't matter if it makes less noise, because you still make some noise.
Well then you are the luckiest skeever-tail I have ever met. Me and every one of my friends, light armor or heavy, has fallen off enough cliffs to know that that perk is essential- ESPECIALLY in certain quests which shant be named for fear of angering Assassain (my friend's nickname.) He got so angry at the quest that he very nearly broke my controller in half, and all because of cliff-falls.
Well that's new to me... because I did a good hundred damage to that giant when I fought him directly after the Draugr Lord guy who uses disarm. It took me forever to find my sword... turns out it landed in the giant's campfire, but that is beside the point.
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
Which means you can sprint longer and faster. In conjunction with the stamina regeneration perk, it's handy for players that don't use fast travel much or at all.
It does matter for a stealth build. Your likelihood to be detected from the sound from your movement in heavy armor is significantly greater than in light armor.
Power attack will still double your damage. It changes nothing about the complete absurdity of claiming it makes your fists better than a Legendary Daedric Sword.
Wolfred the Brave
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BUT IT IS STILL LESS THAN CLOTHES. And again, once you reach Seventy (which I realized isn't easy with armor but is easy with any other skill) in Heavy Armor you can do better than in light.
Enchantments can easily do the same with Heavy Armor. Besides, Clothes are better unless you are using nightengale or ancient dark brotherhood.
I wasn't using a power attack. See what happens when you presume?
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
And how do you know how much damage you did? I'm not presuming anything. The only way you can do 100 damage with Fists of Steel is by using power attack or exploits. You can claim to the contrary but it only makes the claim incredulous.
Saying enchantments are needed pretty much concedes the point...again.
Saying enchantments are needed pretty much concedes the point...again.
Wolfred the Brave
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Because giants have 591 health and I did a good 1/6 of it's health in one non-power, non-exploited blow.
Lightarmor needs it to, dummkommf.
Lightarmor needs it to, dummkommf.
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
ROFL That's very scientific. Did you break out your tape measurer and measure the bar? You just proved that you don't have any idea how much damage you did. The only way you can know how much damage you do is by using console commands. Saying you must have done 100 damage based on a visual measure is meaningless and reminds me of the console game users that claimed that damage is location based because they shot something in the head and body and the headshot did more damage. It's meaningless, inaccurate and has no persuasive authority. Plenty of PC users have already tested Fists of Steel perk damage accurately and reliably using the console commands and it caps at 50 for normal attacks. It's math not guesswork.
Light armor doesn't need to use enchantments to be better for stealth than heavy armor without the enchantments. That was the point.
Light armor doesn't need to use enchantments to be better for stealth than heavy armor without the enchantments. That was the point.
Wolfred the Brave
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I can see my screen. I use an Xbox, I.E. no console commands. But I can see my screen. It was about 1/6, out of approximately 600 health, which means that I did close to 100 damage. Now I am resorting to silence for I have proven my point to my own self and that is all that matters.
Maybe not to be better than heavy, but you still need a few sneak perks before non-enchanted light armor is any good at silence. That or a good Alteration perk and the muffled spell...
Speaking of Alteration spells, have you noticed that Waterbreathing is actually useless because it takes about sixty seconds to even start taking damage from being underwater?
Maybe not to be better than heavy, but you still need a few sneak perks before non-enchanted light armor is any good at silence. That or a good Alteration perk and the muffled spell...
Speaking of Alteration spells, have you noticed that Waterbreathing is actually useless because it takes about sixty seconds to even start taking damage from being underwater?
