I am ip banned from nexus

Matthias Steel · Apr 17, 2012

i was banned to for cussing which is not an acceptable reason if you ask me theres nude mods all over the damn site why would someone care if i said fluff?. thats why i came here it feels more relaxing on this site and its not run by people who have a false sense of authority.

Brina · May 25, 2012

oh wow those guys at nexus... they banned me cuz i had an account that wouldnt sign in and wouldnt work so I made another account.. which is apparently against the rules. Well of course i read the rules... most of them anyway
but my whole ip is banned soooo, guess what?
when I click on the provided contact link for getting unbanned, it just says im banned again so i dont have access to ANYTHING on the website :/ i just wanna post a mod!

Gehenna · May 25, 2012

Brina said:
i just wanna post a mod!

Be glad your mod isn't there. I mean, what if you had posted it and then got banned. Think you could get it removed then? I'm on the fence about that. They told me awhile back that they wouldn't "hold mods hostage" but then I see mods belonging to banned people still up there all the time. There are plenty of other places you can post your mod, or you can open your own site and post it, then you'll have more control over it.

Dagmar · May 25, 2012

Matthias Steel said:
i was banned to for cussing which is not an acceptable reason if you ask me theres nude mods all over the damn site why would someone care if i said fu**?. thats why i came here it feels more relaxing on this site and its not run by people who have a false sense of authority.

Access to nude mods are restricted to adult accounts. This site does not tolerate the use of expletives either which is why your post was auto-censored by the forum software. What this site does NOT do is automatically whip out ban hammers and dual wield them on you for a mere infraction. You really have to fluff up quite badly to get a perma ban from here.

Uther Pundragon · May 25, 2012

Hm... I know a few people who have plenty of web hosting space stuff. Maybe I could convince them to put up an alternative place people can upload/download Skyrim mods. I'll think on it.

Gehenna · May 25, 2012

Uther Pundragon said:
Hm... I know a few people who have plenty of web hosting space stuff. Maybe I could convince them to put up an alternative place people can upload/download Skyrim mods. I'll think on it.

There's been discussion here about something like that. Maybe a collaboration is in order? As a spinoff to the nexus alternitive thread .......... (collaborative effort thread)

iamwoh · May 27, 2012

Skullrattla said:
You may enjoy this one:

nexus hate? - The Nexus Forums - Page 4

Especially comments following Jaguarnaut's comment on that page...

super lolz...

the the nexus forums is where ppl are mostly getting kicked out form

iamwoh · May 27, 2012

EMINEMTheFallenAngel said:
i am ip banned from nexus is there anyway i can fix this i got banned for saying "i like Lydia's boobs" xD lol there so retarded with there rules

yeah i got kicked form tring to make other ppl lol now i cant re make a file it ownt even let me make a new one cuz i am not even aloud to see the site

Onadir · Jun 6, 2012

After lurking around the Nexus forum for a bit and reading a few of the ban criticism threads, all I take out of it is that they have a zero tolerance policy. I imagine that being the kind of 'community' that they are, they dealt with a lot of silly crap in their early days. It does seem to be unnecessary overkill to ban someone after, say, a first time curse-word offense, but I don't think it's always as bad as that. Of course, however, I don't know the history there.

The only thing that strikes me as indecent are the ban listings, which are posted as though they're being placed a trophy wall. On the other hand, there are few things more triumphal than publicly embarrassing someone you just banned for a darn good reason.

Onadir · Jun 6, 2012

Brina said:
oh wow those guys at nexus... they banned me cuz i had an account that wouldnt sign in and wouldnt work so I made another account.. which is apparently against the rules. Well of course i read the rules... most of them anyway
but my whole ip is banned soooo, guess what?
when I click on the provided contact link for getting unbanned, it just says im banned again so i dont have access to ANYTHING on the website :/ i just wanna post a mod!

Unfortunately, they have a policy about not letting people appeal bans if they have multiple profiles. It instantly nullifies appeals to be unbanned. From what I understand, IP bans also seem to be perma-bans. If I were you and genuinely just wanted to share a mod, I would try to acquire the email address of one of the admins and send them a personal email pleading my case.

Mahone · Jun 6, 2012

Haha sucks for you

r619 · Jun 10, 2012

Well, hello everybody. I was banned too, few times.
1st time - for piracy.
Then - for criticism of the antipiracy policy (Bans for opinion - that's just ridiculous)
And then - for "questioning staff action in the forums, supporting a troll, being a troll" (That wasn't trolling actually, i've just criticised banning other pseudo-troll.)

Now my list of favorite (tracked) mods stored in txt on dropbox. Loosing them first time was most painful for me.
Looking for an alternabive, though nexus is the biggest mod site.. It isn't democratic and tolerant.
Bans are meant to separate normal users from bad users. On nexus, normal users are bad users :C

They are just updated their codebase also.. Maybe i'll try to make some pentests on nexus.
Sorry for my bad english btw. The only way to learn it is to use it :3

(8th)Matt Novosad · Jun 23, 2012

So I found this post on that "Nexus Hate?" thread on the Nexus forums, and then a mod's response. (It's quite long so grab a drink and some popcorn)

if I may, I'd like to add some thoughts on this topic coming as a relatively new user, but one who has already had a somewhat negative experience of Nexus moderation. I only just saw the topic tonight, hence my somewhat late quoting of the above two comments. And apologies in advance for the very long post, I do understand if it's a "tl;dr"!

Firstly, and importantly, I'd like to say that this is an awesome site. I hope it will be clear that I mean all comments constructively, and am giving them only because they seem to me relevant to the issues and questions raised by this thread, and because I feel I have some personal experience despite my newbieness. I want to emphasise that because as a new user, I have no "stake" here - no huge post count over many years to justify giving my opinion and my suggestions. So if anyone is feeling "who are you to come here and say this," then fair enough; just know that my intentions are constructive and are written because even as a newbie, I can see that this a great site worth spending time on.

First, a brief intro. I'd never modded a game before Skyrim - in fact I'd always had a rather negative impression of modding. I had (completely baselessly) assumed it was generally similar to the people who port Android to run on iPhones: in other words, technically challenging and clever, but in practice pretty pointless and full of caveats and problems. Or at least, far more effort than the results justified.

Skyrim - a game I've now played for 150+ hours, which is more than all other games combined over the last few years - has of course shown me that that is utterly untrue. I've got 35 mods installed so far, and they have revolutionised my playing experience. Many of them add content that I'm sure the original developers would have added, had they had more time and budget - in other words, they are of a quality worthy of a professional development team. All of them have made the game more enjoyable, immersive, and/or challenging. I honestly can't imagine playing the game without them now. And I'm already planning a couple of my own.

I'm now a major modding convert, and Nexus has played a vital part in that. I can say for certain that if modding was a lot of effort, I wouldn't ever have bothered. That's not because I'm not technical (quite the opposite), but simply because I'm lazy and too much technical effort, at least of the mundane kind, feels like work and not gaming. So Nexus with its comprehensive mod lists, comments, endorsements, screenshots/videos, and most of all NMM, has enabled and encouraged me to expand on Skyrim significantly. When I first got Skyrim, it was a great game. Now it's a great hobby. I'm extremely grateful to Nexus for that!

But unfortunately I have had an experience that has tainted my experience a little. Shortly after I started reading the site, I discovered chat. I went in and chatted happily and copiously for an hour or two, having some good conversations with several people. Then suddenly I was unceremoniously banned, without a warning or any other communication. We'd been talking about consoles, and I had said that I really liked the Wii, because although it has technical limitations, it was great that, unlike the 360 and PS3, it was possible to run homebrew. As I was writing that, I made sure to emphasise that I was talking about homebrew and the ability to add new features to games one already owns: which is exactly what I do use Wii homebrew for - ripping my legally purchased games to a HDD so I don't have to disk swap, and so I can enable cheats and the like. I knew that piracy talk was forbidden, and didn't want it to seem like I was encouraging anyone to play pirated games.

So I was rather surprised to be so promptly banned, with no warning. But I did realise that I'd gone into chat without fully reading the rules. So my first response was to PM the mod who banned me, apologising for not having read the rules properly, explaining that I had absolutely not meant any reference to piracy, and asking if he could please re-consider.

Shortly after that, I discovered the "I've been banned" thread in the "Forum rules and strikes" thread. It mentioned a form to fill out to request an unban, but that was a 404. So I posted in the thread. I said basically the same things as in the PM, but putting more emphasis on the apology and fully admitting that I should have read the rules first. I said that "ignorance is no excuse," but that I hoped I could have a second chance.

To that I got a single, somewhat sarcastic reply saying basically "so you found the unban thread but not the thread about no console modding?" That was when I first realised that all discussion of console modding was completely banned. I replied, explaining again that no I hadn't read that (or any forum thread) before joining chat, and agreeing that yes that was a mistake - for which I apologised again - and saying again that no harm had been intended and so I'd be very grateful for a reconsideration.

That was 11 days ago. I got no further response on the thread, nor did the original banning mod ever respond to my PM. There was a subsequent post to the Banned thread by a different mod, in response to someone else, saying one should "apologise and commit to not repeating the offence" and then unbans would usually follow. That's precisely what I'd already done. I could I suppose have responded to that and asked again, but frankly by that point (now two or three days later), I'd lost interest and chat had lost a lot of its appeal. I felt by then that I'd already been as apologetic and conciliatory as was necessary, and I certainly wasn't going to beg. In fact if anything, I felt I'd been more apologetic than should be necessary. In my original post in that Banned thread, I said the ban was "fair enough", but in retrospect I changed my mind: what would have been much more reasonable in my view would have been a PM'd warning with a link to the "no console modding" thread. That's certainly all that would have been required to ensure I never talked about it again. Perhaps with a kick for emphasis and so others in the room could learn from my mistake as well.

I suppose what I found most galling was the sarcastic response I got from one mod - who took the time to respond, but seemingly not to read my explanation or at least take any notice of it. It felt very much like I had been unfairly tarred with the same brush as those chatters who troll, who scream racist obscenities, or who try to ask for assistance with their pirated game. It seemed that the moderator hadn't really read anything I'd said but just assumed "you've been banned, you must be bad."

Now it's just a chat ban and clearly it's not kept me from wanting to enjoy - and contribute to - the rest of the site. Had I not seen this thread and the comments I quoted at the start of this post, I'd likely never have mentioned it again. But this thread exists, and I suppose therefore that there must be some general anti-Nexus feeling out there. It'd be easy to dismiss that as sour grapes from banned users, and to assume that all banned users got what they deserved, so I wanted to contribute my own experience and impressions.

I was struck particularly by Halororor's comment that there is a "zero tolerance policy of questioning moderators' decisions". I have to say that does ring alarm bells for me. Moderation is clearly of vital importance - the internet can be a total cesspool, and indeed usually is without good moderation. And I know from personal experience (I ran a fairly popular IRC chat server about 10 years ago) that moderation is often a thankless task. But if it's true that the mere questioning of decisions can lead to a punitive response, then to me that suggests that moderation might sometimes be going beyond what is necessary into the realms of power-play or censorship. In the wider world, a key hallmark of a free society is free speech and the ability to question the decisions of those in power.

I know of course that this is not a society, this is a privately owned site. You don't have to be accountable to anyone. But I feel that that's not a good road to go too far down. I've seen many sites fall foul of it: at worst reaching the point where they feel like 1984.

I can understand the temptation - when a moderator is working hard, without pay, to try and keep a site friendly and popular, it can seem rather galling to have decisions called into question. But without questioning, without accountability, it is in my view not moderation any more. I believe that moderation should be hard. Anyone can click ban and move on. It's much more challenging - and therefore rewarding - to try and resolve the root issue without having to get rid of anyone.

And I feel strongly that there should never be a problem with the questioning of decisions, because decisions taken fairly will be fair and reasonable and will stand up to any scrutiny. Of course when one bans an idiot for being an idiot, they're going to question it idiotically. But those cases should be pretty obvious for what they are, and can be closed down after the obvious explanation is given. But if one never allows polite, measured discussion of decisions, and therefore takes the stance of "its my/our way - right or wrong - or GTFO", then I think the whole attitude and nature of the site can change, for the worst.
Dark0ne, on 01 February 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:
The anonymous nature of the internet has created a generation of people with alter-egos who say one thing online, because they can get away with it, and say another offline to people's faces. I don't agree with that. If you can't be nice to people here, you're gone.

I agree of course. But I find it's not necessarily black and white. When I've moderated in the past, I've always taken the "banhammer" as the absolute last resort, with the first, second and third resorts always being communication - talking to a person, and explaining why whatever they did is not allowed. In very many cases, I've found that someone who at first glance appeared to be a trolling idiot is actually not. Maybe they thought they were being funny. Maybe they don't speak great English. Maybe they're just having a bad day. Whatever the reason, I've seen plenty of times when an "idiot sighting" has actually been borderline, and the "hard" way (talking to them patiently, at least at first) has revealed them to be decent people, where the "ban" would turn them into slathering trolls. One can certainly argue that decent people will always behave decently, but it goes both ways: if someone makes a genuine mistake, but is then treated with seeming contempt, they're far more likely to turn on their 'alter-ego' - indeed they may even feel they're just fitting in.

Of course there still are plenty of black-and-white cases. Someone who screams hate-filled obscenities (whether racist, homophobic, sexist, or whatever), can usually be taken at face value and dealt with immediately. But there are plenty of other cases that I believe need deeper inspection and more careful thought.

I should emphasise again that my experience at Nexus is only what I described at the start of my post. Anything else - e.g. people being banned for criticism - I am surmising purely from what Halororor said, and perhaps (I hope) is not true. And my own experience was certainly not terrible - I wasn't treated with contempt, just perhaps a little disdain. But I thought my experience, though mild and non-terminal, did speak to the same principles, and therefore meant I didn't find what Halororor said to be a big surprise.
Dark0ne, on 01 February 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:
Too many people act like utter idiots on the internet because they can get away with it. We don't want that here. And that's my take on it.

I agree with this completely. But I feel that an important corollary is that the non-idiots should be encouraged to be here, and that time and effort should be taken to establish on which side of the fence they fall. And treating everyone as "innocent until proven guilty" as a first stance does in my experience do wonders for helping as many people fall on the right side as possible.

It's a bit like those traffic wardens who give you a ticket if your car is parked 3 millimetres over the white line. "Rules are rules," they say. And technically, they're correct. But following only the letter of the law, not the spirit, and giving no-one the benefit of the doubt makes the world a much more unfriendly and tedious place.

In being banned without warning, I certainly wasn't given any benefit of the doubt. Perhaps the moderator was overwhelmed with idiots that night and had no time to talk to me. What I find much less understandable is that even after I bent over backwards with every effort to both apologise and to show that I wasn't one of those general idiots, I saw not the slightest shift: I got one sarcastic response that seemed to imply that maybe I actually was one of those idiots, and then I was just ignored. The mod who actually banned me ignored me completely, not even acknowledging that he'd read my PM.

I can understand the temptation to think "we have hundreds of thousands of users, most of whom have never broken a rule: why waste time on one who has." But I think that's the wrong approach. Whereas any one decision for any one user makes no difference (other than to that user,) if it occurs repeatedly and becomes a pattern, then it creates an unfriendly vibe which in turn could lead to an increase of dissatisfaction with the site. That'd be a great shame, because one of this site's great strengths is as a central, one-stop-shop repository: if people leave and post mods (and their feedback) elsewhere, inevitably users are going to find it harder to know about every great mod that is available.

Anyway, thanks for reading all this, if you did! I'll say again that I think that this is a wonderful site. I hope that the very fact that I've written all this will indicate my strong feelings in that regard - I'd not have bothered writing anything unless I felt the site was well worth the effort.
This post has been edited by tjobbins: 31 May 2012 - 07:41 AM

This is the mods response.

Evidently the don't talk about consoling modding rule still flies over your head, and I'm sorry your PM got buried amongst the other things I had to do, guess you should have wait longer then 20 minutes before deciding to take it to the boards. Though now you've decided to make a giant wall of text taking cheap shots at my self, and another member of staff. Not a great way to convince me to allow you back in to the chat.

Think a little harder before you post next time.

I read some of the posts in the "Banned section" absolutely disgusting of who they call trolls.

Like one person was banned for saying this: "Oh lord, it's THAT part of nexus again... The heck, man, I always thought that TES was about killing things in about a billion different ways, not this pseudo porn. I mean, we all have needs, but really, in skyrim?

Onadir · Jun 23, 2012

Reading that has left a foul taste in my mouth. I checked things out and thought, "Well, they just enforce their rules without exception. Now I've read this and can't help but frown upon them.

"guess you should have wait longer then 20 minutes"
Okay, he made a brief response in a pre-existing thread... and then he waited eleven days for a PM response. How much longer than twenty minutes should he have to wait?

Though now you've decided to make a giant wall of text taking cheap shots at my self, and another member of staff.
What? I didn't cheap shot a single soul!

Think a little harder before you post next time.
If ever I've seen thought put into a post, it was his post. It was exceptionally thoughtful indeed. It's the short ass response that was thoughtless.

Raijin · Jun 24, 2012

I haven't had any problems with Nexus yet as I don't use their forums, but to submit photos and an occasional comments on mod devs pages, but apparently their the only site that I know of so far to offer gaming mods. Perhaps you guys can all get together and develop another mod site where you can then compete with Nexus?

Hacking their site in a disgruntle way is not the solution but to earn yourself to jail, since hacking is a serious crime. The best way to hit 'em hard is through tough competition.

Nakto Guvano · Jul 6, 2012

After my first account got locked, I started the path of accounts, ending with 3 more, for a total of 4 accounts, all banned. They IP banned me, so no one in my current household can use the forums. But can still download. My accounts were all banned for account abuse. I did this because my first account locked up. I got help, but they just banned me for no reason saying they helped me fix it. So that's why I never use Nexus again. But I barely ever use SW, as I hate the system it has. But I have good mods already, from all the time I used it. Glad to see others don't like how Nexus works.

Omega Dragon · Jul 6, 2012

I like this thread, and you can consider me a member of the "Nexus Banned Anonymous" group, if there be one. lol

So, I was insta-banned for posting weblinks to illegal material. My intention was to post information to a webpage that had information about a recent PS3 firmware update. No notifications, no emails. Nothing. I tried creating a 2nd account to appeal it by PMing the mod that posted my ban. Well she decided to be a bitch and ban me again, yet I was extremely polite and knew I probably had broken the rules again.

EMINEMTheFallenAngel said:
i am ip banned from nexus is there anyway i can fix this i got banned for saying "i like Lydia's boobs" xD lol there so retarded with there rules

Wow, that is... just, damn...

NAT said:
haha yeah they are. the mod was where you kill nazi guards...and there was all kinds of people commenting that it was offensive...theres a mod out where you can kill kids...u know...children...cut heads off and pl***....but god forbid you kill a few nazi guards. i even requested an unban.and they completely ignored it. i love how the internet is the only place in the world that is pretty much literally free and without rule...yet im banned from a MODDNG website for posting a mod. btw...im not gonna admit to being a noob or anything. but wtf does trolling even mean? i looked it up...and all i got was people saying it meant telling people they were being stupid for arguing of over little pl*** in a forum. anyone else care to explain. cuz the plopss like greek to me.

That's funny, Nexus's own rules state "if you don't like a mod, don't download it"... talk about hypocrisy!

ActOfGod said:
Someone should really just hack/take down their site, with a message simply saying "Stop being power-abusive morons who need their E-peen to be stroked and sucked and L2 Moderate a website."

That I don't think would be right. These issues should be disputed without the use of violence.

WaltC said:
Heh... This kind of behavior sounds much more left-wing, to me...

It's the behavior of a violent state, that's it. Left or right would make no sense, and the Nexus isn't a state, albeit it is resorting to violence in many cases, which leads me to believe the political upbringing of the admins/moderators must be that of an authoritarian family.

Also, alternatively, the Steamworks Workshop contains a great many of the Nexus mods--didn't see that mentioned in the thread.

Not everyone likes Steam.

Raijin · Jul 6, 2012

I'm not trying to defend Nexus but a lot of other sites will perma ban you for creating multiple accounts. In fact if I was to get banned from this site, and then started creating a bunch of other accounts eventually the administrator will get tired of me therefor they would slap an IP ban me thus solving the problem all together.

Omega Dragon · Jul 7, 2012

Raijin said:
I'm not trying to defend Nexus but a lot of other sites will perma ban you for creating multiple accounts. In fact if I was to get banned from this site, and then started creating a bunch of other accounts eventually the administrator will get tired of me therefor they would slap an IP ban me thus solving the problem all together.

I know. I've been an admin and mod of different forums before, and I've visited more than most people ever will. However, not once have I encountered a webforum wherein you received no notification of your ban via email and very few do not give you the ability to email/PM an admin. Quite simply, their appeals process is convoluted.

That said, the only problem I have is that I cannot properly download a majority of other mods on their website when they should have forum access =! website access as a whole.

DBAcursed · Jul 9, 2012

Just got IP banned from Nexus.

I am ip banned from nexus

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