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Sky rim had a dismal amount of aedric influence. all the divine weaponry/armor/rings were crafted by the daedra and the thing is how can you justify a mostly just character wielding the mace of molag bal?were are the cool weapons for those rping to be good?
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
Sky rim had a dismal amount of aedric influence. all the divine weaponry/armor/rings were crafted by the daedra and the thing is how can you justify a mostly just character wielding the mace of molag bal?were are the cool weapons for those rping to be good?
I can only count 2 Aedric Artifacts, Auriel's Bow and the Staff of Magnus
 

Irishman

Well-Endowed Member
Auriels shield, kynes token... the amulets of the devines arnt really unique or or artifacts but they still lend power.
 

Wildroses

Well-Known Member
I think there are way more Daedric than Aedric artefacts because they are both different beings with different aims. The Aedra don't seem to consider people pawns to manipulate or torment for the fun of it the way the Daedra do, and don't want to actively meddle in people's lives the way the Daedra do, so of course there will be a lot less Aedric weapons. Most of the Daedric weapons around you get as rewards for punishing people who have annoyed the Daedra, or by amusing or pleasing them in your interactions with other people.

It also doesn't bother me that there aren't as many cool and powerful weapons to play a good character with. This is going to sound strange, but I find it kind of empowering that if you decide to be a good person in Skyrim, it means you aren't going to get the coolest most powerful weapons in the game (unless you grind and perk smithing and enchanting, but that's a topic for a different thread). There are actual consequences for choosing to play that way.

On the whole, evil people are going to get more powerful items than good people because they don't care about consequences. Tell a good hero and an evil hero that they could get a massively powerful weapon and they'll both say cool. Then tell them it will need to be powered up with the freshly killed hearts of ten children and the good hero will decide they can live without the massively powerful weapon, and the evil hero will ask if there are ten children with hearts ready to harvest now or if they need to go and get some.
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
I think there are way more Daedric than Aedric artefacts because they are both different beings with different aims. The Aedra don't seem to consider people pawns to manipulate or torment for the fun of it the way the Daedra do, and don't want to actively meddle in people's lives the way the Daedra do, so of course there will be a lot less Aedric weapons. Most of the Daedric weapons around you get as rewards for punishing people who have annoyed the Daedra, or by amusing or pleasing them in your interactions with other people.

It also doesn't bother me that there aren't as many cool and powerful weapons to play a good character with. This is going to sound strange, but I find it kind of empowering that if you decide to be a good person in Skyrim, it means you aren't going to get the coolest most powerful weapons in the game (unless you grind and perk smithing and enchanting, but that's a topic for a different thread). There are actual consequences for choosing to play that way.

On the whole, evil people are going to get more powerful items than good people because they don't care about consequences. Tell a good hero and an evil hero that they could get a massively powerful weapon and they'll both say cool. Then tell them it will need to be powered up with the freshly killed hearts of ten children and the good hero will decide they can live without the massively powerful weapon, and the evil hero will ask if there are ten children with hearts ready to harvest now or if they need to go and get some.
that's usually how it is with most games however the only difference with Aedra and daedra is that daedra did not participate in the creation of mundus or something whatever they believe, so not all daedra though are necceraly evil like meridian for instancec
 

T. Rakinson

A Brute among Beasts
In game yes... In the whole TES universe...
Amulet of kings
Heart of lorkhan
Armour of Tiber Septim
Auriels bow
Auriels shield
Staff of magnus
Eye of magnus.
[Aetherium Staff/shield/crown] Pending

Yes i know its not as much as the daedras, but as its been mentioned above the Daedra appear much more frequently in mortal affairs than their Aedric counterparts.
 

Irishman

Well-Endowed Member
I just found the shield tonight. Not sure how well it works yet, but we shall see.

If your dragonborn you will find it (prob) overated, but if your on a playthrough that hasnt learnt a word of the thuum than... omg! Best thing since sliced bread. Until you find out it just looks cool to carry around a glowing, charged shield without using the stored power :cool: shame your enemies arnt as impressed and scared as they should be!
 

JoeReese

Well-Known Member
That does sound cool. I have to send Faendal home before I test it out. He tends to shoot everything I'm trying to block.
 

DurableDiction

Paladin of the Old Order
I don't think Magnus counts as an Aedra. Yes, he help a bit in the creation, but he left extremely early and so he wasn't trapped on Mundus like the Eight. Aedra roughly means "ancestors" in TES, or hose who stayed to create Mundus. Daedra means "Not our ancestors," those who didn't stay to create Mundus.

That said, Magnus should be considered a Daedra in my opinion.
 

Sahdira

Member
I don't think Magnus counts as an Aedra. Yes, he help a bit in the creation, but he left extremely early and so he wasn't trapped on Mundus like the Eight. Aedra roughly means "ancestors" in TES, or hose who stayed to create Mundus. Daedra means "Not our ancestors," those who didn't stay to create Mundus.

That said, Magnus should be considered a Daedra in my opinion.


This is what Sahdira understands too. The ones that stayed to form Nirn are the Aedra. The ones that fled are the Daedra.
 

Sahdira

Member
Yes i know its not as much as the daedras, but as its been mentioned above the Daedra appear much more frequently in mortal affairs than their Aedric counterparts.


This is true. The Aedra gave up their divine power to create the mortal plane of Nirn. Once it was created the Aedra either became the decedents of man and mer (though Sahdira believes this is disputed by some followers of The Eight). So they have no power to create artifacts or interfere in mortal life because their power has severely waned, that is if they are not whatever gods consider to be dead.
 

Majir-Dar

Confused Khajiit
Why would the Aedra (that are supposed to be good and kind), offer weapons of mass destruction, knowing that mortals would just kill each other with them? Not even their amulets offer that much power.
 

DurableDiction

Paladin of the Old Order
Why would the Aedra (that are supposed to be good and kind), offer weapons of mass destruction, knowing that mortals would just kill each other with them? Not even their amulets offer that much power.

The Aedra are not suppose to be dipicted as "good and kind." Some believe that the Aedra are not much different than their "evil" counterparts. The defining difference is that they gave their power to created The mortal plane, and are actually trapped in our world.
It can be argued that they actually do not care much for mortals unless they are worshipping them (which may actually give them sustenance, like food almost)or when Daedra attempt to dethrone them (which might even "kill" them because they can't feed off of mortal worship).
When you think about it, the Aedra are actually WEAKER than the Daedra. They cannot leave Mundus, not can they manifest themselves like other Daedra (Akatosh was only able to "manifest" with the combined power of the Amulet of Kings and Martin's soul. Even then, he only barely held back Dagon). That said, this may also explain why they cannot create many artifacts. This takes an amount of power and energy that they probably just can't waste on us.

In fact the Aeedra CAN be quite ruthless (or at least as much as their dismal power will let them). Take for instance Lorkhan. They ruthlessly ripped the deity's heart out and cast it aside when they discovered that they could not leave. Akatosh gifted mortals the power of Shouting to combat the Dragon Cult that were challenging their worship. The Amulet of kings was created to keep their bretheren from overrunning Nirn so they wouldn't (again) challenge their worship.

Aedric/Daedric artifacts are only created to help spread the influence of their respective creators. It's all a battle over who will dominate us. The truth is that, whether Aedra or Daedra, they are all out for their own selfish gain (I mean, who doesn't want to rule the entire races of men and mer?)

Honestly, I prefer Aedra. At least they don't have the power to make us slaves and can only hope that enough of us worship them.
 

Majir-Dar

Confused Khajiit
Why would the Aedra (that are supposed to be good and kind), offer weapons of mass destruction, knowing that mortals would just kill each other with them? Not even their amulets offer that much power.

The Aedra are not suppose to be dipicted as "good and kind." Some believe that the Aedra are not much different than their "evil" counterparts. The defining difference is that they gave their power to created The mortal plane, and are actually trapped in our world.
It can be argued that they actually do not care much for mortals unless they are worshipping them (which may actually give them sustenance, like food almost)or when Daedra attempt to dethrone them (which might even "kill" them because they can't feed off of mortal worship).
When you think about it, the Aedra are actually WEAKER than the Daedra. They cannot leave Mundus, not can they manifest themselves like other Daedra (Akatosh was only able to "manifest" with the combined power of the Amulet of Kings and Martin's soul. Even then, he only barely held back Dagon). That said, this may also explain why they cannot create many artifacts. This takes an amount of power and energy that they probably just can't waste on us.

In fact the Aeedra CAN be quite ruthless (or at least as much as their dismal power will let them). Take for instance Lorkhan. They ruthlessly ripped the deity's heart out and cast it aside when they discovered that they could not leave. Akatosh gifted mortals the power of Shouting to combat the Dragon Cult that were challenging their worship. The Amulet of kings was created to keep their bretheren from overrunning Nirn so they wouldn't (again) challenge their worship.

Aedric/Daedric artifacts are only created to help spread the influence of their respective creators. It's all a battle over who will dominate us. The truth is that, whether Aedra or Daedra, they are all out for their own selfish gain (I mean, who doesn't want to rule the entire races of men and mer?)

Honestly, I prefer Aedra. At least they don't have the power to make us slaves and can only hope that enough of us worship them.
Oh, well in that case, I was wrong. So now that I have the information you've given me, I would say that the Aedra only want to give weapons to those that solely support them. Like Pelinal Whitestrake and the Hero of Kvatch. I say the Hero of Kvatch because they needed you in order to prevent an all out war with Numerill (I think that's his name. It's something around that area at least). So, because the divines didn't need you in Skyrim, they weren't going to supply you with weaponry or armour.
 

Majir-Dar

Confused Khajiit
Why would the Aedra (that are supposed to be good and kind), offer weapons of mass destruction, knowing that mortals would just kill each other with them? Not even their amulets offer that much power.

The Aedra are not suppose to be dipicted as "good and kind." Some believe that the Aedra are not much different than their "evil" counterparts. The defining difference is that they gave their power to created The mortal plane, and are actually trapped in our world.
It can be argued that they actually do not care much for mortals unless they are worshipping them (which may actually give them sustenance, like food almost)or when Daedra attempt to dethrone them (which might even "kill" them because they can't feed off of mortal worship).
When you think about it, the Aedra are actually WEAKER than the Daedra. They cannot leave Mundus, not can they manifest themselves like other Daedra (Akatosh was only able to "manifest" with the combined power of the Amulet of Kings and Martin's soul. Even then, he only barely held back Dagon). That said, this may also explain why they cannot create many artifacts. This takes an amount of power and energy that they probably just can't waste on us.

In fact the Aeedra CAN be quite ruthless (or at least as much as their dismal power will let them). Take for instance Lorkhan. They ruthlessly ripped the deity's heart out and cast it aside when they discovered that they could not leave. Akatosh gifted mortals the power of Shouting to combat the Dragon Cult that were challenging their worship. The Amulet of kings was created to keep their bretheren from overrunning Nirn so they wouldn't (again) challenge their worship.

Aedric/Daedric artifacts are only created to help spread the influence of their respective creators. It's all a battle over who will dominate us. The truth is that, whether Aedra or Daedra, they are all out for their own selfish gain (I mean, who doesn't want to rule the entire races of men and mer?)

Honestly, I prefer Aedra. At least they don't have the power to make us slaves and can only hope that enough of us worship them.
*Face palms*

I skipped your 5th paragraph and when I went back over it I realized I basically just said what you said.:rolleyes: Sorry about that.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
I think there are way more Daedric than Aedric artefacts because they are both different beings with different aims. The Aedra don't seem to consider people pawns to manipulate or torment for the fun of it the way the Daedra do, and don't want to actively meddle in people's lives the way the Daedra do, so of course there will be a lot less Aedric weapons. Most of the Daedric weapons around you get as rewards for punishing people who have annoyed the Daedra, or by amusing or pleasing them in your interactions with other people.

It also doesn't bother me that there aren't as many cool and powerful weapons to play a good character with. This is going to sound strange, but I find it kind of empowering that if you decide to be a good person in Skyrim, it means you aren't going to get the coolest most powerful weapons in the game (unless you grind and perk smithing and enchanting, but that's a topic for a different thread). There are actual consequences for choosing to play that way.

On the whole, evil people are going to get more powerful items than good people because they don't care about consequences. Tell a good hero and an evil hero that they could get a massively powerful weapon and they'll both say cool. Then tell them it will need to be powered up with the freshly killed hearts of ten children and the good hero will decide they can live without the massively powerful weapon, and the evil hero will ask if there are ten children with hearts ready to harvest now or if they need to go and get some.
that's usually how it is with most games however the only difference with Aedra and daedra is that daedra did not participate in the creation of mundus or something whatever they believe, so not all daedra though are necceraly evil like meridian for instancec
Meridia is evil. She's a loud, bossy, obnoxious beast that feels she has the right to manipulate anyone in to doing her bidding. How is that not evil. As the elf mage in the Black Star quest states - the Daedra are ALL evil. They don't care who they hurt or anything about mortals at all (even the best of them) as long as their goals are met. We, as the character have a choice on what we want to do. We know going in who Molag Bol is, or Namia or Meridia or Azura, etc... We do not have to do what they tell us to do. Personally - my good characters simply do not participate in the evil activities, while my evil characters do. Sure Dawnbreaker is nice, but, so what? You're working for a Daedra. She even states that, if you refuse, there will always be someone else.
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
In game yes... In the whole TES universe...
Amulet of kings
Heart of lorkhan
Armour of Tiber Septim
Auriels bow
Auriels shield
Staff of magnus
Eye of magnus.
[Aetherium Staff/shield/crown] Pending

Yes i know its not as much as the daedras, but as its been mentioned above the Daedra appear much more frequently in mortal affairs than their Aedric counterparts.
I think there are way more Daedric than Aedric artefacts because they are both different beings with different aims. The Aedra don't seem to consider people pawns to manipulate or torment for the fun of it the way the Daedra do, and don't want to actively meddle in people's lives the way the Daedra do, so of course there will be a lot less Aedric weapons. Most of the Daedric weapons around you get as rewards for punishing people who have annoyed the Daedra, or by amusing or pleasing them in your interactions with other people.

It also doesn't bother me that there aren't as many cool and powerful weapons to play a good character with. This is going to sound strange, but I find it kind of empowering that if you decide to be a good person in Skyrim, it means you aren't going to get the coolest most powerful weapons in the game (unless you grind and perk smithing and enchanting, but that's a topic for a different thread). There are actual consequences for choosing to play that way.

On the whole, evil people are going to get more powerful items than good people because they don't care about consequences. Tell a good hero and an evil hero that they could get a massively powerful weapon and they'll both say cool. Then tell them it will need to be powered up with the freshly killed hearts of ten children and the good hero will decide they can live without the massively powerful weapon, and the evil hero will ask if there are ten children with hearts ready to harvest now or if they need to go and get some.
that's usually how it is with most games however the only difference with Aedra and daedra is that daedra did not participate in the creation of mundus or something whatever they believe, so not all daedra though are necceraly evil like meridian for instancec
Meridia is evil. She's a loud, bossy, obnoxious beast that feels she has the right to manipulate anyone in to doing her bidding. How is that not evil. As the elf mage in the Black Star quest states - the Daedra are ALL evil. They don't care who they hurt or anything about mortals at all (even the best of them) as long as their goals are met. We, as the character have a choice on what we want to do. We know going in who Molag Bol is, or Namia or Meridia or Azura, etc... We do not have to do what they tell us to do. Personally - my good characters simply do not participate in the evil activities, while my evil characters do. Sure Dawnbreaker is nice, but, so what? You're working for a Daedra. She even states that, if you refuse, there will always be someone else.
I absolutely Despise meridian because she Despises all Undead, I try to avoid doing her Daedric quest because I really don't Care for Her artifact as I usually play as Undead and some time ago the Bane of the Undead affect from that weapon killed my character when I used it
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
In game yes... In the whole TES universe...
Amulet of kings
Heart of lorkhan
Armour of Tiber Septim
Auriels bow
Auriels shield
Staff of magnus
Eye of magnus.
[Aetherium Staff/shield/crown] Pending

Yes i know its not as much as the daedras, but as its been mentioned above the Daedra appear much more frequently in mortal affairs than their Aedric counterparts.
that's usually how it is with most games however the only difference with Aedra and daedra is that daedra did not participate in the creation of mundus or something whatever they believe, so not all daedra though are necceraly evil like meridian for instancec
Meridia is evil. She's a loud, bossy, obnoxious beast that feels she has the right to manipulate anyone in to doing her bidding. How is that not evil. As the elf mage in the Black Star quest states - the Daedra are ALL evil. They don't care who they hurt or anything about mortals at all (even the best of them) as long as their goals are met. We, as the character have a choice on what we want to do. We know going in who Molag Bol is, or Namia or Meridia or Azura, etc... We do not have to do what they tell us to do. Personally - my good characters simply do not participate in the evil activities, while my evil characters do. Sure Dawnbreaker is nice, but, so what? You're working for a Daedra. She even states that, if you refuse, there will always be someone else.
I absolutely Despise meridian because she Despises all Undead, I try to avoid doing her Daedric quest because I really don't Care for Her artifact as I usually play as Undead and some time ago the Bane of the Undead affect from that weapon killed my character when I used it
I loathe her as well, but I usually do her quest, simply because it's so profitable. I calculated that I come out of there with a minimum of 3K hard cash every time (not including stuff to loot). Those defiled corpses carry a lot of cash for some reason. Dawnbreaker is fun though. I think I'll have to make sure to do it before i become a vampire lord though. Somehow, although I know she'll treat me like anyone else, she probably wouldn't approve. Of course, she could be dating Molag so vampires get an out?
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
In game yes... In the whole TES universe...
Amulet of kings
Heart of lorkhan
Armour of Tiber Septim
Auriels bow
Auriels shield
Staff of magnus
Eye of magnus.
[Aetherium Staff/shield/crown] Pending

Yes i know its not as much as the daedras, but as its been mentioned above the Daedra appear much more frequently in mortal affairs than their Aedric counterparts.
Meridia is evil. She's a loud, bossy, obnoxious beast that feels she has the right to manipulate anyone in to doing her bidding. How is that not evil. As the elf mage in the Black Star quest states - the Daedra are ALL evil. They don't care who they hurt or anything about mortals at all (even the best of them) as long as their goals are met. We, as the character have a choice on what we want to do. We know going in who Molag Bol is, or Namia or Meridia or Azura, etc... We do not have to do what they tell us to do. Personally - my good characters simply do not participate in the evil activities, while my evil characters do. Sure Dawnbreaker is nice, but, so what? You're working for a Daedra. She even states that, if you refuse, there will always be someone else.
I absolutely Despise meridian because she Despises all Undead, I try to avoid doing her Daedric quest because I really don't Care for Her artifact as I usually play as Undead and some time ago the Bane of the Undead affect from that weapon killed my character when I used it
I loathe her as well, but I usually do her quest, simply because it's so profitable. I calculated that I come out of there with a minimum of 3K hard cash every time (not including stuff to loot). Those defiled corpses carry a lot of cash for some reason. Dawnbreaker is fun though. I think I'll have to make sure to do it before i become a vampire lord though. Somehow, although I know she'll treat me like anyone else, she probably wouldn't approve. Of course, she could be dating Molag so vampires get an out?
or she could simply to weak-minded a daedra to recognize molag bals creation
 

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