How to be GOOD when a quest wants you to do BAD things?

Irishman said:

Mk people thanks very much for your input. Im pretty convince at this stage in Elenwens life, she is not going to steal just to sate someones appetite. Especially since that some1 is a person who she just met.

Now I have another question that again I would very much like to hear your opinions about. As some of you may know, im a bit of necromaniac on my other playthrough and a big part of the reason I wanted to create a brand new pure mage is becuase I wanted to thrall some npcs that are too high to thrall as Incubus.

However as iv played more and more as Elenwen, iv actually more gone down the road of atronachs, which is fine because you need to level conjuration to get the thrall spell somehow (other than dual casting bound sword in front of a mudcrab for 3hours). But iv been thinking...

Is being a necromancer bad or maybe even evil??

It sure sounds like it could be:

Killing powerful npcs
Raising thier dead moaning bodies
Storing corpses in a room in your house
Stripping carcases of thier clothes in order to enchant
Even when a thrall dies... again, they moan 'thankyou'

Any ideas?

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I have been trying to play a character that goes in for some necromancy, and have found the that I end up using more antronachs as well.
Obviously, necormancy would be , to a degree an unacceptable act (I wouldn't think that the loved ones of someone you reanimated would be thrilled about it), but, I would guess that it comes out of our Western culture's obsession with the dead (evidenced by our burial rituals, wakes, etc...). Even in SR it is noted a number of times that it is frowned upon.
Evil though? Not neccesarily. As a method of self protection - not evil. Out of vindictiveness - probably evil.

I would guess that humans would have a serious issue with necromancy and deem it evil (evidence the draugers are considered evil simply because they're the walking dead. Admittedly, they are trying to kill you, but that's more of a behavioural problem than an evil action. After all, the are "guarding" a tomb that you are desicrating).

I have to agree with the 4 incidences that you note. They're all pretty icky.

If its taught and sold at the college, and even the conjuration teacher says its ok, than it cant be that frowned upon. Obviously the nords dont like it but sheesh, trying to reason with those close minded people is near impossible!

As you mention Daelon, it theHUMANS that have the issues with. So maybe being an elf mage, necromancy is just as acceptable as fire magic.

I tend to avoid necromancy on characters who believe in the Nine Divines as I read on a loading screen that Arkay's priests hate necromancy and try to root it out. However, the traditional Elf Pantheon's don't include Arkay who is a human god, so again an Elf is more likely to think necromancy is okay.

Irishman said:

If its taught and sold at the college, and even the conjuration teacher says its ok, than it cant be that frowned upon. Obviously the nords dont like it but sheesh, trying to reason with those close minded people is near impossible!

As you mention Daelon, it theHUMANS that have the issues with. So maybe being an elf mage, necromancy is just as acceptable as fire magic.

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Actually, the conjuration teacher doesn't say it's OK, he actually says, while it is frowned upon in many places and needs to be kept hidden (on college property), it is not considered wrong by the mages in the college. There is no mention of it being illegal, but, just try walking in to any city or town towing a zombie (of any kind) (I've done it!) and watch the mayhem ensue. It's actually kind of funny. To me it looks like the reaction that folks had to Frankenstein and his monster.

Daelon DuLac said:

Irishman said:

If its taught and sold at the college, and even the conjuration teacher says its ok, than it cant be that frowned upon. Obviously the nords dont like it but sheesh, trying to reason with those close minded people is near impossible!

As you mention Daelon, it theHUMANS that have the issues with. So maybe being an elf mage, necromancy is just as acceptable as fire magic.

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Actually, the conjuration teacher doesn't say it's OK, he actually says, while it is frowned upon in many places and needs to be kept hidden (on college property), it is not considered wrong by the mages in the college. There is no mention of it being illegal, but, just try walking in to any city or town towing a zombie (of any kind) (I've done it!) and watch the mayhem ensue. It's actually kind of funny. To me it looks like the reaction that folks had to Frankenstein and his monster.

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Yeah im not sure why the citizens of Skyrim get so worried when i cruze around with a horde of undead.. hmm strange

the other day when i posted about the conjuration teacher, i went back to the college and had another interesting convo with him (actually he said the exact same thing, i just paid more attention!) And yeah be basically says what you quoted.

So the conclusion iv come up with is that necromancy isnt illigal, but is frowned upon. Although it is accepted on occasion, probably moreso among elves... hmmmm screw it, i love thralling too much to be worried if its socially the wrong thing to do and whether or not Elenwen is THAT type of elf. Perhaps i'll just be more discreet with my undead followers than on my previous playthrough.

Irishman said:

Daelon DuLac said:

Irishman said:

If its taught and sold at the college, and even the conjuration teacher says its ok, than it cant be that frowned upon. Obviously the nords dont like it but sheesh, trying to reason with those close minded people is near impossible!

As you mention Daelon, it theHUMANS that have the issues with. So maybe being an elf mage, necromancy is just as acceptable as fire magic.

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Actually, the conjuration teacher doesn't say it's OK, he actually says, while it is frowned upon in many places and needs to be kept hidden (on college property), it is not considered wrong by the mages in the college. There is no mention of it being illegal, but, just try walking in to any city or town towing a zombie (of any kind) (I've done it!) and watch the mayhem ensue. It's actually kind of funny. To me it looks like the reaction that folks had to Frankenstein and his monster.

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Yeah im not sure why the citizens of Skyrim get so worried when i cruze around with a horde of undead.. hmm strange

the other day when i posted about the conjuration teacher, i went back to the college and had another interesting convo with him (actually he said the exact same thing, i just paid more attention!) And yeah be basically says what you quoted.

So the conclusion iv come up with is that necromancy isnt illigal, but is frowned upon. Although it is accepted on occasion, probably moreso among elves... hmmmm screw it, i love thralling too much to be worried if its socially the wrong thing to do and whether or not Elenwen is THAT type of elf. Perhaps i'll just be more discreet with my undead followers than on my previous playthrough.

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For me, I don't have that big a problem with it (I'm playing an Altmer), I just find it disturbing that they thank me when their term ends and they go to ash. Just plain creepy. I have to stop and think - how would I like to be reanimated after death? Can't say that I would relish it. That's why I stick to reanimating non-human/mer/beast things like wolves, bears, drauger, vampires, gargoyles, etc... The list is endless. I actually enjoy reanimating gargoyles. They can come in quite handy.

Wildroses said:

I tend to avoid necromancy on characters who believe in the Nine Divines as I read on a loading screen that Arkay's priests hate necromancy and try to root it out. However, the traditional Elf Pantheon's don't include Arkay who is a human god, so again an Elf is more likely to think necromancy is okay.

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If Sahdira remembers her history it was the Mages Guild that banned it. Since the Mages Guild is no more it is no longer banned.

What a horrible day to try and be good

i thralled my 1st person today. An evil high elf by the name of Arondil. Seemed fitting he should be my 1st as he has done unspeakable things to women npcs and he is also a necromancer and a high elf.

things were going swimmingly with myself, arondil and follower jordis (i still cant figure out how to be an effective dest mage on legendary or even master so i need all the help i can get). Cruising through the wilderness of northern skyrim, avoiding settlements of people who would look down on my innocent elf for using nothing more than what i consider a permanant defensive/offensive buff (arondil). Until, due to my absent mindedness, i stumble across my home hold of haafinger.

Wandering across the dragon bridge, a guard abruptly yells out 'that spell looks dangerous'. Actually it sounded more like 'you elf, who has been terribly kind, courteous and generous to our entire hold of people... GET OUT YOU MONSTER, AND TAKE YOUR EVIL THRALL WITH YOU!' Highly embarresed and shocked, Elenwen turned around, sat on a stump and pondered this rude encounter.

What a pridicament... how to humanely rekill my thralls, because i obviously cannot stroll through the beautiful city of solitude, copping abuse from the many civis that call me friend on a regular basis.