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Black Ice

Like A Red Nose
it is the dragons advantage because they can fly, like a wasp killing a spider, if you clipped Alduins wings he would probably lose because in the air he moves to fast for their spells to make contact
Umm he's a bloody dragon. What is he supposed to do walk everywhere? Clipping his wings means you are handicapping him. That's like me saying take away miraaks shouts or harkons vl form. Your implying that miraak and harkon need two handicaps (dragonrend & clipping Alduins wings) in order to stand a chance? You just proved my case Alduin is the strongest of the three.
because he can fly, that is an unfair advantage to his enemies, he does not do as much damage as miraak does and he only has a little bit more health and that's not counting that miraak heals himself 3 times and is 50 levels higher than alduin at maximum

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon are meant to fly

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon were created by men to have wings

Alduin is a god

Dragon are meant to fly

Now you are calling it unfair because Alduin is a dragon and god as told in legends? Miraak is the first dragonborn and harkon a VL. Seriously? It's not unfair Alduin was born with the superior constitution.
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
Umm he's a bloody dragon. What is he supposed to do walk everywhere? Clipping his wings means you are handicapping him. That's like me saying take away miraaks shouts or harkons vl form. Your implying that miraak and harkon need two handicaps (dragonrend & clipping Alduins wings) in order to stand a chance? You just proved my case Alduin is the strongest of the three.
because he can fly, that is an unfair advantage to his enemies, he does not do as much damage as miraak does and he only has a little bit more health and that's not counting that miraak heals himself 3 times and is 50 levels higher than alduin at maximum

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon are meant to fly

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon were created by men to have wings

Alduin is a god

Dragon are meant to fly

Now you are calling it unfair because Alduin is a dragon and god as told in legends? Miraak is the first dragonborn and harkon a VL. Seriously? It's not unfair Alduin was born with the superior constitution.
Men created Dragons? and dragons are superior to Dragonborns? I don't see dragons absorbing the souls of countless dead dragons alduin is only good enough to absorb the souls of men in sovngarde while I absorbs the souls of dragons, alduins kin did not taste so superior when my character feasted on their souls now did they.
 

Black Ice

Like A Red Nose
I'm also done with this argument. I can back up every single thing I say with facts and sources and I'm only getting opinions back.

"Ok for the record, I know 10 year olds that play skyrim and know more than some adults that play it. I wasn't arguing their intelligence on the game. I was arguing how they show it in writing."

Wait, I'm honestly interested in why you think this. I've read hundreds of pages on UESP and haven't seen this a single time.
Simple.

All wiki pages can be edited. All you gotta do is sign up. That's one of the reason I hate using wikis. Some pages are detailed, others are not. Example? Compare the Alduin and Dragonborn pages.
 

Black Ice

Like A Red Nose
because he can fly, that is an unfair advantage to his enemies, he does not do as much damage as miraak does and he only has a little bit more health and that's not counting that miraak heals himself 3 times and is 50 levels higher than alduin at maximum

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon are meant to fly

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon were created by men to have wings

Alduin is a god

Dragon are meant to fly

Now you are calling it unfair because Alduin is a dragon and god as told in legends? Miraak is the first dragonborn and harkon a VL. Seriously? It's not unfair Alduin was born with the superior constitution.
Men created Dragons? and dragons are superior to Dragonborns? I don't see dragons absorbing the souls of countless dead dragons alduin is only good enough to absorb the souls of men in sovngarde while I absorbs the souls of dragons, alduins kin did not taste so superior when my character feasted on their souls now did they.
Miraak and harkon didn't taste so superior on YouTube when Alduin roasted them alive ;) now did they?

Your player controlled character is supposed to win. If they made Alduin unbeatable by the player the game would be no fun. This should be obvious.
 

Black Ice

Like A Red Nose
I'm also done with this argument. I can back up every single thing I say with facts and sources and I'm only getting opinions back.

"Ok for the record, I know 10 year olds that play skyrim and know more than some adults that play it. I wasn't arguing their intelligence on the game. I was arguing how they show it in writing."

Wait, I'm honestly interested in why you think this. I've read hundreds of pages on UESP and haven't seen this a single time.
Simple.

All wiki pages can be edited. All you gotta do is sign up. That's one of the reason I hate using wikis. Some pages are detailed, others are not. Example? Compare the Alduin and Dragonborn pages.

I already addressed the wiki thing. And that example proves nothing, there's nothing wrong with either article.
But seriously. I'm done.
Funny thing is. You complain about recieving only opinion yet you just gave one here

"There's nothing wrong with either article"

Well I found something wrong. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. :)
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon are meant to fly

Alduin is a immortal god

Dragon were created by men to have wings

Alduin is a god

Dragon are meant to fly

Now you are calling it unfair because Alduin is a dragon and god as told in legends? Miraak is the first dragonborn and harkon a VL. Seriously? It's not unfair Alduin was born with the superior constitution.
Men created Dragons? and dragons are superior to Dragonborns? I don't see dragons absorbing the souls of countless dead dragons alduin is only good enough to absorb the souls of men in sovngarde while I absorbs the souls of dragons, alduins kin did not taste so superior when my character feasted on their souls now did they.
Miraak and harkon didn't taste so superior on YouTube when Alduin roasted them alive ;) now did they?

Your player controlled character is supposed to win. If they made Alduin unbeatable by the player the game would be no fun. This should be obvious.
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long
 

Black Ice

Like A Red Nose
Men created Dragons? and dragons are superior to Dragonborns? I don't see dragons absorbing the souls of countless dead dragons alduin is only good enough to absorb the souls of men in sovngarde while I absorbs the souls of dragons, alduins kin did not taste so superior when my character feasted on their souls now did they.
Miraak and harkon didn't taste so superior on YouTube when Alduin roasted them alive ;) now did they?

Your player controlled character is supposed to win. If they made Alduin unbeatable by the player the game would be no fun. This should be obvious.
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long
Men created Dragons? and dragons are superior to Dragonborns? I don't see dragons absorbing the souls of countless dead dragons alduin is only good enough to absorb the souls of men in sovngarde while I absorbs the souls of dragons, alduins kin did not taste so superior when my character feasted on their souls now did they.
Miraak and harkon didn't taste so superior on YouTube when Alduin roasted them alive ;) now did they?

Your player controlled character is supposed to win. If they made Alduin unbeatable by the player the game would be no fun. This should be obvious.
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long

In lore kaarstag and the ebony warrior would not beat Alduin. Lore is more relevant here than in game mechanisms. But by all means believe what you want and go. And miraak got beat by Alduin even with hermaeus moras hax on him lol
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
Miraak and harkon didn't taste so superior on YouTube when Alduin roasted them alive ;) now did they?

Your player controlled character is supposed to win. If they made Alduin unbeatable by the player the game would be no fun. This should be obvious.
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long
Miraak and harkon didn't taste so superior on YouTube when Alduin roasted them alive ;) now did they?

Your player controlled character is supposed to win. If they made Alduin unbeatable by the player the game would be no fun. This should be obvious.
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long

In lore kaarstag and the ebony warrior would not beat Alduin. Lore is more relevant here than in game mechanisms. But by all means believe what you want and go.
since you replied back I will leave one last comment before I go, in lore I believe Miraak is more powerful than alduin, his only drawback is he cant fly
 

Black Ice

Like A Red Nose
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long

In lore kaarstag and the ebony warrior would not beat Alduin. Lore is more relevant here than in game mechanisms. But by all means believe what you want and go.
since you replied back I will leave one last comment before I go, in lore I believe Miraak is more powerful than alduin, his only drawback is he cant fly
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long
Alduin did not taste so superior when I saw karstagg kill him, how is it even if you kill alduin miraak can still overpower you when you first meet him explain that, infact like NippleofOdin said Seriosuly I'm Done this conversation has dragged onto long

In lore kaarstag and the ebony warrior would not beat Alduin. Lore is more relevant here than in game mechanisms. But by all means believe what you want and go.
since you replied back I will leave one last comment before I go, in lore I believe Miraak is more powerful than alduin, his only drawback is he cant fly
if that were true then how come in lore his cult was trashed by dragon weaker than Alduin? I think the power scale is self explanatory. If miraak could be Alduin he would have eliminated him and his dragon instead of hiding off in his feeble temple. Herma mora had to save him from getting pwned.
 

Dagmar

Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
nd so does the mind of a 12 year old who plays it 24/7 but that does not make them 100% accurate on it now does it, THE USEP is unofficial not official, if you want official information then read the skyrim official game guide
Right, because you can actually use the Disarming Bash perk with a bow. It must be so notwithstanding you can't actually do this because the official game guide says you can. :rolleyes:
 

Dagmar

Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
I should be giving you that facepalm.... most of the pages on usep look as if they've been written by eight year olds. And compare the info on Alduin from USEP to Elder scrolls wiki and the latter is clearly more detailed. Now it seems everyone is wrong because you are calling USEP official yet several other members don't.
This is simply ignorance and misinformation. Elder Scrolls Wikia is full of inaccurate information. UESP is exponentially more accurate about information on the games. The UESP site administrators had access to the game data before the Creation Kit was even released and used it for lots of the initial information on the site which has been further edited by contributors that have detailed knowledge on how to further verify game data through the Creation Kit. It's constantly patrolled, cite checked, fact checked and qualified where verification is needed. The standards of the Elder Scrolls Wikia site are the polar opposite. Patrolling is infrequent, misinformation pervades the site even after it's been pointed out for months (approaching years in some cases), it has skeletal citation, and the citation often doesn't even support the asserted content (in some cases it even contradicts it). The fact of the matter is that a lot of the false information about the Elder Scrolls games on the internet is perpetuated by the Elder Scrolls Wikia site.
 

Dagmar

Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
I'm pretty sure Alduin has only a 40% resistance to fire and a 20% weakness to frost.
Some NPC's have an NPC only Reduce Damage perk. Alduin has a a 0.50% Reduce Damage perk. You can see it on his SpellList tab on his Actor information window in the Creation Kit.

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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
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nd so does the mind of a 12 year old who plays it 24/7 but that does not make them 100% accurate on it now does it, THE USEP is unofficial not official, if you want official information then read the skyrim official game guide

The game guide itself actually has a few errors.
 

LotusEater

I brake for blue butterflies
I've been working on fighting every boss, including the Ebony Warrior, at level 81. Almost there. I'll report what I find since it's normally hard to gauge bosses since we tend to face them all at different levels, even within our own builds. I plan on facing them one after another once I hit 81.
 

Patches

Member
I found all of them quite easy, of course the only boss I faced TOTALLY ALONE was Miraak (Summon Durnehver wouldn't work for gods-know-why). I had Harkon's daughter chasing the Vampire Overlord around, spamming Ressurections on dead stuff while trying to outmatch her father's Vampiric Drain. And Alduin was complete weaksauce, like all other dragons I spam Dragon Rend and beat the pl*** out of them. Of course I had three other legendary heroes helping me. And with Miraak I hid behind books, attempted suicide once, then gathered the courage to beat one 'life' out of him then go back behind my books screaming like a little girl.
 

Muart

Fus.. RO DAH!
I play on Expert btw.

I think Miraak was the hardest, because 1. he regenerated health bunches of times and 2. he has freaking annoying shouts.

Alduin was pretty easy despite his deadly amount of damage output and health. Really, because you had the three heroes that helped you in Sovngarde, Alduin is very distracted.

Harkon was ****ing annoying with teleportation. So I would say :

1. Miraak
2. Harkon
3. Alduin
 

ShadowMage

Article Writer
I play the game on master mode as a tank warrior. IMO, Alduin is stupidly simple and easy to beat. Harkon is more challenging because he makes you use strategy, and Miraak actually can deal serious damage.

Alduin has a 50% resistance to fire and a 25% WEAKNESS to frost. His base health is 2250. The reason he's easy is because he is always distracted.

Harkon is a little easier stat wise, but not gameplay wise. He brings to life gargoyles, which are decent enemies. He teleports, making him a bastard.;) Plus, he has two ways of healing himself, making his 500 base health turn into maybe 1000 or so health if you let it. And at least this guy attacks you...

Miraak is where it can get challenging. He deals massive damage very quickly. If you are low enough level, he easily one shots you. he has around 700 base health, and heals up 3 times total at around 33% health.

Gameplay wise:
1. Miraak
2. Harkon
3. Alduin

Stat wise:
1. Alduin
2. Miraak
3. Harkon

Lore wise:
1. Miraak
2.Alduin
3. Harkon.
 

tx12001

I will not tolerate failure...
I play the game on master mode as a tank warrior. IMO, Alduin is stupidly simple and easy to beat. Harkon is more challenging because he makes you use strategy, and Miraak actually can deal serious damage.

Alduin has a 50% resistance to fire and a 25% WEAKNESS to frost. His base health is 2250. The reason he's easy is because he is always distracted.

Harkon is a little easier stat wise, but not gameplay wise. He brings to life gargoyles, which are decent enemies. He teleports, making him a bastard.;) Plus, he has two ways of healing himself, making his 500 base health turn into maybe 1000 or so health if you let it. And at least this guy attacks you...

Miraak is where it can get challenging. He deals massive damage very quickly. If you are low enough level, he easily one shots you. he has around 700 base health, and heals up 3 times total at around 33% health.

Gameplay wise:
1. Miraak
2. Harkon
3. Alduin

Stat wise:
1. Alduin
2. Miraak
3. Harkon

Lore wise:
1. Miraak
2.Alduin
3. Harkon.
Finally another who believes Miraak is more powerful then Alduin
 

LotusEater

I brake for blue butterflies
I play the game on master mode as a tank warrior. IMO, Alduin is stupidly simple and easy to beat. Harkon is more challenging because he makes you use strategy, and Miraak actually can deal serious damage.

Alduin has a 50% resistance to fire and a 25% WEAKNESS to frost. His base health is 2250. The reason he's easy is because he is always distracted.

Harkon is a little easier stat wise, but not gameplay wise. He brings to life gargoyles, which are decent enemies. He teleports, making him a bastard.;) Plus, he has two ways of healing himself, making his 500 base health turn into maybe 1000 or so health if you let it. And at least this guy attacks you...

Miraak is where it can get challenging. He deals massive damage very quickly. If you are low enough level, he easily one shots you. he has around 700 base health, and heals up 3 times total at around 33% health.

Gameplay wise:
1. Miraak
2. Harkon
3. Alduin

Stat wise:
1. Alduin
2. Miraak
3. Harkon

Lore wise:
1. Miraak
2.Alduin
3. Harkon.
Finally another who believes Miraak is more powerful then Alduin



Really? I thought that was a given. I look more forward to fighting through Skuldafn than Sovngarde. Sovngarde and the the duel with Alduin is boring as s**t.

In fact, the so-called climax against Alduin might be one of the biggest let downs I've ever encountered in gaming. Travel the region gathering all these ridiculous Shouts that basically crack the earth and what do we end up doing? Puffing away mist with little baby shouts only to watch hero's who have already had their day of glory (and f'ed it up no less) hog all action.
 

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