Homosexuals

sticky runes · Apr 22, 2013

Daryl Dixon said:
I would never hit a girl if they attacked me but if I saw this I don't know if I'd be able to stop myself. It's just freaking disgusting. All because they have a different sexual orientation.

If I saw this I'd use force to try and stop it, I don't mean punching I mean grabbing them and pulling them off the girls. But if they persisted I wouldn't lose sleep over throwing them to the ground.

People like that sicken me.

I avoid conflict and confrontation where ever I can, but if somebody does hassle me or somebody I care about, and they don't take the hint and back off, then I'll do what I have to to repel them, whether it's a man or woman, no exceptions.

shadowqueenMedea said:
Why do people think that gay marriage is going to somehow lead to some farmer out there marrying his horse? And why, OH GOOD GOD WHY, would anyone think that marrying an animal/pet is okay???

Okay, I see what people are trying to say here (be open-minded and equality for everyone and everything), but really think about what you're saying. Not only is that sickening, because the animal cannot consent to any kind sexual act and it would therefore be sexual abuse of an animal, but it could never happen anyway.

It's part of the implication that if we allowed gays to get married, then people could marry animals.... taking the anti-gay marriage argument to an absurd extreme. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because I don't think I've ever come across an animal (other than a human being) that can say: "I do".

Agreed. Bestiality and homosexuality should NOT be viewed in the same light.

I love my pets, but relationships that people have with pets is totally different from what we have with other humans.

Mighty Pecan Pie · Apr 22, 2013

Please be gay, straight, bisexual or a-sexual, be happy!

the only thing people should care about: being happy! make sure you are happy and try to make other people happy!

FullmetalHeart20 · Apr 22, 2013

Daryl Dixon said:
I would never hit a girl if they attacked me but if I saw this I don't know if I'd be able to stop myself. It's just freaking disgusting. All because they have a different sexual orientation.

If I saw this I'd use force to try and stop it, I don't mean punching I mean grabbing them and pulling them off the girls. But if they persisted I wouldn't lose sleep over throwing them to the ground.

People like that sicken me.

You know it's the 21st century, right? Equal rights comes with full contact defense.

SprSynJn · Apr 24, 2013

shadowqueenMedea said:
Why do people think that gay marriage is going to somehow lead to some farmer out there marrying his horse? And why, OH GOOD GOD WHY, would anyone think that marrying an animal/pet is okay???

Okay, I see what people are trying to say here (be open-minded and equality for everyone and everything), but really think about what you're saying. Not only is that sickening, because the animal cannot consent to any kind sexual act and it would therefore be sexual abuse of an animal, but it could never happen anyway.

It's part of the implication that if we allowed gays to get married, then people could marry animals.... taking the anti-gay marriage argument to an absurd extreme. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because I don't think I've ever come across an animal (other than a human being) that can say: "I do".

I think the idea behind that is the are no longer any lines that can be crossed. Love is supposed to be happy no matter who, or what, you are. While I have no real opinions on that, I find it funny that the same people who say gays can marry are the same people who condemn cousins from marrying in the south. Those are also the same people who blast any older man when he tries to marry an underage girl in another country, for example. Consent is given in both those cases, why are they not allowed?

An honest question now. Not trying to start an argument.

FullmetalHeart20 · Apr 24, 2013

At least concerning the underage thing, they supposedly lack the experience and maturity to give consent. However, the closer one gets to legal age the more it's overlooked. People usually only make a big deal over a couple of months or years if they simply don't approve of the person.

sticky runes · Apr 24, 2013

SprSynJn said:
I think the idea behind that is the are no longer any lines that can be crossed. Love is supposed to be happy no matter who, or what, you are. While I have no real opinions on that, I find it funny that the same people who say gays can marry are the same people who condemn cousins from marrying in the south. Those are also the same people who blast any older man when he tries to marry an underage girl in another country, for example. Consent is given in both those cases, why are they not allowed?

An honest question now. Not trying to start an argument.

If a person is underage, they are not physically developed enough to have sex, and adults should not be finding them sexually attractive. Adults should be attracted to sexually mature adults. The age restriction is there for protection. A mature gay man does not need to be protected from another mature gay man, if they both consent, then it's legally and morally acceptable.

But even if an underage person does consent to a relationship with an adult, they are basically allowing themselves to be taken advantage of.

The way I see it:
Incest is abusing your own family.
Pedophilia is abusing a child.
Bestiality is abusing an animal.

Homosexuality is not a form of rape or abuse unless it's a person advancing on a person who is not interested, and you can say the same about heterosexual perpetrators.

Medea · Apr 24, 2013

SprSynJn said:
I think the idea behind that is the are no longer any lines that can be crossed. Love is supposed to be happy no matter who, or what, you are. While I have no real opinions on that, I find it funny that the same people who say gays can marry are the same people who condemn cousins from marrying in the south. Those are also the same people who blast any older man when he tries to marry an underage girl in another country, for example. Consent is given in both those cases, why are they not allowed?

Incestuous relationships lead to birth defects. Having sex with someone who is underage is taking advantage of their inexperience and innocence. Granted, different states and countries have different age of consent laws, but as far as I'm concerned if there is a significant age difference, like a 40 year old man dating a 15 year old girl, the man is taking advantage of the girl, even if she "consents" to the relationship. This goes both ways, like when a hot 40 year old female teacher takes advantage of one of her high school students. People will have their dark fantasies about things like this. It's just human nature. As long as it stays a fantasy and doesn't become a reality.

A relationship between two non-related consenting adults of the same sex is not the same thing.

SprSynJn · Apr 24, 2013

I'm sorry gentlemen, but the only thing I'm hearing in your arguments is what society has told you to say. Thirty years ago people would be saying similar things about homosexuals. That nature has made it impossible for them to reproduce, etc. Today you say reasons like that are not valid reasons, but offer similar reasoning when arguing against points I've made. With all due respect, it sounds rather hypocritical.

Doctor Langstrom · Apr 24, 2013

SprSynJn said:
I'm sorry gentlemen, but the only thing I'm hearing in your arguments is what society has told you to say. Thirty years ago people would be saying similar things about homosexuals. That nature has made it impossible for them to reproduce, etc. Today you say reasons like that are not valid reasons, but offer similar reasoning when arguing against points I've made. With all due respect, it sounds rather hypocritical.

I believe humans aren't the only animals that frown upon incest. In a wolf pack, the son won't mate with his mother or sister. Basic instinct tells the male that doing so would or could produce offspring that most likely won't survive.

Two Bears · Apr 24, 2013

As a Christian I believe that the homosexual lifestyle is not what God intended for man. As an American it is clear that all citizens of my country are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That includes being able to marry the person you love. As we live in a civil society, said civic rule outweighs my personal religious belief. Bestiality comparisons are less than apt; we are talking about sexual attraction between two homo sapiens.

In short, homosexual marriage must be the law of the land if the words of the founding fathers are to mean anything. And I mean marriage, not civil unions. Brown v. Board of Education has taught us that separate but equal is never equal.

sticky runes · Apr 25, 2013

SprSynJn said:
I'm sorry gentlemen, but the only thing I'm hearing in your arguments is what society has told you to say. Thirty years ago people would be saying similar things about homosexuals. That nature has made it impossible for them to reproduce, etc. Today you say reasons like that are not valid reasons, but offer similar reasoning when arguing against points I've made. With all due respect, it sounds rather hypocritical.

You're not reading people's comments properly.

Incest, bestiality and pedophilia are forms of abuse. If two male humans, unrelated, and of a sexually mature age, become boyfriends, that's not abuse.

SprSynJn · Apr 25, 2013

sticky runes said:
You're not reading people's comments properly.

Incest, bestiality and pedophilia are forms of abuse. If two male humans, unrelated, and of a sexually mature age, become boyfriends, that's not abuse.

And you're not reading your own post properly.

If two cousins give consent, there is no abuse. If an underage girl of 16 WANTS to marry a man in his thirties because she loves him, there is no abuse. Simply put, the only abuse is what you think is there because of what society has told you. How else can this be said for you to grasp it?

Doctor Langstrom · Apr 25, 2013

SprSynJn said:
And you're not reading your own post properly.

If two cousins give consent, there is no abuse. If an underage girl of 16 WANTS to marry a man in his thirties because she loves him, there is no abuse. Simply put, the only abuse is what you think is there because of what society has told you. How else can this be said for you to grasp it?

There's abuse with concern to offspring, as far as the two cousins getting together are concerned. And what does a 16 year old girl or boy know about love anyway? I'm almost in my thirties and I still don't understand love and relationships.

Medea · Apr 25, 2013

SprSynJn said:
And you're not reading your own post properly.

If two cousins give consent, there is no abuse. If an underage girl of 16 WANTS to marry a man in his thirties because she loves him, there is no abuse. Simply put, the only abuse is what you think is there because of what society has told you. How else can this be said for you to grasp it?

So, what you're basically trying to say is that if someone doesn't have a problem with homosexuals getting married, then they should also support relationships of incest, bestiality and child abuse? Okay.

Doctor Langstrom · Apr 25, 2013

shadowqueenMedea said:
So, what you're basically trying to say is that if someone doesn't have a problem with homosexuals getting married, then they should also support relationships of incest, bestiality and child abuse? Okay.

Don't bring logic into this thread! How dare you!

Medea · Apr 25, 2013

Eleventh Doctor said:
Don't bring logic into this thread! How dare you!

Mookie · Apr 25, 2013

Daryl Dixon said:
I would never hit a girl if they attacked me but if I saw this I don't know if I'd be able to stop myself. It's just freaking disgusting. All because they have a different sexual orientation.

If I saw this I'd use force to try and stop it, I don't mean punching I mean grabbing them and pulling them off the girls. But if they persisted I wouldn't lose sleep over throwing them to the ground.

People like that sicken me.

Where is equality of sexes in that situation

?

Mookie · Apr 25, 2013

shadowqueenMedea said:
So, what you're basically trying to say is that if someone doesn't have a problem with homosexuals getting married, then they should also support relationships of incest, bestiality and child abuse? Okay.

Yes. Because to be honest those things are viewed the way homosexuality was viewed a hundred years ago.
So if you are fighting for freedom of love/sex/marriage then those things should be free to happen as well.

Medea · Apr 25, 2013

Mookie said:
Yes. Because to be honest those things are viewed the way homosexuality was viewed a hundred years ago.
So if you are fighting for freedom of love/sex/marriage then those things should be free to happen as well.

NO. That is taking the argument for gay marriage to an absurd extreme. This kind of argument is called ad absurdum:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ad+absurdum

It's like saying we can't allow people to have guns because then we would have to allow people to have nuclear weapons.

Doctor Langstrom · Apr 25, 2013

Do people honestly not know the difference between a person's sexual orientation and incest? Wow, that scares me.

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