Xbox 360 Seem to have *lost* smithing ability

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I feel like I'm loosing my mind. Here goes, from the top.

After my most recent visit to the vendors of Whiterun, I noticed that accidentally sold my followers ebony war ax. His was easily distinguishable by the damage rating, guess I wasn't paying attention. I use him as a pack mule and I must've grabbed the wrong one & payed no mind as I sold it. No worries, I figured the easiest solution was to just make another one. Hadn't even gotten around to enchanting it so it wasn't that big of a deal.

I use potions of fortify smithing *only* on items I intend to use and keep for myself or my followers. I really don't care to make potions & go through the hassle of using them for the tons of stuff I sell. So, I grab all my enchanted stuff (ring, necklace, gloves & blacksmith apron), some ebony, leather strips and ore to craft & improve his new war ax. I also grab a potion of fortify blacksmith.

Following are the relevant numbers. My four enchanted items each have 21% improvement to smithing. My potion adds an additional 86%. I know I could get higher numbers by selecting additional perks. I put a lot of thought into this and stopped investing such when I was able to improve leather/iron to legendary. I don't want to overpower myself and I find my tools & potions are adequate. The war ax I erroneously sold had a damage rating of 85. The identical item, prepped for sale (improved using only gear, not potions) has a damage rating of 62.

Despite donning all relevant gear and consuming the potion - the improved item that I intended to replace the one I erroneously sold had a damage rating of 62. Yes, I checked SEVERAL times that all the stuff was equipped and I was chugging the right stuff. It doesn't make *any* sense because items I have for sale, made using the same gear & without potions, in the ACTIVE GAME FILE have the same damage rating. I have 2 ebony war axes for sale in my stash with the damage rating of 62. Frustratingly enough, the same ax I can make now without potions has a damage rating of like 43. I know that I didn't use potions to create the ones in my sale stash & I know Marcurio had one with 85.

I have been contemplating this and making sure all the ducks are in a row for over an hour, and trying to figure out what the problem is. I loaded a previous saves for a variety of reasons. I confirmed Marcurio's ax stats at several points and even found where it went from 62 to 85 (sort of, I tend to use the same slot for a while).

Now, here is where I get even more frustrated. I was racking my mind for things that could impact smithing. I researched potions, there are no retail potions that are more powerful than the ones I make so there's no chance I used one and got that effect. While my enchanting gear is about half of what "peerless" is, I don't think (though it's possible) that I used such a piece of gear. If I did, then I sold it because I don't have it any more. The list of things I don't sell is fairly long, and on that list is enchanted stuff I didn't make. I just keep it, don't know why ;). If there was a more powerful item that I stumbled upon, I would have likely kept & used it - rather than just sticking to my set. I don't have any stronger items enchanted for smithing. I recalled the quest that gives "ancient knowledge" and did some research on that. I know I had it at some point but it's not showing in my active powers, nor is the quest in my log. I swear, I had both the power and the quest in my log after level 55 (I'm level 60 now) - but now it doesn't appear to show up anywhere.

Here are my questions, if you care to contemplate them with me:

1) Anyone else have any record or experience of loosing skill/ability?

2) Anyone know anything about quests/powers falling off?

3) I think I read that the Ancient Knowledge power, though the verbiage says 15% learning bonus, it's more of a skill bonus - so it may coincide with my lack of skills lately if it did fall off. Can someone confirm this (exactly what Ancient Knowledge does/is at it pertains to smithing)? I may try to go and find/complete that quest again, to see if that helps.

4) I have dawnguard, hearthfire & dragonborn - in case that matters

5) I have rarely seen an item glitch and not serve it's purpose. I've had deer hides that couldn't be turned to leather. Just sold them, no worries. Is there a chance that one of my enchanted items glitched? Stopped working, effectively died? Anyone experience this? I noted that "fortify smithing" was stated twice at one point citing the ring - but there was no mention of the necklace. Never really payed that much attention to it. Closing it out, re-equipping & checking again showed all items in effect but still the same crappy skill level. I also hope to re-enchant a full set to see if that helps.

6) Anything I may be overlooking?
 

MrDSL

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Ancient knowledge enables smithing to increase 15% faster..it doesn't add to the skill or make smithing more powerful..

Couple things I've noticed when equipping items I take out of a chest they don't apply so I always reequip my smithing gear..

Also I wear gear that adds to my one handed damage so when I use my smithing gear my dam appears less then what it was before.

It took me awhile to figure out that my dam went down cause I had my smithing gear on and I was missing my dam bonus..maybe that's why its less?
 

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MrDSL - you are a genius & I am a spaz! There's an hour of my life I'll never get back. At least it makes sense, sort of. I hate it when things don't make sense & I spent forever trying to find the issue. I just kept trying to give Marcurio his new ax & noted it wasn't the same. Of course it wouldn't be if I had my fortify smithing gloves, rather than my dragonscale gauntlets which *are* enchanted for one-handed. I find it even funnier that I probably didn't even sell his ax after all. Oh, the agony :p. Oh, all the questing I could have done trying to fix an imaginary issue.

I don't think the power or the quest "fell off". It appears that I may have went back right around level 57, which is why one of the files shows the power & quest while the other doesn't. I backtrack from time to time, I usually try to keep files clean but I missed a spot. Just a few levels ago and I can't recall why I went back, probably to avoid some glitch. I try to keep my game as glitch free as possible, I read "bugs" on the wiki before I start any quest or explore any area I'm not familiar with, oh - and I don't pick up named items before being directed to do so.

Yippeeee!!! Was hoping it was something stupid I was overlooking, glad that it is :). Thanks again!
 

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