Connecticut Shooting

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Andante

Roleplaying Moderator
You're right: blowing holes through anyone you feel threatend by is rediculous. That's precisely what's wrong with my idea. However, I believe that most people would not resort to shooting someone because they feel threatened or don't like someone. For me at least, a gun's presence alone is incentive enough not to mess with them. Remember that I'm talking about handguns and concealed weapons, not automatic weapons: civillians have no business owning automatic weapons. No one outside of a militairy base or a warzone has business carrying an automatic weapon. If there were a way to get rid of all the guns in this country quicky and effectlvely I would be the first to support it, but as of now there isn't. Banning guns would probably just move the arms business underground just like with prohibition. It wouldn't address the guns already here and there are probably millions of them. The government would have to search every house and every building in order to find them all and that would take a huge amount of time and manpower: enough to where it wouldn't be practical.

I feel that we could reach for some common ground Andante, but we should probably drop the subject before one of us gets angry. I'm willing to stop now, while we're both still civil.

No worries, I wasn't going to go militant on the subject. No need to worry like that. I'm perfectly capable of carrying out a decent debate.
 

Simus

An Excellent Site Member
That's good to hear. You never know how people will react to such issues so I feel it's best to brandish an olive branch, you know?
 

Chowder138

Proud member of PAHAAA.
I read that he also killed his mother. Because I really like everyone on here, and I'm grossly outnumbered, I shall keep my opinion of US gun laws to myself but something has got to be done.

As much as it may seem the opposite, abolishing guns will be, at the very least, counter-intuitive. Same with abortion. The honest citizens will be unable to defend themselves, and the criminals (You know, the ones that actually use the guns) will still manufacture and obtain them. The guns will be far more crude and unreliable, but they'll have guns. Their victims won't be able to do plops.
 

Chowder138

Proud member of PAHAAA.
The gun laws in this country are a joke. Okay, you want to hunt. Fine, get your permit and get a rifle. The type of gun that is designed for hunting. You want to protect yourself and your family, fine, get a permit and a handgun.

But, automatic weapons? Really? Those type of firearms do not need to be owned by the general public. Sorry. I almost laugh when people say 'Now is not the time to be talking about how we fluffed up again as a country'. No. Now is the PERFECT time. It is just too damn easy to get guns in this country. And I'm talking about the type of guns that, as I've already said, regular citizens have no business owning.

And no, this is not how our world works. This is something that we should NEVER EVER allow to become the norm. And never going to happen? It has happened. School shootings happening every few years is too much. It shouldn't be happening at all.

I was under the assumption that ownership of any automatic weapon, at all, was completely illegal. I guess I was wrong.
 

Chowder138

Proud member of PAHAAA.
You're right: blowing holes through anyone you feel threatend by is rediculous. That's precisely what's wrong with my idea. However, I believe that most people would not resort to shooting someone because they feel threatened or don't like someone. For me at least, a gun's presence alone is incentive enough not to mess with them. Remember that I'm talking about handguns and concealed weapons, not automatic weapons: civillians have no business owning automatic weapons. No one outside of a militairy base or a warzone has business carrying an automatic weapon. If there were a way to get rid of all the guns in this country quicky and effectlvely I would be the first to support it, but as of now there isn't. Banning guns would probably just move the arms business underground just like with prohibition. It wouldn't address the guns already here and there are probably millions of them. The government would have to search every house and every building in order to find them all and that would take a huge amount of time and manpower: enough to where it wouldn't be practical.

I feel that we could reach for some common ground Andante, but we should probably drop the subject before one of us gets angry. I'm willing to stop now, while we're both still civil.

Honestly, I think it would be for the best if everyone had access to some kind of firearm (I know this isn't plausible when we're borrowing 40% of our money, but still). Who's going to be stupid enough to try and rob someone that they know has a gun as well? I've met some pretty stupid people, but my guess would be nobody.
 

Andante

Roleplaying Moderator
I was under the assumption that ownership of any automatic weapon, at all, was completely illegal. I guess I was wrong.

No. In the U.S.A. the federal government does not expressly forbid the ownership of any type of firearm. While some states may have laws that regulate or limit the use of certain types, there are none that are completely illegal. Hell flamethrowers are completely, and 100% legal. Depending on where you live in the U.S. you can ALMOST own any type of firearm you want, and legally.
 

Crooksin

Glue Sniffer
Why do you think America's firearm homicide rate is so high in the first place? BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO ONE! I know you can walk around in public with a semi-auto (I'm not sure about Auto but I wouldn't doubt it) MP5 hanging off your side, what the fluff is the point of that? Handing out more guns to deal with guns is only putting more guns in the hands of the wrong people. If this guy could get a M4 so easily, by this logic he wouldn't have even had to steal it from his Mom.

There needs to be more tightening on gun laws, but in the right way. In Canada, our gun laws are pretty strict, and to own one is actually quite a lengthy process to the point where only the gun enthusiasts end up going through. This is a good thing, I don't want to walk down the street knowing everyone else on that same street has the potential to kill me at their whim, whether they will or not. This causes public unrest and paranoia which you will find to be much worse than the guns themselves.

To stop mass murderers like this one, more attention needs to be brought to the killers, and not the tools they use to kill. Fully auto weapons have no business being in the hands of any civilian for whatever reason. The whole reason why America is in the firearm mess it is in the first place is because you all take your 2nd Amendment to heart, you feel you need a gun to protect yourself. While that may be true to some extent, its only putting more guns in more hands and things like this will continue happening. The 2nd Amendment was created a couple hundreds years ago in a time where you could walk down the street and get shot, the very reason why the gun law is how it is. I've always thought it was time to revise that Amendment of yours to suit the times.

I don't know how any of you people believe armed teachers is a good idea tbh. The thought of my kid's teacher armed with a gun around him/her at all times would not sit well with me at all. You're creating a violent society and doing so will breed much worse killers then this.
 

Lady Imp

Rabid Wolverine
You know, I read a rather interesting article last night about how gun ownership in the UK is on the rise, but firearm homicides have gone down...maybe it's not out gun laws that are the issue, but our culture?

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Omega Dragon

Active Member
I think having armed teachers, just in case, is a terrific idea. Maybe this whole thing could have been avoided. The only cause for concern is the fact that a lot of times the kids push their teachers over the edge. How would the teacher react, having a gun in their desk.

Avoided, probably not...but the casualties could have been less. But I do agree, what if a student were to really get all up in a teacher's face? I saw it happen in HS, and I went to a relatively well-behaved one. I wouldn't doubt that some of those kids would at the very least have found themselves pistol-whipped if the teachers were packing.

Not only that, but I know that inner-city schools have metal detectors to deter the students from bringing weapons in...how would the teachers get around that? And what would stop some rogue kid from wrestling a teacher for a gun and start opening fire?

Usually, kids get up in their teacher's face because they know they can get away with it...


Excuse my ignorance as I don't know how it works south of the border, but are gun control laws different state to state?

Yes, significantly so.

The gun laws in this country are a joke. Okay, you want to hunt. Fine, get your permit and get a rifle. The type of gun that is designed for hunting. You want to protect yourself and your family, fine, get a permit and a handgun.

But, automatic weapons? Really? Those type of firearms do not need to be owned by the general public. Sorry. I almost laugh when people say 'Now is not the time to be talking about how we fluffed up again as a country'. No. Now is the PERFECT time. It is just too damn easy to get guns in this country. And I'm talking about the type of guns that, as I've already said, regular citizens have no business owning.

And no, this is not how our world works. This is something that we should NEVER EVER allow to become the norm. And never going to happen? It has happened. School shootings happening every few years is too much. It shouldn't be happening at all.

First of all, no one in their serious mind uses a full-auto. Secondly, the larger the ammo capacity the easier it is for a gun to jam.

Exactly. Times have changed. When the 2nd Amendment was put into place, we had f***ing muskets. Not anymore. It's time for a revision. I have nothing against people wanting to protect themselves with a handgun, or to go hunting with a rifle. That's fine. There is no damn reason to have an automatic weapon when you are among and part of the general public.

Go ahead, revise the second amendment. It won't stop plops, except for the law-abiding citizen working to defend themselves from government like in the James Holmes case.

And I completely agree, the less guns in the equation is for the better. In Canada, automatic weapons are banned and that would probably explain why when something like this happens here (there very very very little shootings and I can only think of one school shooting in Canada off the top of my head), the casualties are much, much lower. But you have Americans who take the 2nd Amendment to the extreme and forget that it was made in the 1700s or 1800s (I'm not too sure tbh) where you HAD to have a weapon on you because it was dangerous.

The guns may have been registered in his mother's name, but I'm talking for future assailants, I know the guy at Aurora bought all his weapons legally in his own name. Banning auto weapons may bring the casualties down a bit, but its not going to fix the problem. More attention needs to be on people with a history/showing signs of mental illness, and not brushed off as a phase or something like that.

Actually, James Holmes didn't buy anything in his own name. He wasn't even the shooter. All he was, was a med student that got involved in some mind-altering experiments at his university and like the Swedish shooter was more than likely framed by the government (CIA, NSA, FBI, take your pick) whom has been declared insane so they can cover that plops up. Even if here were the shooter, he had no way to afford everything they said he was equipped with (never mind that the actual shooting didn't even involve a full-auto).


Yeah, really?

There are more than 80 million gun owners within the United States, and not a single one has ever shot anyone. How's that math working out for you?

Okay Jersey, that's a little much. There's a fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

I'm glad this guy shot himself after killing these poor kids. He saved the taxpayers a lot of money and now we can have a trial for someone else, someone who deserves to be heard. I simply don't understand how someone could be posessed by such madness. It's as if he never stopped to question his actions or think about what he could possibly gain from doing this. I just don't get it. It also makes me very sad to know that once people get to this point they are beyond redemption. You just can't save someone this screwed up, you've got to help them sooner while there's a chance to get them right. I really feel bad about the kids and teachers that survived the shooting. The adults are going to carry this pain for the rest of their lives, even if they learn to live with it. The children will probably be okay but there's going to be a lot of nightmares before that happens. God watch over all of them.

As for gun control, I say ban anything that's not a concealed weapon, a hunting rifle or a handgun. Then make these three items much easier to get. The theory behind this is everyone's packing so everyone has some protection against a threat like this. If he fires at you, fire right back. I feel that would save more lives that not, at least in the long run. Plus, with more limited armament, you can't have one guy shoot twenty people in a few minutes just by spraying a room with bullets. It takes more time to aim, shoot and load a handgun and that would give others more time to respond.

Most of you may not agree with me but consider this: people are a lot less likely to make trouble if they know everyone else is armed: an armed society is a polite society.

Yeah, he really saved everyone money by shooting himself. Just like James Holmes being declared insane, his testimony can never be used in the court of law to name the actual perpetrator of the crime, especially since there were early accounts of a second shooter now being removed by the media.

And what if one of the school staff, who now have their own firearm and became unhinged? Or what if a whole group of them were pissed off at someone else and decided to go on rampage?

What if? That's much more easily done in a gun free zone. I've lived in many environments, but I will NEVER again live in a gun free zone for good reason: it's much easier to commit crime in any such environment.

But What is the Question we are all asking about this?

...It's "Why Did he do this horrible thing?"

Are we Seriously Answering this with "Because he got his hands on a Gun, Case Solved"...?

Of course.

Most really don't want to seriously contemplate that this guy committed suicide to prevent someone from being connected.

Granted my comment before was a little sarcastic, we're just not going to find common ground on this issue. The answer to gun violence is to hand out more guns, really? Make them easier to get? So instead of preventing gun violence in the first place, we should put guns in the hands of teachers - the ones responsible for teaching children and being a role model - and let children learn that it's perfectly acceptable to carry a deadly weapon and blow holes through anyone they feel threatened by? That's ridiculous.

Absofluffinglutely.

Did you know after AutoZone fired a man for using a gun to save his employer's life by killing a robber, several other AutoZones were targeted since then? Probably not. Or how about how Atlanta is home to the worst crime rates in the world (same was true of D.C.), despite its antigun laws? All the while cities like Kennesaw where guns are not only legal in all their variances, but gun ownership is encouraged, gun-related crime rates have significantly decreased.

Every single person should be armed as a soldier should. There's no reason why one body of humans should be legally more powerful than another, especially when one of them entails a job which is of such danger to civilization as a military.

No. In the U.S.A. the federal government does not expressly forbid the ownership of any type of firearm. While some states may have laws that regulate or limit the use of certain types, there are none that are completely illegal. Hell flamethrowers are completely, and 100% legal. Depending on where you live in the U.S. you can ALMOST own any type of firearm you want, and legally.

Assault rifles are banned in Massachusetts. Guns were completely banned in D.C. for decades.

Why do you think America's firearm homicide rate is so high in the first place? BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO ONE! I know you can walk around in public with a semi-auto (I'm not sure about Auto but I wouldn't doubt it) MP5 hanging off your side, what the fu** is the point of that? Handing out more guns to deal with guns is only putting more guns in the hands of the wrong people. If this guy could get a M4 so easily, by this logic he wouldn't have even had to steal it from his Mom.

There needs to be more tightening on gun laws, but in the right way. In Canada, our gun laws are pretty strict, and to own one is actually quite a lengthy process to the point where only the gun enthusiasts end up going through. This is a good thing, I don't want to walk down the street knowing everyone else on that same street has the potential to kill me at their whim, whether they will or not. This causes public unrest and paranoia which you will find to be much worse than the guns themselves.

To stop mass murderers like this one, more attention needs to be brought to the killers, and not the tools they use to kill. Fully auto weapons have no business being in the hands of any civilian for whatever reason. The whole reason why America is in the firearm mess it is in the first place is because you all take your 2nd Amendment to heart, you feel you need a gun to protect yourself. While that may be true to some extent, its only putting more guns in more hands and things like this will continue happening. The 2nd Amendment was created a couple hundreds years ago in a time where you could walk down the street and get shot, the very reason why the gun law is how it is. I've always thought it was time to revise that Amendment of yours to suit the times.

Atlanta says otherwise. Our capital also differs with you. Kennsaw. Detroit. New York City. I could go on, but the worst cities in the U.S., crimerate-wise, have the biggest gun control laws. Also, there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon", only an "Assault Rifle".

P.S. Folks: keep in mind all the recent shootings had a second perpetrator, and in this case eye witness accounts claim it was someone in a nun's uniform.

Oh and here:

Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China - World News


Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China
BEIJING -- A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on children in the country.




The man attacked the children at the gate of a school in Chenpeng village in Henan province, the Xinhua news agency reported.

Police arrested a 36-year-old man, identified as villager Min Yingjun, Xinhua said. It did not give further details of the extent of the injuries.
 

Chowder138

Proud member of PAHAAA.
Okay Jersey, that's a little much. There's a fine line between vigilance and paranoia.

I'm glad this guy shot himself after killing these poor kids. He saved the taxpayers a lot of money and now we can have a trial for someone else, someone who deserves to be heard. I simply don't understand how someone could be posessed by such madness. It's as if he never stopped to question his actions or think about what he could possibly gain from doing this. I just don't get it. It also makes me very sad to know that once people get to this point they are beyond redemption. You just can't save someone this screwed up, you've got to help them sooner while there's a chance to get them right. I really feel bad about the kids and teachers that survived the shooting. The adults are going to carry this pain for the rest of their lives, even if they learn to live with it. The children will probably be okay but there's going to be a lot of nightmares before that happens. God watch over all of them.

As for gun control, I say ban anything that's not a concealed weapon, a hunting rifle or a handgun. Then make these three items much easier to get. The theory behind this is everyone's packing so everyone has some protection against a threat like this. If he fires at you, fire right back. I feel that would save more lives that not, at least in the long run. Plus, with more limited armament, you can't have one guy shoot twenty people in a few minutes just by spraying a room with bullets. It takes more time to aim, shoot and load a handgun and that would give others more time to respond.

Most of you may not agree with me but consider this: people are a lot less likely to make trouble if they know everyone else is armed: an armed society is a polite society.

This right here.
 

Chowder138

Proud member of PAHAAA.
What if? That's much more easily done in a gun free zone. I've lived in many environments, but I will NEVER again live in a gun free zone for good reason: it's much easier to commit crime in any such environment.

Absofluffinglutely.

Did you know after AutoZone fired a man for using a gun to save his employer's life by killing a robber, several other AutoZones were targeted since then? Probably not. Or how about how Atlanta is home to the worst crime rates in the world (same was true of D.C.), despite its antigun laws? All the while cities like Kennesaw where guns are not only legal in all their variances, but gun ownership is encouraged, gun-related crime rates have significantly decreased.

Every single person should be armed as a soldier should. There's no reason why one body of humans should be legally more powerful than another, especially when one of them entails a job is of such danger to civilization as a military.


Assault rifles are banned in Massachusetts. Guns were completely banned in D.C. for decades.


Atlanta says otherwise. Our capital also differs with you. Kennsaw. Detroit. New York City. I could go on, but the worst cities in the U.S., crimerate-wise, have the biggest gun control laws. Also, there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon", only an "Assault Rifle".

Finally someone understands. It took me a while but I understand what "A polite society is an armed society" means. We're not going to bring down crime by restricting guns, it's going to go up. I mean, do you seriously fluffing believe that criminals buy guns legally anyway? Hell no.
 

Simus

An Excellent Site Member
Finally someone understands. It took me a while but I understand what "A polite society is an armed society" means. We're not going to bring down crime by restricting guns, it's going to go up. I mean, do you seriously f***ing believe that criminals buy guns legally anyway? Hell no.

Unfortunately they do not. That's the point I've been trying to make. Criminals will always find ways to have guns. That's the way it is. Expecting all guns to disappear just because you ban them is both foolish and naive.
 

Medea

The Shadow Queen

I'm about as liberal as you can be, but this kind of argument can be countered, with this:

Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crime in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry everybody, but the guns in America aren't the problem. As an American, I'm ashamed to say this, but we are simply a violent culture. Taking away guns will do nothing, because criminals can ALWAYS get their hands on illegal assault weapons. The only ones who would be sufficiently armed after policy like that are the military, the police, and the criminals.
 

Crooksin

Glue Sniffer
Actually, James Holmes didn't buy anything in his own name. He wasn't even the shooter. All he was, was a med student that got involved in some mind-altering experiments at his university and like the Swedish shooter was more than likely framed by the government (CIA, NSA, FBI, take your pick) whom has been declared insane so they can cover that pl*** up. Even if here were the shooter, he had no way to afford everything they said he was equipped with (never mind that the actual shooting didn't even involve a full-auto).

I'm going to need to see some evidence or anything really to even remotely believe your outlandish claim of it being a government conspiracy. >.<

Atlanta says otherwise. Our capital also differs with you. Kennsaw. Detroit. New York City. I could go on, but the worst cities in the U.S., crimerate-wise, have the biggest gun control laws. Also, there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon", only an "Assault Rifle".

Assault rifles vs. Assault weapons

In United States politics and law, an assault weapon is a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
  • a folding or telescoping stock
  • a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
  • a bayonet mount
  • a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
  • a grenade launcher
P.S. Folks: keep in mind all the recent shootings had a second perpetrator, and in this case eye witness accounts claim it was someone in a nun's uniform.

Source? The media had initially reported in Aurora and Connecticut that there was second shooter, but then again when something like this happens it's pure chaos so I'm not really going to hold it against them. Unless you got something concrete, I'm going to shake it off as another wild conspiracy theory.
 

Omega Dragon

Active Member
I'm not even worried about the whole polite society thing of the debate.

Governments have proven to be just as culpable as any criminal/"terrorist" organization, and how could they not be? They're no more human than any 'terrorist' or crime lord, or the law-abiding citizen. They should be held accountable by the same degree as anyone else, and that means ensuring private individuals be allowed to carry and use the same equipment the military can.


I'm going to need to see some evidence or anything really to even remotely believe your outlandish claim of it being a government conspiracy. >.<

Alright.

Let's start with the most basic stuff. This is the "think about it" step.

1. James Holmes was not declared: guilty, not guilty, or innocent. Merely, insane. At no point did he receive an appropriate defense. It's equivalent to telling someone, "we think you're guilty but we have no proof of it. So we're going to allow you to plead insane." Everyone's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, that it is the prosecution's duty to prove someone guilty - not the defense's job to prove innocence or not guilty.

2. Where the shooter was reported to have immediately left and return with his equipment, which was the fire exit, there was no fire alarm going off. He also could not have opened it from the outside, as anyone that's ever been to a movie theater should know.

3. The shooter immediately surrendered after being caught by the police. No fight whatsoever. The shooter also told the police his house was booby-trapped.

4. As I already stated, eyewitness accounts reported a second man.

5. A med student couldn't even have afforded a semi-auto on his own to begin with, and James Holmes was unemployed to boot. It's even unlikely he'd have been able to use his school loans to cover for any of the gear, as well.

5b1. Furthermore, if James Holmes were the shooter and bought every single piece of equipment, legally or otherwise, where were the red flags? Someone had to be tracking him, "national security" and all that in the post-9/11 world. You don't just walk anywhere, even via an underground market, expecting to buy such heavy equipment. Ever. Combine this with the fact he was involved in a variety of dangerous chemicals as a med student.

5b2. James Holmes' own psychiatrist, Lynne Fenton, reported to campus police about concerns over one of her own patients. Despite that he quit seeing her after June 11th, he supposedly mailed a notebook to her later. The same psychiatrist later had her information removed from the University of Colorado website.

5c. On the other hand, the FBI & DHS did warn as early as May of "terrorists planning to attack a movie theater..." - This same warning was removed sometime after.

5d. TacticalGears.com, the website the tactical gear was supposedly bought from, reported no suspicious order from the James Holmes suspect!

6. Both James Holmes & Adam Lanza are connected to the Libor scandal: Peter Lanza (Adam's father), a tax director for General Electric, was scheduled to testify in the Libor case; Robert Holmes (James' father) was set to be a Libor witness for his position at FICO.

7. Gun owners should know that the reported rifles produce a much higher lethal rate than the Death-to-Injury rate given in the theater shooting.

8. Nurse Jenny Gallagher, whom assisted with the Aurora victims and met Barack Obama during, died to drowning later.

9. Why would the University of Colorado be advised to cover up any of James Holmes' emails?

10. James Holmes, despite being called out as a loner, had a girlfriend not far back it appears.

Assault rifles vs. Assault weapons

In United States politics and law, an assault weapon is a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
  • a folding or telescoping stock
  • a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
  • a bayonet mount
  • a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
  • a grenade launcher
Ergo, it was created out of thin-air. Assault weapon is just a catch-all term for politicians and gun control nuts that couldn't even pick the difference between a semi-auto and a full-auto rifle.

Source? The media had initially reported in Aurora and Connecticut that there was second shooter, but then again when something like this happens it's pure chaos so I'm not really going to hold it against them. Unless you got something concrete, I'm going to shake it off as another wild conspiracy theory.

The nun stuff seems to have already been expunged, albeit if you do a Google search, you can see in the details below the links of information relating to a nun or two.

Sandy Hook shooting: Possible second gunman in custody - The Washington Post



It seems the server isn't allowing me to post everything, but has to be bit-by-bit instead. So give me time to see what I can get through.
 

Omega Dragon

Active Member
Now for the second part. Generally, the links should turn into titles once I post this so it shouldn't be too hard to find what you want 'spite the lack of organization below (I'll get to it later if anyone wants).

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Who is Photoshopping Colorado's Crime Scene? - Salem-News.Com

Aurora Massacre: Stick Figures!? You&#8217;ve Gotta be fl*ffing Kidding Me &laquo; American Everyman

Aurora theater shooting court documents blows inside job conspiracy wide open - Denver Conspiracy | Examiner.com

Aurora Movie Theater Shooting: Suspect's Lawyers To Subpoena Fox News Reporter Jana Winter

James Holmes hearing: Fox News reporter to be subpoenaed about notebook leak - Denver - News - The Latest Word

James Holmes: School Advised to Cover-Up on... | Gather

7NEWS - CU has released thousands of emails regarding accused Aurora theater shooter James Holmes - News Story

Colorado Batman Shooting Shows Obvious Signs Of Being Staged

FBI and DHS Warned in May of Terrorists Planning to Attack Movie Theaters -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net


"Holmes' Father Is Anti-Fraud Scientist" by News Ticker | San Diego Reader

EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Dr. Lynne Fenton's Bio that was Deleted from U of Colorado

James Holmes' psychiatrist went to cops with concerns about a patient - The Denver Post



Colorado Shooting: We Have Been Lied To- Proof :

Jennifer Gallagher, Nurse Who Cared For Aurora Shooting Victims, Drowns In Iowa At Lake Okoboji

Aurora theater shooting: Bizarre court filing blames massacre on police chief, Illuminati - Denver - News - The Latest Word - Page 2
 

Chowder138

Proud member of PAHAAA.

I know I'm always going on about how I think Obama's up to something and that's because it makes sense. He could have very well staged both the Colorado and Connecticut shooting to "numb" the pain of what he's already done, namely his response to the Benghazi incident. If you do some digging you'll find an article on how Obama had emails sent to him right as the attack occurred and chose to do nothing. It's not what he did during the attack, but what he didn't do.

I know a helluva lot of people are mad at him now, and this school shooting may be exactly what he needed to numb everyone's feelings.

And how Hilary Clitton (pun intended) refusing to testify before Congress because she has a "concussion." If you're going to lie, try a little harder.
 

Omega Dragon

Active Member
I know I'm always going on about how I think Obama's up to something and that's because it makes sense. He could have very well staged both the Colorado and Connecticut shooting to "numb" the pain of what he's already done, namely his response to the Benghazi incident. If you do some digging you'll find an article on how Obama had emails sent to him right as the attack occurred and chose to do nothing. It's not what he did during the attack, but what he didn't do.

I know a helluva lot of people are mad at him now, and this school shooting may be exactly what he needed to numb everyone's feelings.

And how Hilary Clitton (pun intended) refusing to testify before Congress because she has a "concussion." If you're going to lie, try a little harder.

I don't agree with Obama, but he doesn't have the balls to stage this plops. Nah, he's just a puppet to begin with just like Bush before him.

It's like what happened in Austria, actually. Hitler never went into Austria with tanks and loaded guns to shoot anyone. What happened was the Austrians were all unemployed, people that couldn't afford to eat not because they were lazy but because there were no jobs. No one was hiring. They suddenly looked to Germany, how everyone had food & shelter in Germany, ignorant (willfully? maybe) of their authoritarian practices. Hitler came down, slowly taking over. Like boiling a frog in a frying pan, slowly increasing heat.

It's just a gradual process, even worse is half the time they're hardly hiding it. (Like an old saying, the easiest way to hide something is to leave it in plain sight for all to see.)
 

Punz

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As a parent, I just don't have the words to express how I view this horrible situation. Needless violence on little children. Such a shame.I would go absolutely crazy if my daughter or son were involved in anything remotely close to what happen in Connecticut.

I've read some of the comments here, many are about Gun Control in the U.S. I agree with some and not with others. I believe citizens shouldn't have Semi or Fully Automatic weapons. Rifles and hand guns are more than enough for protecting your family against danger, for hunting and for target practice. Plus, a well aimed bullet will take out any attacker vs. a spray of wasted ammo. I own a hand gun and I keep it locked up in a Bio-Metric safe, away from my kids and unloaded at all times. That is more than enough to protect my family from harm.

I have a brother who is a convicted felon (drug related crimes). By law, he isn't allowed to legally own a gun. Yet, he owns a revolver. Nothing will ever stop guns from reaching the hands of people. It's like drugs. They are illegal yet are sold on the streets at this very moment. Hell, I could get one in a matter of hours if I wanted to. It's too easy man. It's like a cancer, it'll never go away. The bubble we live in is just that and there is a undercurrent of a dark reality that rules. Laws mean nothing when those who are intent on harming others won't obey them. The weak in our country are armed and killing innocent people.

Our society is the problem, not guns. Today in Florida, a man killed his neighbor with a hammer. The other week, someone was beaten to death with bat. We are the problem. Humans are a very violent species. Until we stop being inherently violent, then needless violence will end. However, that'll never happen.We were born of chaos and instinctively, that's what we are best at. My heart goes out to the families in Connecticut.
 

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