A small rant about the elder scrolls games

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JRMoosePaul

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Besides, Skyrim has inspired things like Dark Souls, which is a pretty good game in its own right but nothing compared to the almighty Skyrim. Can you name any game with a more in depth combat system than Skyrim? How about a game with AI more intelligent? The AI in skyrim is so smart its scary. NPCs have deep conversations with each other and interact with the world. No other game has this, especially the other assgarbage that populates the Elder Scrolls series

Combat wise I would say Kingdom Come based on what I’ve seen. Fallout also has better combat (and yes I know it has guns and is also made by Bethesda but you asked for examples). There are more but I would have to make this longer and I have stuff to do.

If you’re going to say that Skyrim has “scary intelligent AI” then I’m just gonna laugh in your face. There is so many problems and we all know it. There are parts when the AI does things right but we’ve all experienced the glitches and bugs before.


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StolenSweetroll

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Honestly fluff b
I believe it is important when looking at a game to consider the time period it was released in. Yes, Daggerfall may be plops compared to Skyrim on a technical level, but you also have to consider that it was released 15 years (I think?) before Skyrim. Games are just getting bigger and better as time goes on, and I just feel like it's important to recognize the context of a game's creation. Who knows, maybe Skyrim will be considered plops in 10 years?
I actually laughed when I read this. Yes the older ES games have have bad systems, especially Arena and Daggerfall, but the story in Morrowind in example is so much better that Skyrim’s. Fast travel wasn’t a concept then and generally fast travels ruins the experience of exploring the world the developers made for you. I don’t play Elder Scrolls for the fighting or the graphics, I play it for the story. Morrowind so far has the best one. Also the only good things about Fallout 4 is the combat and the graphics. The RP side of it was traded for first person shooter and story wasn’t as good any of the previous ones. Even though the first two games had a complex system and poor graphics it still had a fantastic story. New Vegas probably the best one if you want a good story. Fallout 4 would be the worst in the franchise if it weren’t for Tactics.


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I actually laughed when I read this. Yes the older ES games have have bad systems, especially Arena and Daggerfall, but the story in Morrowind in example is so much better that Skyrim’s. Fast travel wasn’t a concept then and generally fast travels ruins the experience of exploring the world the developers made for you. I don’t play Elder Scrolls for the fighting or the graphics, I play it for the story. Morrowind so far has the best one. Also the only good things about Fallout 4 is the combat and the graphics. The RP side of it was traded for first person shooter and story wasn’t as good any of the previous ones. Even though the first two games had a complex system and poor graphics it still had a fantastic story. New Vegas probably the best one if you want a good story. Fallout 4 would be the worst in the franchise if it weren’t for Tactics.


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I've played every fallout except van buren and I can say for a fact the first one is the worst, you can't even do that many sidequests bc ur rushed to get a fluffing Brita water filter for ur "hole in the ground " Tactics is much superior to them all
Dude i agree with you. Its hard to believe that FO3 copied FO1 but it did. Both had minimum amounts of side quests and both had to do with fixing water. Coincidence? I think not. Also fallout 1 had plops RPG elements and graphics. I think FO4 beats tactics though.[/QUOT
I believe it is important when looking at a game to consider the time period it was released in. Yes, Daggerfall may be plops compared to Skyrim on a technical level, but you also have to consider that it was released 15 years (I think?) before Skyrim. Games are just getting bigger and better as time goes on, and I just feel like it's important to recognize the context of a game's creation. Who knows, maybe Skyrim will be considered plops in 10 years?
I actually laughed when I read this. Yes the older ES games have have bad systems, especially Arena and Daggerfall, but the story in Morrowind in example is so much better that Skyrim’s. Fast travel wasn’t a concept then and generally fast travels ruins the experience of exploring the world the developers made for you. I don’t play Elder Scrolls for the fighting or the graphics, I play it for the story. Morrowind so far has the best one. Also the only good things about Fallout 4 is the combat and the graphics. The RP side of it was traded for first person shooter and story wasn’t as good any of the previous ones. Even though the first two games had a complex system and poor graphics it still had a fantastic story. New Vegas probably the best one if you want a good story. Fallout 4 would be the worst in the franchise if it weren’t for Tactics.


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I actually laughed when I read this. Yes the older ES games have have bad systems, especially Arena and Daggerfall, but the story in Morrowind in example is so much better that Skyrim’s. Fast travel wasn’t a concept then and generally fast travels ruins the experience of exploring the world the developers made for you. I don’t play Elder Scrolls for the fighting or the graphics, I play it for the story. Morrowind so far has the best one. Also the only good things about Fallout 4 is the combat and the graphics. The RP side of it was traded for first person shooter and story wasn’t as good any of the previous ones. Even though the first two games had a complex system and poor graphics it still had a fantastic story. New Vegas probably the best one if you want a good story. Fallout 4 would be the worst in the franchise if it weren’t for Tactics.


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I've played every fallout except van buren and I can say for a fact the first one is the worst, you can't even do that many sidequests bc ur rushed to get a fluffing Brita water filter for ur "hole in the ground " Tactics is much superior to them all
Dude i agree with you. Its hard to believe that FO3 copied FO1 but it did. Both had minimum amounts of side quests and both had to do with fixing water. Coincidence? I think not. Also fallout 1 had plops RPG elements and graphics. I think FO4 beats tactics though.
Besides, Skyrim has inspired things like Dark Souls, which is a pretty good game in its own right but nothing compared to the almighty Skyrim. Can you name any game with a more in depth combat system than Skyrim? How about a game with AI more intelligent? The AI in skyrim is so smart its scary. NPCs have deep conversations with each other and interact with the world. No other game has this, especially the other assgarbage that populates the Elder Scrolls series

Combat wise I would say Kingdom Come based on what I’ve seen. Fallout also has better combat (and yes I know it has guns and is also made by Bethesda but you asked for examples). There are more but I would have to make this longer and I have stuff to do.

If you’re going to say that Skyrim has “scary intelligent AI” then I’m just gonna laugh in your face. There is so many problems and we all know it. There are parts when the AI does things right but we’ve all experienced the glitches and bugs before.


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The AI is scary intelligent it makes me think there real. I'm going to laugh in ur face if you think any of the other TES is better in this regard or any other
 

StolenSweetroll

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Honestly fluff b
I have played the
I've played every fallout except van buren and I can say for a fact the first one is the worst, you can't even do that many sidequests bc ur rushed to get a fluffing Brita water filter for ur "hole in the ground " Tactics is much superior to them all
Dude i agree with you. Its hard to believe that FO3 copied FO1 but it did. Both had minimum amounts of side quests and both had to do with fixing water. Coincidence? I think not. Also fallout 1 had plops RPG elements and graphics. I think FO4 beats tactics though.[/QUOT
Dude i agree with you. Its hard to believe that FO3 copied FO1 but it did. Both had minimum amounts of side quests and both had to do with fixing water. Coincidence? I think not. Also fallout 1 had plops RPG elements and graphics. I think FO4 beats tactics though.
Besides, Skyrim has inspired things like Dark Souls, which is a pretty good game in its own right but nothing compared to the almighty Skyrim. Can you name any game with a more in depth combat system than Skyrim? How about a game with AI more intelligent? The AI in skyrim is so smart its scary. NPCs have deep conversations with each other and interact with the world. No other game has this, especially the other assgarbage that populates the Elder Scrolls series

Combat wise I would say Kingdom Come based on what I’ve seen. Fallout also has better combat (and yes I know it has guns and is also made by Bethesda but you asked for examples). There are more but I would have to make this longer and I have stuff to do.

If you’re going to say that Skyrim has “scary intelligent AI” then I’m just gonna laugh in your face. There is so many problems and we all know it. There are parts when the AI does things right but we’ve all experienced the glitches and bugs before.


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The AI is scary intelligent it makes me think there real. I'm going to laugh in ur face if you think any of the other TES is better in this regard or any other
Its also better than anything Black Isle or Obsidian has ever made, or Bethesda before fallout 4
 

John Will

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Ok guys. Ive got a bit of a rant, With all these elder scrolls fanboys, not giving Skyrim the attention it deserves. We know Skyrim came out in 2009, and it looked fluffing amazing and still looks really good, the vibrant colors really pop out among the environment and the areas are diverse, it was the first game that featured such an large scale open world map, with branching exploration options and villages that felt real. The world was in an political chaos, the stormcloaks, an fleshed out, band of warriors fighting for their homeland and rights to praise Jesus Christ. While the dirty Thalmor destroy the land of Skyrim with there oppression. While dragons reborn themselfes from the dragon burials and wreck havoc on the world. An ancient dragon god named Alduin even attacks, with the intention to devour the entire world. And the guild quests are amazing too. The new fihgter guild, the companions is a tale of friendship and adventure with werewolfs so its instantly cool. Also, the thiefs guild makes you feel like an real theif. You break into houses and steal stuff and then sell it to people, it was such a revolutionary quest in my opinion. And the mages guild was so good i can't even begin to start about it. You also get a katana from the blades. The dark brotherhood was cool too because you get to kill Uriel Septim who the gold in the game "septims" is named after. So yeah its cool too. Crafting was really in-depth and overall just felt cool. So yeah guys. I just wanted to mention how awesome skyrim is compared to the other plops games in the elder scrolls. If i had to compare it to anything, i would say its the fallout 4 of the elder scrolls, because fallout 4 is the best fallout and skyrim is the best elder scrolls.
I do beleive that forza is the best car racing game. Grand turismo is absolute garbage and project cars is alright. Oh and what did you say? That call of duty is worse than crash bandicoont? I say that stanly parable is good.
 

JRMoosePaul

Stormcloak Warrior
Honestly fluff b


The AI is scary intelligent it makes me think there real. I'm going to laugh in ur face if you think any of the other TES is better in this regard or any other

Obviously Skyrim has better AI than previous titles. But the AI isn’t the Aryan race of AI as you seem to think it is. Also Daggerfall is a good game it’s just poorly made.


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StolenSweetroll

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Honestly fluff b


The AI is scary intelligent it makes me think there real. I'm going to laugh in ur face if you think any of the other TES is better in this regard or any other

Obviously Skyrim has better AI than previous titles. But the AI isn’t the Aryan race of AI as you seem to think it is. Also Daggerfall is a good game it’s just poorly made.


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Daggerfall is plops, Bethesda is plops Activision should make the TES and I'm not joking at least it would look good, fallout4 and skyrim are the only good games they have
 

JRMoosePaul

Stormcloak Warrior
Daggerfall is plops, Bethesda is plops Activision should make the TES and I'm not joking at least it would look good, fallout4 and skyrim are the only good games they have

Playing a game just because it looks good defeats the purpose of playing a game


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Cordelia

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Just a heads up: Do not make personal attacks against other members, including name calling ("tard", "fluffing imbecile") and telling anyone to "fluff off" or "eat plops".

I appreciate that many of you may have come over from Bethesda forums, but whatever may have been allowed there in terms of how you treat each other are not going to be allowed here.

Rule number one: Respect each other.

Other than that, this thread appears to be doing fine, so I won't be locking it.
 

Specter of Death

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We know Skyrim came out in 2009,

Just wanted to say Skyrim came out in 2011 (11-11-11).

You all made some very valid points in your preference of Skyrim over all the other E.S games; however I would like to pose a question: have any of you played any of the others? To completion? As in depth as you have Skyrim? DLC's and all?

I would agree heavily that Skyrim is leagues superior to E.S I & II. However I can't agree that it is better than III, and can only really say it is equal to IV. This is only my opinion of course.

I feel like compared to Morrowind and Oblivion, Skyrim has been slightly "dumbed down" or "simplified". The mechanics, leveling system, perks, birthsignes etc. The reason I find Morrowind to be the best and more superior game in my eyes, is the fact that it was far more immersive. Sure the graphics, voice acting and overall scope was lesser in quality, but at the time of it's release it was a huge leap for the genre.

Morrowind didn't have quest markers, and you could only find where to go via word of mouth and landmarks. This made it much more realistic to explore the region and discover new areas. Fighting was much more difficult to do as well, because the successfulness of your attacks and defenses were heavily based on your skill and experience in the type of weaponry you were using. For example, using a bow, at level one marksmanship you had more chance of missing your shots then actually landing them, no matter your cross-hair and direct aim. It depended on your marksmanship to be higher and higher to actually be accurate. Same went with swords, shields and magic.

I will say that indeed Skyrim has mods, and that gives it huge points, but I can argue that all the DLC for Skyrim are it's weakest points and somewhat counteract the modding part of the game. Only slightly however. Oblivion's DLC "The Shivering Isles" will, for me, to this day be the best DLC in all of E.S. This is also to add that there were a ton of DLC items for that game as well, many of which can stand up to the Mods for Skyrim. Armors for Horses, numerous lore building side quests, and class oriented player homes. In oblivion, you also got to pick out what bonuses you had in specific perks based on your class as well. You could pick from one of the many pre-made class options, or you could create your own - whereas in skyrim, you don't get much choice as the bonuses are exclusively tied to each race. This sort of pulls each race in a preferential direction for class; Nords and Orcs = Warriors, Altmer and Breton = Mages, Dunmer and Bosmer =Assassins etc. But in Oblivion, you could play an Orc who starts with bonuses in all Magicka Schools, and with none in armors or weapons. Which for me is true immersion.

These points are all important to take into consideration, as there are a majority of people who only got to play these games via console, so modding wasn't really an option for them.

That's just my two sense, however. I love the discussion guys, great points being made!
 
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Specter of Death

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Yeah I question whether they’ve played the other games too


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Not that it's necessary, or takes away merit from their opinions. I personally feel like if they have played them as much as they've clearly played Skyrim, their thoughts on the matter might be a little different. But we won't know until they tell us! :D
 

StolenSweetroll

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Yeah I question whether they’ve played the other games too


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Not that it's necessary, or takes away merit from their opinions. I personally feel like if they have played them as much as they've clearly played Skyrim, their thoughts on the matter might be a little different. But we won't know until they tell us! :D
Oblivion is boring and morrowind isn't much better too much time put in, still better than the Witches though
 

StolenSweetroll

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Yeah I question whether they’ve played the other games too


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Not that it's necessary, or takes away merit from their opinions. I personally feel like if they have played them as much as they've clearly played Skyrim, their thoughts on the matter might be a little different. But we won't know until they tell us! :D
Oblivion is boring and morrowind isn't much better too much time put in, still better than the Witches though
Played them both when they came out in 2011 , and the HD remastered in 2005, and the later releases on the N64 and They are bad
 
Not that it's necessary, or takes away merit from their opinions. I personally feel like if they have played them as much as they've clearly played Skyrim, their thoughts on the matter might be a little different. But we won't know until they tell us! :D
Oblivion is boring and morrowind isn't much better too much time put in, still better than the Witches though
Played them both when they came out in 2011 , and the HD remastered in 2005, and the later releases on the N64 and They are bad
Dude, same here, but i played Morrowind on the DS and it sucked. Game was broken and felt like a skyrim copy. But i played Skyrim on my Commodore 64 and it worked fine
 

Davimiir

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Perhaps you're being slightly harsh. Elder Scrolls has been around for a long time and obviously computer technology has a great deal to do with it. The general gamer is always going to say that the latest is going to be the best I suppose. I wish I had played the previous games when they came out, but am not going to play them now because, for example, the combat looks crumby. But I can appreciate what great gaming they would've been at the time! Even the first 2!
Ur a fluffing imbecile
Well written! You can't even construct a proper sentence!!! :D
 

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