JRMoosePaul
Stormcloak Warrior
You must have a pretty hard life then my guy
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What is your personal favourite type of weapon?
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ashleyclark
Yes I am really 65 yrs old
Bound weapons are my favorite. The bound bow and dagger or the bound sword and shield. Otherwise my Breton uses no weapons
alceryes
Member
My favorite archetype is a ranger. Usually dual wield, but always using bow.
I would have to say that bow is my fav. There's just something very satisfying about dropping enemies, while they're on the run, from way across the map.
Current character was started in late June. 54th level ranger with solstheim (dragonborn) quests, some daedric quests, and probably dozens of minor quests left to do.
I would have to say that bow is my fav. There's just something very satisfying about dropping enemies, while they're on the run, from way across the map.
Current character was started in late June. 54th level ranger with solstheim (dragonborn) quests, some daedric quests, and probably dozens of minor quests left to do.
One handed sword. Perfect balance of speed, reach, and damage for high level play.
Dagger is fast but cannot stagger on hit and the low reach means in a direct conflict you're going to have trouble kiting without getting hit.
One handed axe is viable but the slowness typically means you get less opportunities to get free damage when an opponent whiffs, but you do get much greater control over when you can or can't stagger enemies.
One handed maces are too fluffing slow. When the margin for error is zero you will die because you'll get locked in the slow swing animation and won't be able to pull up a bash in time to stop a sudden counterattack. You will typically only be able to get 1 hit in per exchange, so you might as well use a 2h weapon.
Two handed swords are really nice for their reach, and are pretty well balanced all around for a two handed weapon. The tradeoff for reach and damage may be worth losing the speed.
Two handed axe: great stagger potential and damage but far too slow.
Two handed mace: will get you killed the first time you whiff.
(Though with most cases you're only going to be able to squeeze in one hit with a 2h weapon before having to back off, so may as well make it count as much as possible. Just be careful not to overstay your welcome)
Bow/Arrow: great for guerilla tactics and starting an engagement from a position of strength.
Destruction Magic: great stagger potential, but absolutely garbage tier late game DPS. will get you screwed in the early game while waiting for mana to recharge. Waste of MP when healing is exponentially more important if things go bad in the early game. Frost is decent at crowd controlling melee enemies. Lightning is meh because the AI recharges MP much faster than you.
Dagger is fast but cannot stagger on hit and the low reach means in a direct conflict you're going to have trouble kiting without getting hit.
One handed axe is viable but the slowness typically means you get less opportunities to get free damage when an opponent whiffs, but you do get much greater control over when you can or can't stagger enemies.
One handed maces are too fluffing slow. When the margin for error is zero you will die because you'll get locked in the slow swing animation and won't be able to pull up a bash in time to stop a sudden counterattack. You will typically only be able to get 1 hit in per exchange, so you might as well use a 2h weapon.
Two handed swords are really nice for their reach, and are pretty well balanced all around for a two handed weapon. The tradeoff for reach and damage may be worth losing the speed.
Two handed axe: great stagger potential and damage but far too slow.
Two handed mace: will get you killed the first time you whiff.
(Though with most cases you're only going to be able to squeeze in one hit with a 2h weapon before having to back off, so may as well make it count as much as possible. Just be careful not to overstay your welcome)
Bow/Arrow: great for guerilla tactics and starting an engagement from a position of strength.
Destruction Magic: great stagger potential, but absolutely garbage tier late game DPS. will get you screwed in the early game while waiting for mana to recharge. Waste of MP when healing is exponentially more important if things go bad in the early game. Frost is decent at crowd controlling melee enemies. Lightning is meh because the AI recharges MP much faster than you.
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alceryes
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Remember that, when dual-wielding, your attack speed is determined by your left handed weapon. With a dagger in your left hand the axe and mace will swing fast.
Two axes is better than one. axe + dagger = no swag
Remember that, when dual-wielding, your attack speed is determined by your left handed weapon. With a dagger in your left hand the axe and mace will swing fast.
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Tracker947/video/37962902
JRMoosePaul
Stormcloak Warrior
Right now I’m doing a two hand war axe Barbarian so I’ll update y’all when I get end game
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alceryes
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Ummm, the axe in the left hand isn't even being used in this video. Did you post the right one?
If that person was actually making dual-wielded attacks, and you found a dagger + axe video to compare it to (with the same perks, etc.), you'd see how slow it is in comparison.
The speed difference is negligible. The person in the video is me and the speed boost from simply holding an off hand weapon with the dual wielding perks is more than enough. Wielding a dagger to me also doesn't look as visually appealing, and if I'd needed to use it I'd have gotten less damage, less reach, and less stagger power. And the reason I didn't use the off hand weapon is because alternating between LB and RB is slower than simple RBs and a standing dual wielding power attack makes you a sitting duck and an easy kill. I might've tried it on flatter terrain but there was too much in the environment get caught on if something went wrong and if the dragon didn't stagger, it would have been very easy for it to lower my health below the finishing move threshold. Or if it breathed fire and didn't stagger, it could have killed me.
This is a video where I actually do use the dual wielding attacks, main hand sword and off hand axe simply because of style (wanted the sword sheathe on my hip) http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Tracker947/video/37963956
I don't dual wield at all when I'm playing through really difficult challenges because it's simply too dangerous to go without the block bash.
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alceryes
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Understandable.
Why alternate between LB and RB though? Why not just constantly tap both (not hold down and power attack) and get 2 hits at the faster than normal speed? Also, looks like you had the dagger in your right hand. Your left hand is what determines dual wield speed so you should always have the faster weapon in your left. For some occasional blocking, equip a torch. You can block with it and set enemies on fire (not much damage though).
Why alternate between LB and RB though? Why not just constantly tap both (not hold down and power attack) and get 2 hits at the faster than normal speed? Also, looks like you had the dagger in your right hand. Your left hand is what determines dual wield speed so you should always have the faster weapon in your left. For some occasional blocking, equip a torch. You can block with it and set enemies on fire (not much damage though).
I don't use the double light attack simply because I don't like the way it looks visually, and, correct me if I'm wrong because it's been a long ass time since I played last, it also hampers movement and has worse recovery frames. I didn't have a dagger in my hands at all. In the first video it was two axes and in the second video it was a sword with an off hand axe. I am aware of the speed thing, I just don't need it so I don't use it since I don't like daggers (the dual wielding perks give plenty of speed bonus). That, and the stamina consumption is determined by the right hand weapon. I was using the main hand sword and off hand axe because I liked having the sword sheathe on my hip (like I said I did in my previous comment) and an off hand axe looks more nordic. I do occasionally use torches if its at night or in a dungeon, or if I'm freezing to death (or I'm against vampires), but generally I forget I even have them.
You might have spotted the dagger I had favorited because I was actually playing around with that strategy, but it made no noticeable difference for me so I stopped using it.
Ancano
High Justiciar
This is true actually because I have learned to hold myself to the highest standard possible within reason because many times these games won't and frankly it's insulting to not be able to experience a real challenge. This is not for everyone; respect. However some of us don't want to hack and slash when clearly the situation warrants (or should warrant) thinking and real time problem solving to overcome a tough and realistic opponent trying to survive, trying to win themselves.
Now, sometimes this isn't a possibility as things are whatever they are. However I have had enough cherished weapons pulled away and lost forever into the shadows or thrown down a river in a cave somewhere or have had enough weapons break or not work as intended to understand there is no excuse for laziness or half-arsing when it comes to defending yourself/honor and I believe this is one of them. You must be in control of your weapons, they should be dependent on your needs and not you be dependent on them. It's all about what weapons you use and how you use them. If I fire off an end-game lightning blast or something then it will do it's damage and I'll be vulnerable. So you don't use something like that until the end. There are all kinds of tactics you can use however you have to learn all the abilities that you can otherwise you're going to be miserable trying to win on one Destruction Ability that only does one thing and doesn't work as well on everything.
As a Stormcloak sympathizer, I would think you of all people would understand the value in being able to defend yourself proper; I'm also shocked that you never mentioned the Thu'um which is a weapon too. We can both agree Greybeards don't need weapons. So I'm trying to understand why you gave me such a hard time for just saying I use Arcane Methods. I should have said I used those methods FIRST and LAST. While I do carry weps and shield, I generally don't over rely on them or really need them. In these games like I was explaining to someone else, you want to start slow. If you rush ahead into Meridia's Temple and try to use basic or mid-level Destruction Spells you are going to get your arse handed to you. Hell, if you go in there at all you are going to get the same.
Using Arcane based weapons and tactics is a separate concept. It is however not unlike using the Thu'um; I know it's not the same thing I am not saying it's the same however it's a similar concept. Ulfric *proved* himself over Torygg by using the Thu'um (ie Nord Magic) to disable him and then ended him with a sword. The weapons had synergy sure, however Thu'um itself could have killed him.
I still stand by putting Arcane capabilities FIRST and LAST, with some physical weps or staves. However, to one skilled enough, willing to put in the time and work you really don't need weapons. Your mind can be a weapon or a shield if you will allow it to be. You also shouldn't condemn me for saying such things when Ulfric Stormcloak, *your boss/idol* uses Nord Magic to suite himself when he feels it's necessary. I agree with this too and have never spoken against Ulfric for using his abilities or having the ability to shout.
Physical Weapons are great however you need to be prepared for that 'oh pl*ps' moment when you either can't use them or they don't work anymore. 'Hope for the best and expect the worst.'
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Based on your username I think you'll appreciate this http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Tracker947/video/37963812
Ancano
High Justiciar
That is an excellent example. Not only are we throwing the Werewolf into this however the fact remains that none of those guys fighting can possibly defend themselves against... that critter.
And in this situation I would cloak myself and just leave. Which is another example, although this one comes from ESO. Those guys fighting kinda reminds me of the DK Class in ESO. The major problem in this class is you are literally forced to fight everyone you meet. Remember what I said about your weapons being in control? A stealthy mage could either cloak and just... walk home or teleport out if needed. The winner of a fight is who is in control and if your tactics aren't flexible then you have already lost.
'Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.'
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JRMoosePaul
Stormcloak Warrior
I understand that magic has it’s place and power but I don’t want to rely on my willpower as a weapon. Spells such a shock can decimate your magicka within seconds, rendering your abilities useless. The shields you can make like auras have no affect towards physical damage. Spells like Oakflesh and such do help, yes, but why should I need to conjure armor when I can wear physical armor that has better stats? When I refer to magic I speak of the common magic like spells. The Thu’um is magic but also a blessing. It can be taught but has it’s holy aspects to it. Going back to weapons, if I get disarmed and I’m not able to use my weapon, I can just pull another one out or do the simple thing and pick up my weapon. I don’t have to waste any more magic to summon another weapon when it disappears because it’s there and there to stay.
I’ve used magic before and I can say that it is powerful, but over and over again I find that weapons like swords and axes are a lot more useful. I know many great wizards and scholars alike whom I respect, but I know a lot more warriors who can get a job done just as well and better. There was a time when we Nords revered the clever man and many still do like myself, but I have realized there are dangers to magic that even the highest of mages don’t understand. Magic can be difficult to control once it’s unleashed while a sword is just as powerful as it’s wielder.
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alceryes
Member
I don't *think* dual wield hampers movement more or slows/has more recovery frames, but I'm not positive.
Oh, I thought that sword in your RH was a dagger.
I hear you on the visuals. Part of what makes Skyrim fun is making your character *look* badass.
Papoy
DON'T EXPECT SPOILER WARNINGS FROM ME
Uhh, so much philosophy here.
Axes. Definitely. Ebony War Axe to be precise. Looks so good. And when I get that head-chop killcam, I get orgasm. Usually using it with shield, since I dislike dual-wielding as a whole. Though, leaving left-hand axe unenchanted with Elemental Fury would make nice combo I think.
Axes. Definitely. Ebony War Axe to be precise. Looks so good. And when I get that head-chop killcam, I get orgasm. Usually using it with shield, since I dislike dual-wielding as a whole. Though, leaving left-hand axe unenchanted with Elemental Fury would make nice combo I think.
lizardisok
Well-Known Member
I like the double-edged sword
I enjoy the bow mainly, but I also hold a love in my heart for both one handed and two handed swords. I don't know why, but the beauty of a blade slicing it's way through the air and flesh of a foe is just plain art to me.
