Lawful neutral are similar to true neutral in skyrim sometimes

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The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
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Also i think the previous i have said is quite accurate for both of us.
There can be 2 mindsets of tn that i think off.
"I am alone at my problems, so i help no one, unless he is a friend, so i expect nothing from others when i have my own problems"
or the
"I give some money to the homeless, because if i ever happened to be homeless, i would like to be assisted by others"

I think in the end it goes
neutral good. I will sacrifice something so someone in need will be better. But if i was in the same situation, i wouldnt demand the others to do the same.

true neutral. I behave to those in need, as i think i should be helped if i am in need, though i will not ask for it.

evil neutral. I probably wont help you in your need. But if you help me in my need, sometimes i will return the favor.
You seem to have some misconception that a True Neutral person is somehow obligated to help a common person in a passing time of need because for some reason True Neutral is a representation of the average person. This is completely and utterly false. You are thinking of Lawful characters, and even Lawful Evil characters can profess some form of malevolence (as sometimes treating people well is a more efficient form of dominating them).

Your examples are flawed because they all assume that a True Neutral character somehow is somehow a "Pay it Forward" type of character, which is simply false.
 

Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
Well I'm not saying they wouldn't do that either. As a TN char lives their own life, they could indeed help their allies. One example was in the novle "Villains by Necessity" by Eve Forward (which is kinda D&D esque). The druid there is TN technically, but because "Good" is overwhelming the world and threatens to destroy it just as much as if all Evil had conquered the world, the Druid helps her 'allies' as loosely as that term can apply in this case. But this is also an extreme case where the TN char is kind of obligated to uphold the balance, but not all TN chars are about "upholding" the balance of the world as much as they are about upholding their own balance of beliefs.

So ... in short: Yes. They can help their allies while staying TN.
 

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
Staff member
Ok, but what about the "help your allies view". Or if the person sometimes helps strangers because he expects he will be helped in a though situation as well.

Isnt this tn?

Animals, help their herd and they are true neutral. Isnt this same?
You help the society that you live in, out of self interest.
They help the HEALTHY members of their herd. They quickly abandon the slow and the weak when predators come running. That is nature and natural selection.
 

Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
yeah.. that too Gid. heh. Even in the novel I mentioned, the Druid would easily abandon her 'allies' if they fell behind (well just as much as any of the other anti-heroes would abandon each other)
 

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
Staff member
I'm sorry if my points sound overly forceful and presumptuous, I'm being rude :sadface:
 

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
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The closest I can imagine a person being to completely falling under True Neutral is a High Functioning Sociopath.
 

ronal1

Member
Also i think the previous i have said is quite accurate for both of us.
There can be 2 mindsets of tn that i think off.
"I am alone at my problems, so i help no one, unless he is a friend, so i expect nothing from others when i have my own problems"
or the
"I give some money to the homeless, because if i ever happened to be homeless, i would like to be assisted by others"

I think in the end it goes
neutral good. I will sacrifice something so someone in need will be better. But if i was in the same situation, i wouldnt demand the others to do the same.

true neutral. I behave to those in need, as i think i should be helped if i am in need, though i will not ask for it.

evil neutral. I probably wont help you in your need. But if you help me in my need, sometimes i will return the favor.
You seem to have some misconception that a True Neutral person is somehow obligated to help a common person in a passing time of need because for some reason True Neutral is a representation of the average person. This is completely and utterly false. You are thinking of Lawful characters, and even Lawful Evil characters can profess some form of malevolence (as sometimes treating people well is a more efficient form of dominating them).

Your examples are flawed because they all assume that a True Neutral character somehow is somehow a "Pay it Forward" type of character, which is simply false.


Well the general trend of people "just doing their job" are tn

About helping the healthy animals you got me. You seem more right.
Truth is, i have tried many answers, test puts me in tn, but i disagree a lot with the definition, so i dont know how to role my character
 

Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
Okay well tell us more about your character. Give us some "inside" views on how your character things, acts, feels, and I'm pretty sure we can guess pretty closely to what alignment they should be ^_^ And then you can take our opinions for what they are, and make your own decision ^_^
 

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
Staff member
Also i think the previous i have said is quite accurate for both of us.
There can be 2 mindsets of tn that i think off.
"I am alone at my problems, so i help no one, unless he is a friend, so i expect nothing from others when i have my own problems"
or the
"I give some money to the homeless, because if i ever happened to be homeless, i would like to be assisted by others"

I think in the end it goes
neutral good. I will sacrifice something so someone in need will be better. But if i was in the same situation, i wouldnt demand the others to do the same.

true neutral. I behave to those in need, as i think i should be helped if i am in need, though i will not ask for it.

evil neutral. I probably wont help you in your need. But if you help me in my need, sometimes i will return the favor.
You seem to have some misconception that a True Neutral person is somehow obligated to help a common person in a passing time of need because for some reason True Neutral is a representation of the average person. This is completely and utterly false. You are thinking of Lawful characters, and even Lawful Evil characters can profess some form of malevolence (as sometimes treating people well is a more efficient form of dominating them).

Your examples are flawed because they all assume that a True Neutral character somehow is somehow a "Pay it Forward" type of character, which is simply false.


Well the general trend of people "just doing their job" are tn

About helping the healthy animals you got me. You seem more right.
Truth is, i have tried many answers, test puts me in tn, but i disagree a lot with the definition, so i dont know how to role my character
He could be a communist? :p
 

ronal1

Member
Hhaahahaha no communist. More like i help those in need, because if i ever want to be in need, i would want others to help me.

I am responsible for my own actions, wether i follow the law, or break it, (be it a just law, or a dictators law) the results of my actions are my responsibility. I help those that help me, in the way i can. I wont enslave myself to pay a dept, because i have never agreed it will be that way.

I wont overdo it to help others, not will i stay ignorant. I will do whatever i see as right. Sometimes i will help those in need, sometimes not.
I dont like people telling my what to do, but i will go with it if i see it beneficial. Generally i will keep my word and i will avoid actively harming others. Also i will avoid lies.
 

ronal1

Member
Well, question. Couldnt a true neutral just act naturally?
Like, be altruistic when he feels like it, or be selfish when he feels like it.
I mean after all tn is about being natural. Some periods you might helps others, some you will ignore their needs.
Isnt that a sort of natural balance as well?
 

Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
I dunno what you just described sounds a LOT like "Neutral Good" to me. Like a lot more so than TN

Edit: Maybe even bordering on Chaotic Good.
 

ronal1

Member
No matter how i change my answers, i always get the true neutral from test.
Maybe, since the true neutral is supposed to be the undecided, cant i just be changing every now and then.

A true neutral, sometimes doing neutral good behavior, sometimes chaotic neutral.
I mean after all, lack of commitment might mean, you will change your style every now and then, depending on the environment.

Maybe like, i see people being helpless. I offer my help to make new friends because i might need them-Neutral good-. After few days, i think i should help myself for now, i dont do any good but nor evil, i want to do what i want for a while- chaotic neutral. And so on.
What do you say?
 
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Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
well that could also fall under Chaotic Neutral as well :p
 

ronal1

Member
I have like... 10 points difference. 28 true neutral, and at 19-21 there are chaotic neutral, good neutral, chaotic good.

Let me ask. In both your link and my link, there is this.

"Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion"

So could you just go "today i feel good, tomorrow i feel selfish, the day after i feel more chaotic" and on average be true neutral? Essentially lack of conviction, do what think should be done, without bias.

Also, do you think true neutral fits this scenario?
"I care for the well being of myself and my friends, I dont want something bad to happen to the others, but i will not try for something good. But if like my town, i will fight in the civil war, just because i want to live in peace in the way i like. Generally, sometimes i will hunt bandits because i like my home and i want to be safe, so sometimes i might help others, because i help myself as well, sometimes i will just be selfish, either way it will be fair and balanced, nor i am altruist nor selfish. Sometimes the former sometimes the later".
 
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ronal1

Member
Also different question but in topic.
Can a lawful neutral character, generally follow laws, but having first priority in his personal code of honor?
SO he can break law, when he serves his honor.
Example, knight of the king. Your king loses his throne, so the order is formed by the new king and by law you should follow him, as the new lord of the castle. But your personal honor says "well, i will follow my previous king"
 

Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
well on the first one I've already given my answer (that seems more NG or CG) but for the second post:

In my opinion yes. A LN character had already made an oath to his/her previous king, and if that's truly their moral code or whatever, then they're still LN when upholding that code. There's really no laws being broken (other than any 'new' ones imposed by the new king which the character never served in the first place); HOWEVER.... on that note, the character could/would probably also consider the implications of openly rebelling against the new king... after all, they're Lawful Neutral - not Lawful Stupid ^_^
 

ronal1

Member
Ok got a new example, as i started watching game of thrones. My character is like tyrion lannister. I do what i must to survive, i help those who help me and my allies, i avoid hurting others if i can help it." Is that true neutral?
 

Hellknight Anna

Empress of the Inferno
That's more Chaotic Neutral
 

Mercutio

Assistant Regional Manager
someone say chaos?
 

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