Is anyone else terrified for TES VI due to Fallout 4?

Fallout 4 is, generally speaking, an underwhelming game. Especially for Bethesda. Fallout 3 had much more depth and feeling to the game. The trend of all of Bethesda's games "streamlining" is honestly scary for me. I had a little fun with Fallout 4 but it has so little depth I'm bored of it already. In comparison to Fallout 3 I easily sunk hundreds more hours into it before getting bored. I'm really hoping TES VI's writing and development isn't anything like Fo4's.

I know the feeling. Fallout 4 had so many radiant quests and so little unique quests, I'm afraid they'd do the same in the next Elder Scrolls game. What if you finish 1 unique mission, then it's just 5 or more radiant quests until you get to a big mission again? They were showing these as early as the Companions questline, where you have to collect the fragments of Wuuthrad in random places. I hope they don't do it in the next game.

I'm really hoping Fallout 4 isn't a display of a new polished game and this experience doesn't translate to the new Elder Scrolls game. Not only was it underwhelming, but there was little to no improvement for a new gen game.

The TES team probably isn't under so much pressure to meet deadlines and hopefully becomes more careful with such a money-making franchise for Bethesda.

Oh hush. Fallout 4 is fine, for what it is. Sure it's not perfect, but, what did you expect.

I'm actually not concerned. I think that the two properties have very distinct characters, and that they painted themselves into a kind of corner with Fallout, resulting in 4. The whole concept there is the bleak, desolate, post-apocalyptic world, so each game in the series has to have the same essential background and storyline. The updates, changes, and uniqueness have to come from the small touches, like settlements, and technological updates such as graphics. The Elder Scrolls is an entirely different ballgame, where every volume is set in a completely new, unexplored, yet-unmined-for-creativity environment. Except for starting as a prisoner, there's no boundary around the potential storylines either.

My only concern is if they try to continue with the moronic dialogue system, where every dialogue has to have a four-button response pattern. Otherwise, F4 is pretty good. Sure, it's good in a way that TES would NOT be good, but the Fallout world has constraints placed on it where TES has no such limitations.

I fundamentally disagree with Fallout 4 being an underwhelming game. It has an underwhelming story and characters, but the gameplay options are simply top notch as far as I am concerned. The gameplay of Fallout has never had as much depth or fun to it, and the difficulty is more balanced (and will become more balanced in the future) than previous games as well.

Not at all. TES games have all but improved with their features (albeit one or two things could've stayed in like spell creation) so if anything I'd say look forward to it. If you notice a pattern between the two franchises, each new iteration took a few popular things from the previous game and put it in the new one. For example, Skyrim took the lockpicking mini-game, weapon/armor crafting, and the bartering system from Fallout 3 while Fallout 4 took the leveling system, house building and factions from Skyrim. As long as they focus on what features will cater to casuals there's nothing to worry about.

You've got to look at the bigger picture here. Although Morrowwind and Oblivion were fun to play for the hardcore fanbase, for the casual game player they got boring after a couple days as it was very confusing and difficult to understand (see Oblivion's leveling system). With games like Skyrim and Fallout 4, it made it easier for the casual fan to jump into the game and thus more were willing to play it. The goal of a developer is to make a game that is fun to the hardcore fans, but pleasing to casuals. The more pleasing a game looks to a casual player, the more people will play it. More people getting it = bigger fanbase = more money.

To return to the original question there's no reason to worry. The popular features will come into 6 making it more enjoyable for the hardcore and if you remember the hype that Fallout 4 got TES6 will definitely surpass that. Just have faith man.

Not really. Bethesda games are always generally wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Not to say they're not great games. I wouldn't be worried due to Fallout, rather more worried from the fact Bethesda can release broken games, barely patch out issues and leaving them for the modding PC community to fix every single time.

Bethesda in all fairness are not the best studio out there, they're also a tad lazy lately. Their every increasing use of the words "It just works" is a bit tiring.

DrunkenMage said:

Not really. Bethesda games are always generally wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Not to say they're not great games. I wouldn't be worried due to Fallout, rather more worried from the fact Bethesda can release broken games, barely patch out issues and leaving them for the modding PC community to fix every single time.

Bethesda in all fairness are not the best studio out there, they're also a tad lazy lately. Their every increasing use of the words "It just works" is a bit tiring.

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To be charitable, it's not just Bethesda. Look at Dragon Age : Inquisition - a buggy mess that took months to clean up; Witcher 3 - had patches and fixes released ever week for months on end; and just about any other game you can mention today (ESO's a great example).

F4 is pretty clean now and certainly more stable than any other Beth game released to date.

Unfortunately, it's about making money and getting the game out there once the hype hits full tilt whether it's actually the cleanest thing they can release or not.

I still love Beth games though, warts and all.

Bring it on Beth! I'll play a super buggy TES6 and put up with your patches and fixes for the next 3 years. Just bring it on!

Daelon DuLac said:

DrunkenMage said:

Not really. Bethesda games are always generally wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Not to say they're not great games. I wouldn't be worried due to Fallout, rather more worried from the fact Bethesda can release broken games, barely patch out issues and leaving them for the modding PC community to fix every single time.

Bethesda in all fairness are not the best studio out there, they're also a tad lazy lately. Their every increasing use of the words "It just works" is a bit tiring.

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To be charitable, it's not just Bethesda. Look at Dragon Age : Inquisition - a buggy mess that took months to clean up; Witcher 3 - had patches and fixes released ever week for months on end; and just about any other game you can mention today (ESO's a great example).

F4 is pretty clean now and certainly more stable than any other Beth game released to date.

Unfortunately, it's about making money and getting the game out there once the hype hits full tilt whether it's actually the cleanest thing they can release or not.

I still love Beth games though, warts and all.

Bring it on Beth! I'll play a super buggy TES6 and put up with your patches and fixes for the next 3 years. Just bring it on!

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Witcher 3 is not reasonable to compare to the likes of the other games listed. It ran solidly and with few major bugs, and the devs worked tirelessly and dutifully to fix any that cropped up.

Gidian the Diva said:

Daelon DuLac said:

DrunkenMage said:

Not really. Bethesda games are always generally wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Not to say they're not great games. I wouldn't be worried due to Fallout, rather more worried from the fact Bethesda can release broken games, barely patch out issues and leaving them for the modding PC community to fix every single time.

Bethesda in all fairness are not the best studio out there, they're also a tad lazy lately. Their every increasing use of the words "It just works" is a bit tiring.

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To be charitable, it's not just Bethesda. Look at Dragon Age : Inquisition - a buggy mess that took months to clean up; Witcher 3 - had patches and fixes released ever week for months on end; and just about any other game you can mention today (ESO's a great example).

F4 is pretty clean now and certainly more stable than any other Beth game released to date.

Unfortunately, it's about making money and getting the game out there once the hype hits full tilt whether it's actually the cleanest thing they can release or not.

I still love Beth games though, warts and all.

Bring it on Beth! I'll play a super buggy TES6 and put up with your patches and fixes for the next 3 years. Just bring it on!

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Witcher 3 is not reasonable to compare to the likes of the other games listed. It ran solidly and with few major bugs, and the devs worked tirelessly and dutifully to fix any that cropped up.

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True on Witcher 3. It was definitely one of the most stable and glitch free games that I have ever played at release. On the other hand, just because they were "better" than 90% of the developers out there, does not mean that it was without glitches or issues and does not mitigate the fact that there were updates and fixes released on a weekly basis for months to fix them. IMHO I believe that it is quite appropriate to include it in my listing of AAA RPG game releases.

Witcher 3 actually amazed me, I was completely drawn in and cared for the characters in it. Was the first game I ever played where minor side quests turned into very interesting questlines. I pissed myself laughing when opening a coffin and having a Vampire ask me if it was 1358 yet, when the character said no, he promptly told me to fl*ff off and shut the coffin.

Really beautifully done game, and you got all this free stuff to go with it + a thank you letter from the game studio.

Daelon DuLac said:

Gidian the Diva said:

Daelon DuLac said:

To be charitable, it's not just Bethesda. Look at Dragon Age : Inquisition - a buggy mess that took months to clean up; Witcher 3 - had patches and fixes released ever week for months on end; and just about any other game you can mention today (ESO's a great example).

F4 is pretty clean now and certainly more stable than any other Beth game released to date.

Unfortunately, it's about making money and getting the game out there once the hype hits full tilt whether it's actually the cleanest thing they can release or not.

I still love Beth games though, warts and all.

Bring it on Beth! I'll play a super buggy TES6 and put up with your patches and fixes for the next 3 years. Just bring it on!

Click to expand...

Witcher 3 is not reasonable to compare to the likes of the other games listed. It ran solidly and with few major bugs, and the devs worked tirelessly and dutifully to fix any that cropped up.

Click to expand...

True on Witcher 3. It was definitely one of the most stable and glitch free games that I have ever played at release. On the other hand, just because they were "better" than 90% of the developers out there, does not mean that it was without glitches or issues and does not mitigate the fact that there were updates and fixes released on a weekly basis for months to fix them. IMHO I believe that it is quite appropriate to include it in my listing of AAA RPG game releases.

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No, it wasn't. You listed it alongside Inquisition, describing it as a "buggy mess". The fact that it received updates and patches on a weekly basis for small bugs on an otherwise superbly stable game on release date does them more credit, whereas your wording implied it was negative.

Sorry if I'm being nitpicky and annoying, it's just habit

I loved that in one of the patches to fix an exploit they made a high leveled monster appear if you did it. Or have a tax collector appear if you had a large amount of money asking you various questions if you had conducted certain known exploits.