Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
Do you guys think that maybe the Imperials have finally managed to get through Pale Pass? I mean, it's been nearly 5 years and I want to know how the story continues.
 

ThorEl

New Member
It has to be the Empire. One of the key reasons the Stormcloaks are so mad at the Empire is that they "bow to the Thalmor," but without the Empire Skyrim is an independent and weak realm ripe for taking by the Thalmor. Not only are the Stormcloaks lead by a racist, self-serving, power-hungry zealot, they fail to understand that this rebellion for rebellion's sake weakens Skyrim as a whole in the long run. The Thalmor are more "evil" than either the Stormcloaks or the Imperials, and it is the Empire that recognise staying unified against this threat is the only way to protect Tamriel from Thalmor domination.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
It has to be the Empire. One of the key reasons the Stormcloaks are so mad at the Empire is that they "bow to the Thalmor," but without the Empire Skyrim is an independent and weak realm ripe for taking by the Thalmor. Not only are the Stormcloaks lead by a racist, self-serving, power-hungry zealot, they fail to understand that this rebellion for rebellion's sake weakens Skyrim as a whole in the long run. The Thalmor are more "evil" than either the Stormcloaks or the Imperials, and it is the Empire that recognise staying unified against this threat is the only way to protect Tamriel from Thalmor domination.


Absolutely none of this matters. The Empire has individuals who display the same negative qualities you listed above and part of the reason the Thalmor are acting in this manner today is directly due to the foul deeds and malicious actions of Emperor Tiber Septim.

In other words, the Empire has all the same negative qualities as the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor are 'reacting' to the legacy of lies, destruction, theft and the colossal embarrassment placed on both Tamriel and the Dominion by the actions of the Empire, Reman and esp Tiber Septim - most of all.

The real hope seen here, is the Empire has finally acknowledged the true identity of Tiber Septim - the man - the destroyer and not this loving, benevolent god proven by his own deeds and actions carried out not just against the Dominion, but against others who could not defend themselves from him.

Your Empire is afraid, afraid not... just because they lost the war... they are afraid because they can no longer hide from the truth about Tiber Septim and thus, themselves. The Stormcloaks I admit are in denial however at least they are willing to fight for their Gods and their Lands, same as the Thalmor.

You do errr on this. In the long run, the Empire shall drag Skyrim down with it unless something changes. It is not my place to say who will win and I care for neither. The very fact your Empire is in so much trouble now is that it's been so powerful for so long people have lost site of reality. Sometimes when people defend the Empire, being so heavy-handed against the Stormcloaks, it makes one wonder if they're holding onto denial of the situation or are just afraid to face the possibility that the Empire has been wrong this whole time and are too proud to admit it.

Ulfric may be alot of things however, the Thalmor had to get their hands dirty and freedom was the result. It will have to be the same with the Nords if they want to survive. It is the way of things and your Empire thus far has proven unwilling to do what needs to be done.

And if they cannot do that, why tell the Stormcloaks not to do anything about it?
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Don't take my things.
Apologies, Arch-Mage. It was a crisis, and I was acting in the best interests of the College.


Stop encouraging him. The Staff of Magnus belongs to neither of you, nor is it the property of the college. Furthermore, Ancano proved Thalmor Wizards have no need of your silly staffs to interact with and to control magical devices.
 

Davian

Member
Don't take my things.
Apologies, Arch-Mage. It was a crisis, and I was acting in the best interests of the College.


Stop encouraging him. The Staff of Magnus belongs to neither of you, nor is it the property of the college. Furthermore, Ancano proved Thalmor Wizards have no need of your silly staffs to interact with and to control magical devices.
However - *pew, pew, pew*!
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
*Sigh*

You guys are still arguing about this?

pfft

Thalmor have already won fools. You can run to the Empire or you can run to the Stormcloaks however neither of them can outrun the Dominion or for that matter the Thalmor. Unless maybe you go to Morrowind, well what's left of it. XD

We argue based on the way things should be, you know, what we see as being 'fair'... How we would like things to be... The Empire is really alright and Ulfric is a nice guy and look how nicely his hair is braided. None of that matters, this is THE END for the Imperials and the Stormcloaks. Elven supremacy is the only truth.

You know what happen to the last elf race that decided to mess with the Nords? I thought you silly elves would know by now.

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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
You know what happen to the last elf race that decided to mess with the Nords? I thought you silly elves would know by now.

Went underground, multiplied in vast numbers and their surface raids became legend as the Nords would blame them for almost every misfortune. Now slowly gathering to invade the surface in an endless cruel uncompromising wave spurting up from under every corner of Skyrim?

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mett1982

New Member
I picked the Stormcloaks because my character's race is a Nord. I felt like it was a better choice to follow with the Stormcloaks because everyone that you talk to say how all true Nords are against the Imperials. So that is really the reason I choose the storm cloaks over the Imperials. My first playthrough I choose the Imperials and I don't really remember how the storyline. Maybe the next time I play through Skyrim I will revisit choosing the Imperials over the Stormcloaks.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
I picked the Stormcloaks because my character's race is a Nord. I felt like it was a better choice to follow with the Stormcloaks because everyone that you talk to say how all true Nords are against the Imperials. So that is really the reason I choose the storm cloaks over the Imperials. My first playthrough I choose the Imperials and I don't really remember how the storyline. Maybe the next time I play through Skyrim I will revisit choosing the Imperials over the Stormcloaks.
I hope so. The Stormcloaks are lame! Take it from an Altmer.
 

Xalia13

New Member
I was a High Elf and still went with Stormcloaks anyhow. They just had to learn to respect me and my race. I suppose the threat of being decapitated at the beginning of my journey may had something to do with my choice. Both sides are power hungry so just have fun.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
You know what happen to the last elf race that decided to mess with the Nords? I thought you silly elves would know by now.

Went underground, multiplied in vast numbers and their surface raids became legend as the Nords would blame them for almost every misfortune. Now slowly gathering to invade the surface in an endless cruel uncompromising wave spurting up from under every corner of Skyrim?

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Ancano

High Justiciar
I was a High Elf and still went with Stormcloaks anyhow. They just had to learn to respect me and my race. I suppose the threat of being decapitated at the beginning of my journey may had something to do with my choice. Both sides are power hungry so just have fun.


You know the very *first* character of mine was Altmer and the very *first* faction city I visited was Windhelm.

Sometimes people aren't going to do what you and I think they *should* do. It's one reason I got out of there fast as I could, with the main point being "why attack Whiterun if they're already free?"

That's a whole nother' topic however you mentioned respect. And after playing Skyrim, I lost respect for Imperials and Stormcloaks, however Jarl Baalgruuf came to be an authority that could be respected because they already were respectful.

And that's... that's another lesson I've learned from playing Elder Scrolls Online. People don't change, they have reasons and history which establishes who they are. Telling them to... "well I'm here now... in your home and you will just have to deal with it and forget about our differences..." uhhh that does not work.

Even the Thalmor get along well with Whiterun, hardly ever an issue unless they attack the player and said player is affiliated with the Empire. Otherwise the guards leave you and them alone.
 
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OursIsTheFury

New Member
We need A UNITED EMPIRE to defeat the rebuilding Aldmeri Dominion! Why can't you people see that? A newly independent Skyrim led by Ulfric and flanked by the Dragonborn would still be too weak, as its citizens and cities in general have been ravaged by a bloody civil war against their own people. If a united empire can't defeat the Thalmor, do you think a region who just got burned to a crisp by the return of the dragons, the living dead, and blind elves lurking in the shadows, can stand a chance against them? No! Unity is the solution, and you know it deep down!
 

Chris_A

New Member
We need A UNITED EMPIRE to defeat the rebuilding Aldmeri Dominion! Why can't you people see that? A newly independent Skyrim led by Ulfric and flanked by the Dragonborn would still be too weak, as its citizens and cities in general have been ravaged by a bloody civil war against their own people. If a united empire can't defeat the Thalmor, do you think a region who just got burned to a crisp by the return of the dragons, the living dead, and blind elves lurking in the shadows, can stand a chance against them? No! Unity is the solution, and you know it deep down!

Completely agree. That was precisely the fact why I always sided with the Empire. An independent Skyrim could never stand up against the Thalmor alone. It also had a lot of things to do with the fact that I hated Ulfric, being the arrogant douchebag that he is.
 

Davian

Member
On the other hand, if the Empire let Skyrim go, and just said "Yeah, the Empire still supports the WGC, but Skyrim is independent of us, so the treaty does not apply there", it would save us all a lot of men killing men, so we could all focus on killing Thalmor bitches.

Not to get too meta about things, but there has been much discussion in real-world Europe about seeing Greece exit the Eurozone because they were dragging down the whole EU. A similar scenario could be argued as happening in Skyrim. The presence of Talos worship is a point of contention across Tamriel, but if Skyrim was let go of by the Empire, it could also pull all of its troops from Skyrim and protect its other borders against the Dominion.

I envision an independent Skyrim more like Switzerland, though. Defend its own turf, helped by its mountainous terrain, and send aid to neighbours when requested. Oh, and maybe hold two warring factions' wallets while they fight. That's what the Swiss do. :Dragonborn::beermug:
 
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Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
it would save us all a lot of men killing men, so we could all focus on killing Thalmor bitches.

No, it wouldn't. The pro-Imperial Jarls or other powerful nobles and merchants would probably end up plotting against Ulfric, and even if they managed to assassinate him - before the Thalmor do, *cough* - there would be an empty throne, again. In the meantime the civilians are plucked apart by rogue soldiers, bandits, rogue mages/necromancers, dragons and what have you. Stormcloaks = Skyrim's gravediggers.

Plus, by the time the Stormcloaks have rebuilt, Cyrodiil will be Dominion territory. And once they've established themselves well enough in Cyrodiil, Skyrim will be next. R.I.P.
 

Davian

Member
The pro-Imperial Jarls or other powerful nobles and merchants would probably end up plotting against Ulfric, and even if they managed to assassinate him - before the Thalmor do, *cough* - there would be an empty throne, again. In the meantime the civilians are plucked apart by rogue soldiers, bandits, rogue mages/necromancers, dragons and what have you. Stormcloaks = Skyrim's gravediggers.

Plus, by the time the Stormcloaks have rebuilt, Cyrodiil will be Dominion territory. And once they've established themselves well enough in Cyrodiil, Skyrim will be next. R.I.P.

Cyrodiil wouldn't become Dominion territory if the Legion was bolstered by all the Legionnaires currently illegally occupying Skyrim, like the US Army did in Iraq. IIRC, the reason the Great War ended in a truce was because both sides were losing a lot of people, and the war effort couldn't be sustained. As of the events in Skyrim, you've got, what - a good half? of the Legionnaires that would be stationed in Cyrodiil off fighting against Nords who just want independence and religious freedom. Those troops ought to come back home and defend against the real danger. Same logic I believe in for the real world. US bases on foreign soil should be closed.

What a terrible waste.

For someone who supports the Imperials, you sure seem to have a lack of faith in your own army's chances against the Dominion. Logic flaw!

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!
 

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
The pro-Imperial Jarls or other powerful nobles and merchants would probably end up plotting against Ulfric, and even if they managed to assassinate him - before the Thalmor do, *cough* - there would be an empty throne, again. In the meantime the civilians are plucked apart by rogue soldiers, bandits, rogue mages/necromancers, dragons and what have you. Stormcloaks = Skyrim's gravediggers.

Plus, by the time the Stormcloaks have rebuilt, Cyrodiil will be Dominion territory. And once they've established themselves well enough in Cyrodiil, Skyrim will be next. R.I.P.

Cyrodiil wouldn't become Dominion territory if the Legion was bolstered by all the Legionnaires currently illegally occupying Skyrim, like the US Army did in Iraq. IIRC, the reason the Great War ended in a truce was because both sides were losing a lot of people, and the war effort couldn't be sustained. As of the events in Skyrim, you've got, what - a good half? of the Legionnaires that would be stationed in Cyrodiil off fighting against Nords who just want independence and religious freedom. Those troops ought to come back home and defend against the real danger. Same logic I believe in for the real world. US bases on foreign soil should be closed.

What a terrible waste.

For someone who supports the Imperials, you sure seem to have a lack of faith in your own army's chances against the Dominion. Logic flaw!

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!

No, it's just poorly educated Stormcloaks who see non-existant flaws. The Imperial forces currently in Skyrim are the bare minimum the Emperor was willing to give, judging from Tullius' dialogue such as "If only the Emperor would send me the reinforces I've requested!" How you expect to defeat the Thalmor when you can't even handle Imperial trainees is beyond me.
 

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