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Nocte Aeterna

Sir Not-Appearing-in-This-Film
So, I've been re-reading the books in preparation for Winds of Winter, in case ol' Georgey-boi fulfils his wish to publish before season 6. About halfway through Storm of Swords part 1 (sort of mid-late season 3 for the non-book-readers :p) and I have done the impossible.

I HAVE FOUND AN INTERESTING BRAN CHAPTER.
No wonder Season 5 interested me so much. No Bran whatsoever!
 

EpicVakarian

Calibration-Master General
Bran's story is never awesome. It's dull and full of mystical bullplops I don't give a fluff about. The only reason the chapter I mentioned was interesting is because Meera Reed was telling a story that was quite interesting in terms of the lore (it was the Harrenhal tourney, pre-Robert's Rebellion, for those who are aware of it).
 

EpicVakarian

Calibration-Master General
Two things.
  1. Nobody likes Bran. Bran chapters are notoriously boring, at least in the opinion of everyone I've ever spoken to about the books.
  2. You don't know how it ends, none of us do, so you can't say anything like that anyway :p
 

Daryl Dixon

Absentee
I just did. I know his chapters are boring. I don't know how it ends, obviously, but not only can I say what I want I think we all know Bran is one of the most significant characters in the series. GRRM wouldn't show us those boring chapters otherwise. Asides, these magical fairy land people are probably a big deal :p

Bran is going to be very significant by the end.
 

EpicVakarian

Calibration-Master General
Yeah, I know he's likely to be a big character. I just hope he gets more interesting in the process. The fact that the show wiped one of the best aspects of his story (Coldhands) doesn't help, either :p
 

Daryl Dixon

Absentee
I know... As someone who started reading the books after S3 of the show a lot of these changes probably haven't gotten to me as much as other people but there is actually some really good things they've been leaving out. I hope they find a way to incorporate him.. Although Bran just passed the last part where he could have been introduced and played his part :sadface:
Ah now you've got me missing the plots that wont make it to TV.
The ending of season 5 had me thinking it was the start of Coldhands.. Then I was like. Oh. This again. His last word was not the right word. I hope you get what all that means, even though this is a spoiler thread I'm trying to avoid spoilers haha.
 

imaginepageant

Slytherin Alumni
I like Bran...

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Nocte Aeterna

Sir Not-Appearing-in-This-Film
Has anyone heard of the rumor floating around about Jon Snow actually being the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark? I highly doubt that's the case, but I feel like there's far more to his character than his supposed bastard parentage would imply.

Melisandre will probably resurrect him. That's my gut instinct.
 

EpicVakarian

Calibration-Master General
I think just about everyone's heard that theory :p I actually think it could possibly be; though, if GRRM's original plan was to do that, he may well have changed it to be less predictable. To me, R+L=J seems pretty feasible; for one, Ned never spoke of Jon's parentage. Second, Ned was the most honourable man of them all, it's pretty unlikely he'd go off to war, newly married, and come back with a bastard son. Third, there's Ned's flashback to the Tower of Joy, where Lyanna is lying in a bed of blood and saying "promise me, Ned". We don't know what Ned promised; in my opinion, I think it may well be that Lyanna was left with Rhaegar's son (having fallen in love with Rhaegar; either like Dany did with Drogo, or she was always in on it and went off with Rhaegar willingly), and in her dying moments, pushed her son on Ned to raise as his own bastard. I find it more likely that Ned would agree to take Jon as his own at his sister's dying wish and the cost of his apparent honour than him legitimately fathering a bastard.

That's just me though. I can't really see a likely alternative as to who Jon's parents are, unless Martin throws a complete curveball and says "nah, he was actually Ned's bastard", which I also find unlikely. Realistically, what else is there? Jon clearly is a Stark; he's got the minor warg powers (like Bran but far less prevalent), he's got the Stark look (in the books certainly), etc etc. The main event that pushes me away from thinking he's part-Targaryen is the first wight encounter, in Mormont's chambers. When the black brother is revived as a wight, and Jon throws a lantern at it and burns the tower down to kill it; for the entire rest of the books, Jon's chapters mention him flexing his fingers constantly to prevent his burned hand from getting raw and broken. Dany (and Aegon the conqueror, I believe) however, had that immunity to fire; Dany likes her baths scalding hot, braved the flames to birth her dragons, just took it as Drogon burned Pyat Pree with Dany beside him, etc. However, Viserys and Aerys certainly did NOT have that immunity, and I don't know if it's certain that Rhaegar did. So it's certainly still a possibility, and the more you look at Jon's burned hand, the more you think psychologically, in Martin's mind, it may well be a way to put people off thinking he's Targaryen, when in fact he is.

But no-one really knows :p
 

Daryl Dixon

Absentee
Only the Targaryen can ride dragons. Remember that.

And the Bran with his powerful warging, it's suggested he will warg into a dragon (you will fly), especially since he could warg into a person and nobody else is known to that. I'm not sure if it's that obvious though... Maybe the dragon in Brans vision over kings landing was Bran in the dragon.

But Jon, if R + L = J can ride a dragon, Dany obviously can... And then there's another dragon which might die or be warged or maybe none of any of this.

But if Jon is Targaryen, he is not staying dead and serves a huge purpose. I can't imaging any scenario where these characters get into this scenario while fitting with the rest of the plot, though. Interested to see what happens.


Also GRRM talked about changing plots because fans guessed them, but then said that would ruin the story as he has left all these clues. Doesn't mean we're right though
 

Mighty Pecan Pie

The secret American
Jon is going to be alive?? :eek:
 

Daryl Dixon

Absentee
He's definitely dead right now, but in the books at least he will return. Probably the show, but definitely the books.
 

imaginepageant

Slytherin Alumni
Has anyone heard of the rumor floating around about Jon Snow actually being the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark? I highly doubt that's the case, but I feel like there's far more to his character than his supposed bastard parentage would imply.
Oh, he definitely is. I would bet every penny in my bank account that he is. There is an outrageous amount of evidence for it, and even more once you start digging really deep. I find it hilarious that there are still people trying to argue against this. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It is known.
 

imaginepageant

Slytherin Alumni
Only the Targaryen can ride dragons. Remember that.
This is false. It is confirmed in the World of Ice and Fire book that non-Targaryens were trained to ride dragons in the early years after Aegon's conquest.

especially since he could warg into a person and nobody else is known to that.
This is also false. It's rare, and is extremely taboo, but it happens. The wildling Varamyr Sixskins warged into a human, but she was able to push him out of her body. Bran can do it easily with Hodor due to their emotional bond and Hodor's mental weakness.
 
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