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General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
Some insight into the mind of an Altmer.

The Eight have spoken to me! Me, of all the Mer in the Summerset Isles. They chose me. My mother always said I was destined for greatness.

Step back, his mom said he was great. Got ourselves a hero over here.
Are you telling me....that my mommy lied to me? ;-;
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion

Ancano

High Justiciar
Are you telling me....that my mommy lied to me? ;-;

Your mom doesn't have the qualifications to determine who is a her
Are you telling me....that my mommy lied to me? ;-;


I don't think that's anybodys call to make. Granted, we hang Talos worshippers so there is that however... Thalmor aren't saying that these plp aren't spiritual or don't talk to the Divines. We just hate Talos.

So, it's really no one's place to say that. Perhaps the Divines spoke with them, perhaps not.

You jest at a mer who has possibly related to the Divines yet ordain a blood thirsty, lieing, megalomaniac-conquerer-sycophant as a 'God'.

In other words, the Imperials can call someone a God but if some humble Mer were to be able to relate to God proper, he's a loser?
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Some insight into the mind of an Altmer.

The Eight have spoken to me! Me, of all the Mer in the Summerset Isles. They chose me. My mother always said I was destined for greatness.

Step back, his mom said he was great. Got ourselves a hero over here.


Your little 'Imperial Occupation' combined with the Fall of the Crystal Tower, coupled with abandoning the Dominion during the Oblivion Crises has corrected the thinking.

Congratulations! You now have a monster to deal with that has ruined your Empire and will hopefully finish it off soon. Even if not, alot of damage will be done and the Empire will not be the same again.

Titus Mede II went to his grave with the understanding himself that he was only a servant of the Thalmor and accepted the Empire's place in the Dominion.

You can poke fun all you like however the fact is your Empire stands broken and is indirectly ruled by the Thalmor. How long that will last however, I'm not shor.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Your little 'Imperial Occupation' combined with the Fall of the Crystal Tower, coupled with abandoning the Dominion during the Oblivion Crises has corrected the thinking.

Abandoned? Thalmor overthrew the Imperials during the chaos of the Stormcrown Interregnum and took Valenwood while the Empire was recovering from the seven years of Civil War in which Imperial authority had dropped in all the provinces.

Congratulations! You now have a monster to deal with that has ruined your Empire and will hopefully finish it off soon. Even if not, alot of damage will be done and the Empire will not be the same again.

Titus Mede II went to his grave with the understanding himself that he was only a servant of the Thalmor and accepted the Empire's place in the Dominion.

You can poke fun all you like however the fact is your Empire stands broken and is indirectly ruled by the Thalmor. How long that will last however, I'm not shor.

A broken and ruined Empire will always be stronger than the Aldmeri Dominion. At their peak they could not handle a weakened Empire, couldn't even work out the strength of the Legions twice!

The only thing the Thalmor rule are the illusions they create. The Empire's place is in the Dominion, when they invade Aldmeri lands unleashing the fury of mankind.

You can speak of Thalmor superiority all you like, but you'll come to regret not destroying the Empire during the Great War.

Thalmor had one chance and it was wasted. The Aldmeri Dominion cannot grow any stronger, it cannot gather more strength. All those who support them in their lands and beyond are already incorporated into their ranks, the ideology of the Thalmor prevent massive regrouping.

Talk big and try hide your little purges inside Valenwood, because you're not as stable as you'd like to be. Smaller than the Empire and can't even maintain the levels of stability the Imperials achieve... Pathetic wannabes. It has taken them two hundred years to gain three provinces, when the Empire only took decades to gain majority of Tamriel.

Ondolemar is right about one thing, a storm is coming. Our storm.

"But they are no match for Legionnaires. You are the best and the brightest warriors in Tamriel. Professional soldiers, fearless and devastating."

Ask the Ayleids what happened when they tried to enslave. Ask the Falmer what happened when they tried to halt the spread of mankind. Ask the lefthanded elves what happened when they met in battle.

Thalmor can boast about what... That they nearly defeated the Empire? Nearly only means you failed.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Your little 'Imperial Occupation' combined with the Fall of the Crystal Tower, coupled with abandoning the Dominion during the Oblivion Crises has corrected the thinking.

Abandoned? Thalmor overthrew the Imperials during the chaos of the Stormcrown Interregnum and took Valenwood while the Empire was recovering from the seven years of Civil War in which Imperial authority had dropped in all the provinces.


Ok let's try this post again.

The Empire occupied Summerset to keep them under control. This proved destructive on the Dominion who couldn't take care of itself as long as the Imperials had to have 'their say'.

You do not now and did not then belong in the Sumerset Isles / Dominion. All it did was set them back because the Imperials were control freaks who were afraid they might have to respect an Elven authority.

Thus, the Empire abandoned the Dominion and others such as Morrowind during the Oblivion crises. It was the Interregnum as much as your *complete failure* to protect the Dominion citizens that got you thrown out on your arse, which should have happened much sooner than it did.
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
Congratulations! You now have a monster to deal with that has ruined your Empire and will hopefully finish it off soon. Even if not, alot of damage will be done and the Empire will not be the same again.

Titus Mede II went to his grave with the understanding himself that he was only a servant of the Thalmor and accepted the Empire's place in the Dominion.

You can poke fun all you like however the fact is your Empire stands broken and is indirectly ruled by the Thalmor. How long that will last however, I'm not shor.

A broken and ruined Empire will always be stronger than the Aldmeri Dominion. At their peak they could not handle a weakened Empire, couldn't even work out the strength of the Legions twice!

The only thing the Thalmor rule are the illusions they create. The Empire's place is in the Dominion, when they invade Aldmeri lands unleashing the fury of mankind.

You can speak of Thalmor superiority all you like, but you'll come to regret not destroying the Empire during the Great War.

Thalmor had one chance and it was wasted. The Aldmeri Dominion cannot grow any stronger, it cannot gather more strength. All those who support them in their lands and beyond are already incorporated into their ranks, the ideology of the Thalmor prevent massive regrouping.

Talk big and try hide your little purges inside Valenwood, because you're not as stable as you'd like to be. Smaller than the Empire and can't even maintain the levels of stability the Imperials achieve... Pathetic wannabes. It has taken them two hundred years to gain three provinces, when the Empire only took decades to gain majority of Tamriel.

Ondolemar is right about one thing, a storm is coming. Our storm.

"But they are no match for Legionnaires. You are the best and the brightest warriors in Tamriel. Professional soldiers, fearless and devastating."

Ask the Ayleids what happened when they tried to enslave. Ask the Falmer what happened when they tried to halt the spread of mankind. Ask the lefthanded elves what happened when they met in battle.

Thalmor can boast about what... That they nearly defeated the Empire? Nearly only means you failed.


I'm familiar with what happened to the Ayleids but that was a very different situation. They were a conflicted people. Powerful and ruled the heart of Tamriel if not Tamriel itself for perhaps thousands of years.

That's the lesson you need to take away from this too. It doesn't matter how powerful you think you are or may be, an end can come in the most unlikeliest of places. The Empire has been around for a while but you too are conflicted and not taking care of your own people.

What's good about the Dominion is they have not lost site of the big picture, even after hundreds of years of occupation. With you, you sign one treaty and everyone loses their minds. You turn on the very people who kept your Empire alive.... Think about it.

Purges with us are like... trimming back a tree, pruning if you will. The Imperial corruption must be rooted out and that includes your people who are still among us. No offense but we don't want 'them' around. When the Thalmor took over, it was made *very clear* to everyone that things are going to have to change and if you don't like said change ---> go into exile.

Just leave. Some folks didn't want to do that. They're thinking is still from 'back in the day'. Which is the type of thinking that nearly destroyed the Summerset Isles, it did destroy the Crystal Tower as well as almost ALL the lemmings who died getting flayed and otherwise massacred believing the Empire was going to save them.

They were deceived and allowed themselves to be lulled into this sense of 'false-security' which was really nothing more than a system of control.. I sincerely hope whatever road the dev take on this, they do not allow this to happen to us again.
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Ok let's try this post again.

The Empire occupied Summerset to keep them under control. This proved destructive on the Dominion who couldn't take care of itself as long as the Imperials had to have 'their say'.

Though they had hundreds of years of peace and prosperity. Very destructive indeed...

All it did was set them back because the Imperials were control freaks who were afraid they might have to respect an Elven authority.

Says the group that assassinated the High Elven leader of the Empire in the early Fourth Era.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Ok let's try this post again.

The Empire occupied Summerset to keep them under control. This proved destructive on the Dominion who couldn't take care of itself as long as the Imperials had to have 'their say'.

Though they had hundreds of years of peace and prosperity. Very destructive indeed...

All it did was set them back because the Imperials were control freaks who were afraid they might have to respect an Elven authority.

Says the group that assassinated the High Elven leader of the Empire in the early Fourth Era.


roflmao

You can't be serious. No wait you is serious. *Peace and prosperity* for the Cyrodil Empire and it's interests.

You can have Peace or you can have Freedom. Don't ever expect to have both at one time.

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On a personal note, peace doesn't mean a damn thing. It is not necessarily the absence of conflict. Prosperity however is subjective.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
This is what the 2nd Great War will be like. Imperials best hurry up and book some room underground... in the cellar... in a well, ditch, bucket, shoe, tree trunk, hole in the ground, whatever...


Don't that kick a little a$$. :D
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
roflmao

You can't be serious. No wait you is serious. *Peace and prosperity* for the Cyrodil Empire and it's interests.


You're talking in circles now, you don't have anything to really go on. Fact is that Valenwood didn't have many issues under the Empire, quite the opposite since they like trading with Cyrodiil. Summerset Isle did well under the Empire.

You can have Peace or you can have Freedom. Don't ever expect to have both at one time.

Except the Thalmor offer neither. You're not free given that the Thalmor conduct racial and ethnic purges, and kill any who oppose them. If you make mistakes you get sent for "reeducation", which probably means you're never heard from again.

The Thalmor barely have a stable grip, having to chase down those who fled from the Dominion and finish the job. Secret purges that they don't want people to hear about, and who knows what else.

On a personal note, peace doesn't mean a damn thing. It is not necessarily the absence of conflict. Prosperity however is subjective.

Dominion lands are filled with conflict. Taken them nearly two hundred years just to become barely equal to the Empire post-Great War.

Thalmor arrogance is their downfall, they've become so deluded they're actually believing the lies they created to come to power. Can't even hope to rule all of Tamriel when they can barely rule now.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
roflmao

You can't be serious. No wait you is serious. *Peace and prosperity* for the Cyrodil Empire and it's interests.


You're talking in circles now, you don't have anything to really go on. Fact is that Valenwood didn't have many issues under the Empire, quite the opposite since they like trading with Cyrodiil. Summerset Isle did well under the Empire.

You can have Peace or you can have Freedom. Don't ever expect to have both at one time.

Except the Thalmor offer neither. You're not free given that the Thalmor conduct racial and ethnic purges, and kill any who oppose them. If you make mistakes you get sent for "reeducation", which probably means you're never heard from again.

The Thalmor barely have a stable grip, having to chase down those who fled from the Dominion and finish the job. Secret purges that they don't want people to hear about, and who knows what else.

On a personal note, peace doesn't mean a damn thing. It is not necessarily the absence of conflict. Prosperity however is subjective.

Dominion lands are filled with conflict. Taken them nearly two hundred years just to become barely equal to the Empire post-Great War.

Thalmor arrogance is their downfall, they've become so deluded they're actually believing the lies they created to come to power. Can't even hope to rule all of Tamriel when they can barely rule now.


All of that is a given. I'd say they've done pretty well so far.

Fact is you have nothing on the Thalmor. Burden of proof is really on the Empire now, who has half a chance to put down a petty rebellion. So far it doesn't look good.

Thalmor have quelled most of their disorderlies, (including the blades) the Justiciars are always combating terrorism.

Thalmor got 99 problems but human rights ain't one.

When the Empire can sort it's pl*ps out and stand on it's own again -without the Dominion propping it up- then you can beat your chest all you like.
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
All of that is a given. I'd say they've done pretty well so far.

Fact is you have nothing on the Thalmor. Burden of proof is really on the Empire now, who has half a chance to put down a petty rebellion. So far it doesn't look good.

Empire nearly put down the petty rebellion, Tullius using limited resources, manpower and working against Thalmor interference nearly destroyed your little plans. All within a few short months.

I find it quite amusing you would use an argument so many Stormcloaks try and pull, "can't end a little rebellion" despite the fact it actually took an immortal aspect of a God to stop the Imperials from winning, I'd say it is looking damn good.

Thalmor had one thing going for them, element of surprise. They blew it.

Thalmor only rose to power when the Empire was distracted during the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis, they only managed to expand when the Empire had descended into Civil War during the Stormcrown Interregnum. Managing to cause a coup in Valenwood while Mede was dealing with recovering the Empire from the Stormcrown Interregnum and what effects of the Oblivion Crisis that remained.

Had it not been for a floating island of doom, and hordes of undead sweeping across Cyrodiil. The Thalmor would have been annihilated long ago. Fact is whatever espionage the Thalmor have been doing isn't working against the Empire, they couldn't even figure out the strength of the Imperial Army when they've had over one hundred years of plotting, and preparing.

They were arrogant and foolish enough to actually believe Titus Mede II was going to surrender in the winter of 174-175. Clearly they have no understanding of mankind.

Thalmor have quelled most of their disorderlies, (including the blades) the Justiciars are always combating terrorism.

Please, the Thalmor couldn't even handle Delphine. The entire success of the Thalmor has been due to the fact the Empire has been distracted or was content with their current holdings.

Now the Empire's focus has turned towards the Thalmor, gearing up for war. You really think they're going to defeat the Empire in a war they're prepared for? Dominion couldn't even defeat a weakened unprepared Empire, now suddenly they can beat the Legion fighting on their own terms?

The Thalmor of the Fourth Era are an empty boast, a corrupted shell of those who came before. Not even worthy of taking the name of Thalmor or the Aldmeri Dominion.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
All of that is a given. I'd say they've done pretty well so far.

Fact is you have nothing on the Thalmor. Burden of proof is really on the Empire now, who has half a chance to put down a petty rebellion. So far it doesn't look good.

Empire nearly put down the petty rebellion, Tullius using limited resources, manpower and working against Thalmor interference nearly destroyed your little plans. All within a few short months.

I find it quite amusing you would use an argument so many Stormcloaks try and pull, "can't end a little rebellion" despite the fact it actually took an immortal aspect of a God to stop the Imperials from winning, I'd say it is looking damn good.

Thalmor had one thing going for them, element of surprise. They blew it.

Thalmor only rose to power when the Empire was distracted during the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis, they only managed to expand when the Empire had descended into Civil War during the Stormcrown Interregnum. Managing to cause a coup in Valenwood while Mede was dealing with recovering the Empire from the Stormcrown Interregnum and what effects of the Oblivion Crisis that remained.

Had it not been for a floating island of doom, and hordes of undead sweeping across Cyrodiil. The Thalmor would have been annihilated long ago. Fact is whatever espionage the Thalmor have been doing isn't working against the Empire, they couldn't even figure out the strength of the Imperial Army when they've had over one hundred years of plotting, and preparing.

They were arrogant and foolish enough to actually believe Titus Mede II was going to surrender in the winter of 174-175. Clearly they have no understanding of mankind.

Thalmor have quelled most of their disorderlies, (including the blades) the Justiciars are always combating terrorism.

Please, the Thalmor couldn't even handle Delphine. The entire success of the Thalmor has been due to the fact the Empire has been distracted or was content with their current holdings.

Now the Empire's focus has turned towards the Thalmor, gearing up for war. You really think they're going to defeat the Empire in a war they're prepared for? Dominion couldn't even defeat a weakened unprepared Empire, now suddenly they can beat the Legion fighting on their own terms?

The Thalmor of the Fourth Era are an empty boast, a corrupted shell of those who came before. Not even worthy of taking the name of Thalmor or the Aldmeri Dominion.


Man none of that pl*ps matters. Dominion is about the big picture. We have Justiciars and other agents for "splitting hairs", which is what your argument is all about.

AD accomplished enough in 200 yrs to rival what you call an Empire and nearly destroyed it too. What you can't handle a few drunk guys messing around in the woods yet you're going to start standing up to the Dominion? :D

Sit down son before you fall down.
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
AD accomplished enough in 200 yrs to rival what you call an Empire

Exactly, it took two hundred years to reach a level of being barely equal in strength to a declining Empire. Hardly an accomplishment, in fact it shows how bad the Thalmor are at becoming a power. They've achieved in two hundred what took mankind decades.

Mostly due to the fact that the Empire wasn't even paying them much attention.

and nearly destroyed it too.

I'm sorry, where is the part of great accomplishment of failing to destroy a weakened, unprepared Empire?

"We nearly destroyed the Empire!" Big whoop, the thing has nearly been destroyed about five times.

You failed, plain and simple. You only get one chance to bring down the Empire, you'd have thought the Aldmeri would have learned that by now. If you don't get it in the first hit, the fl*ffer will hit you back ten times harder.

One hundred and fifty years of plotting and preparing, five years of major fighting... And you've got "nearly did it" to show for it.

Thalmor had all the advantages: Surprise, military might, preparing for one hundred + years to plan strategy, study tactics and infiltrate the enemy. How the hell do you screw that up, and then come back boasting "We nearly had you, haha! But, we'll get you next time when your military is prepared this time."

That is like dying on novice and saying "Nearly had him, but I'll do better on legendary difficulty!"
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
AD accomplished enough in 200 yrs to rival what you call an Empire

Exactly, it took two hundred years to reach a level of being barely equal in strength to a declining Empire. Hardly an accomplishment, in fact it shows how bad the Thalmor are at becoming a power. They've achieved in two hundred what took mankind decades.

Mostly due to the fact that the Empire wasn't even paying them much attention.

and nearly destroyed it too.

I'm sorry, where is the part of great accomplishment of failing to destroy a weakened, unprepared Empire?

"We nearly destroyed the Empire!" Big whoop, the thing has nearly been destroyed about five times.

You failed, plain and simple. You only get one chance to bring down the Empire, you'd have think the Aldmeri would have learned that by now. If you don't get it in the first hit, the fl*ffer will hit you back ten times harder.

One hundred and fifty years of plotting and preparing, five years of major fighting... And you've got "nearly did it" to show for it.

Thalmor had all the advantages: Surprise, military might, preparing for one hundred + years to plan strategy, study tactics and infiltrate the enemy. How the hell do you screw that up, and then come back boasting "We nearly had you, haha! But, we'll get you next time when your military is prepared this time."

That is like dying on novice and saying "Nearly had him, but I'll do better on legendary difficulty!"


Right however nothing is ever that simple with the Thalmor. Part of the problem is people keep comparing us to the Empire.

They don't live their lives by man's standards. Nor think like you either.

So your calibrations could be way off. Reman and the Septim's thought the game was over too. And where are they now?
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Right however nothing is ever that simple with the Thalmor. Part of the problem is people keep comparing us to the Empire.

Because the Empire is everything the Thalmor stand against, hate and wish they had. Seeking to rule Tamriel, much like the Empire did, only they have less stability.

It has taken two hundred years to become barely equal to an Empire that was on a steady decline, that was hit the hardest during the Oblivion Crisis, had a seven long year Civil War and had hordes of undead swarm across the land besieging the Imperial City.

Not sure why you thought it was an accomplishment, by not even doing anything they should have been by default equal or stronger due to everything that had happened to the Empire.

They don't live their lives by man's standards. Nor think like you either.

Explains why they're unable to hold territory beyond the borders of Valenwood and Elsweyr.

Reman and the Septim's thought the game was over too. And where are they now?

Where is the Falmer civilization that rivaled the Altmer, where are the the Lefthanded Elves, the Ayleids? Where are the previous two incarnations of the Thalmor?

Reman and Septim both achieved greatness, their dynasties remembered for Eras. How many Thalmor rulers are known? What great deeds are credited to them that wasn't propaganda?
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Thalmor always have the advantage.... always. :D

Had. The Thalmor will never achieve the greatness that mankind had with the three Empires. Thalmor ideology of the Fourth Era screws them over, and their arrogance is their greatest weakness.

They're fools, and will get what is coming. They cannot grow in strength, they've weeded out most opposition inside their lands prior to the Great War and threw everything they had in the Great War. All those who can support them already do, they cannot gain any allies either.

Given that mankind breeds rapidly, are able to recover quickly and have all races fight alongside them. I'd say the Thalmor have bitten off more than they could chew.

Fighting one race who has destroyed an elven civilization is hard enough, fighting three who have each brought about the downfall of a race of Mer? Trying to take out Cyrodiil was the worst mistake one could make.

You can "nearly" destroy Cyrodiil all you like. Given the chance they hit back, and when they hit back they conquer.

How loyal do you think Valenwood and Elsweyr will remain after everything they've experienced under Thalmor rule?
 
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