Does Skyrim Foreshadow it's Sequal?

Kohlar the Unkilled · May 29, 2015

On my second playthrough of Oblivion, (and having played it exclusively for the last couple months), it occurs to me that many cues exist which foreshadow Skyrim. I've noticed things pertaining to Skyrim and it's lore reading in-game books, and one in particular that I read last night. In 5 Songs of Wulfharth, they mention Nords using thuums in battle, Ysgramor, the Greybeards, and Alduin, (here referred to as "The Time Eater"). The Blades even refer to Martin Septim as the Dragonborn at Cloud Ruler Temple, (even if it's honorary, since being Dragonborn isn't inherited. Or is it?). It seems not only does Oblivion do a splendid job of setting the stage for the events to come in Skyrim, but makes available the lore for those who are willing, facilitating a more intimate understanding of the land we next inhabit.

I haven't spent a great deal of time reading books in Skyrim, but could there be similar cues foreshadowing the next land we'll explore? Or is the benefit of hindsight causing me to imagine the foreshadowing in Oblivion?

Let the discussion begin. :beermug:

(also feel free to discuss Martin's Dragonborn title, and whether or not it's just a title, as I was initially going to make a separate thread regarding it).

Wildroses · May 30, 2015

I haven't noticed any book foreshadowing, but I've wondered for a while if the Thalmor will be a major part of the next Elder Scrolls game. They sort of seem a dangling plotline in many ways. Well established as terrible people but we don't really strike any major blows against them as an entire organisation in the quests, just mildly disrupt operations in one country. Killing a few members here and there in Skyrim isn't really going to make them suffer much back on the Summerset Isle and the other countries they have a presence in, is it? Maybe the next game is about crippling them as an organisation. We haven't had a game set on the Summerset Isle.

NPCs all seem to think that there is going to be another war soon. Maybe the Thalmor win it and the next game we have to live in a world they control completely. Or maybe the next game will be about averting that war.

I also read a while back one guy saying that in the Thalmor ideology they view the creation of the world as the most terrible event of history as they were forever sundered from the spirit plane they belonged to. Some consider the plane of Mundas as something which needs to be escaped. Trying to stop the Thalmor destroying the world is something you can build the main plot of a game around.

imaginepageant · May 30, 2015

Wildroses said:
NPCs all seem to think that there is going to be another war soon. Maybe the Thalmor win it and the next game we have to live in a world they control completely.

I WANT THIS GAME.

Hala · May 30, 2015

Wildroses said:
I haven't noticed any book foreshadowing, but I've wondered for a while if the Thalmor will be a major part of the next Elder Scrolls game.

I also read a while back one guy saying that in the Thalmor ideology they view the creation of the world as the most terrible event of history as they were forever sundered from the spirit plane they belonged to. Some consider the plane of Mundas as something which needs to be escaped. Trying to stop the Thalmor destroying the world is something you can build the main plot of a game around.

This one? http://celtamongstmen.tumblr.com/post/34374451858/the-elder-scrolls-skyrim-aldmeri-dominion-and

DdraigGwyn · May 31, 2015

Two suggestions, based on events or books

1) Thalmor vs Psijic Order.

2) Lusty Argonians Maids

Maybe a three way confrontation.

imaginepageant · May 31, 2015

DdraigGwyn said:
Maybe a three way confrontation.

Rimfaxe96 · May 31, 2015

Well duh, every second NPC and their mother mentions war against the Thalmor. Considering the track records of elven people trying to wipe out humanity, the possibilities range from playing a rogue underdog in a Thalmor-ruled Tamriel to Altmer being wiped out or near extinction.

But I don't believe we'll have to stop them from destroying Nirn. I mean, that was basically the College of Winterhold questline.

imaginepageant · May 31, 2015

More on-topic, I haven't played other Elder Scrolls games so I don't know how largely the Dwemer were featured in any of them, but they seemed to be featured quite a lot in Skyrim; the Dwemer/Falmer conflict was especially highlighted in the Dawnguard storyline. Might that be foreshadowing? I would absolutely love to have a big Dwemer storyline in a future game. I'm hoping they were displaced in time and will suddenly pop back into existence someday, like Alduin. Dealing with the fallout of their return would be an interesting premise.

Rimfaxe96 · May 31, 2015

There was an actual Dwemer NPC in Morrowind, the last one on Nirn. I don't think that poor fella stands a chance against thousands of Falmer who are starting to emerge from the depths in Skyrim. Although Skyrim suffering from a sudden Falmer infestation could be possible.

N1TR0US 0X1DE01 · Jun 1, 2015

Apart from the locations and items. In vanilla Skyrim (no dlc) I am yet to find a living, breathing Dwemer. How I miss them!

Wildroses · Jun 1, 2015

Oh man, a game based around the return of the Dwemer would be so awesome. I did notice the way they kept emphasising in Skyrim that they all just vanished together in the same moment. Maybe Arniel Gane could return as an NPC.

What would be extra amazing is if we didn't realise until halfway through the questline that it was about the return of the Dwemer. Maybe the quest starts with trying to find someone accidentally pushed out of time, or getting accidentally pushed out ourselves, or we were trying to save the world from some idiot researchers who did something they shouldn't. And halfway through when we succeed in that it turns out that as a side effect the Dwemer have all returned and now we have to deal with the fallout.

imaginepageant · Jun 1, 2015

Wildroses said:
What would be extra amazing is if we didn't realise until halfway through the questline that it was about the return of the Dwemer. Maybe the quest starts with trying to find someone accidentally pushed out of time, or getting accidentally pushed out ourselves, or we were trying to save the world from some idiot researchers who did something they shouldn't. And halfway through when we succeed in that it turns out that as a side effect the Dwemer have all returned and now we have to deal with the fallout.

Ooh, I love this! The main quest could start off entirely unrelated to the Dwemer, but involve an Elder Scroll, somehow, since they play into every game, and it's the Elder Scroll that brings the Dwemer back.

Kohlar the Unkilled · Jun 1, 2015

I've been considering the idea that Skyrim is the first of two or three games that will serve as a 'set-up' for something major, like the return of the Dwemer. It occurs to me that the next game need not be a sequel to Skyrim, rather, it may take place in a different areal of Tamriel at about the same time as Skyrim. Consider that Morrowind and Skyrim are named simply for the place of setting. Oblivion is named for a major, world-changing crisis. Skyrim was a sequel to Oblivion, and the next game may be as well. The return of the Dwemer, in whatever form they may take, would likely be a considerable crisis. So too, would be an invasion from Akavir.

Rimfaxe96 · Jun 1, 2015

Hell no. I hate Dwemer dungeons.

Kohlar the Unkilled · Jun 1, 2015

From the book 'The Mysterious Akavir:'

"First," Tosh Raka says, "is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to invade Tamriel.

Tamriel and Akavir have a storied history that so far has only been alluded to, including a failed invasion attempt by Uriel V. If you haven't read the book, you should. If the lore interests you that is. Should Akavir invade, would the Altmer stand with Tamriel, or might they side with the Tigerdragons, (whatever a tigerdragon is..)? Perhaps it's the destiny of the Blades to return to, and fight for their birthplace from which they were displaced so long ago.

N1TR0US 0X1DE01 · Jun 2, 2015

From Skyrim I am getting the impression that the game is just a forerunner for something bigger. Bigger than ESO. Maybe taking on a new persona or even and a new selectable race and maybe even a new skill to master. I think stuff like this will make an appearance in the next Elder Scrolls (Single Player)

imaginepageant · Jun 2, 2015

Or, how about an invasion from Atmora? A second Ysgramor and his Five Hundred, so to speak? We heard a lot about Atmora in Skyrim.

Dram · Jun 2, 2015

I feel like Beth has been way too busy with preventing TESO from failing to be already bothered with the new game. They're probably working on it right now but I don't think they were already leaving behind clues while developing Skyrim. You could be right though.

I also think a lot of the developing happens bit by bit. People come up with ideas that might or might not fail. And based on that, they change things or decide to walk another route. I wouldn't be surprised if developers hardly ever have good predictions about future games before they actually started working on those games.

Mighty Pecan Pie · Jun 2, 2015

It would be awesome to continue where we left off. Who's gonna be the new High King/Queen. What happened to the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor. Of course, that's all dependent on the choices you made in Skyrim.

So on the other hand, if they choose a story to continue on, for example: Imperials wiped out Stormcloaks; My experience in Skyrim would not fit with the new world, because I played as a Stormcloak that drove out the empire.

If they make a new game, dependent on the choices of the old saves, kinda like you can with Dragon Age. (which would be hard if you played Skyrim on a PS3/360 and the new one on PS4/X1) the game wouldn't be lore friendly. Because the "history" would be different for every player.

I do not know how they did it with Morrowind -> Oblivion -> Skyrim though.. Maybe someone likes to enlighten this?

Kohlar the Unkilled · Jun 3, 2015

Nyoxios said:
It would be awesome to continue where we left off. Who's gonna be the new High King/Queen. What happened to the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor. Of course, that's all dependent on the choices you made in Skyrim.

So on the other hand, if they choose a story to continue on, for example: Imperials wiped out Stormcloaks; My experience in Skyrim would not fit with the new world, because I played as a Stormcloak that drove out the empire.

If they make a new game, dependent on the choices of the old saves, kinda like you can with Dragon Age. (which would be hard if you played Skyrim on a PS3/360 and the new one on PS4/X1) the game wouldn't be lore friendly. Because the "history" would be different for every player.

I do not know how they did it with Morrowind -> Oblivion -> Skyrim though.. Maybe someone likes to enlighten this?

Yes well in Oblivion, the Oblivion crisis is averted. Period. So you bring up an interesting point, because the outcome of the civil war is crucial to the history of Skyrim. Damn... what are they going to do about that??

I'll have to think on this.

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