That isn't exactly true. When you're about to join the Imperial Legion Tullius mentions this:
"In joining the Legion, you'll be taking an oath binding you to the service of the Emperor and thus to every citizen of the Empire. Are you prepared to make that commitment?"
What point are you trying to make? He's there doing his job, defending the Empire.
Being in Skyrim is more of a challenge for Tullius... which is why people like him actually want to be there because of the challenge of solving much needed problems.
What? He's often sent to places that need fixing, as in order restored. I have no doubt what he really wants is to be at home with the rest of the Legions preparing for the Second Great War, instead he has to deal with this insurrection.
Oh don't be putting all the blame all on Ulfric now.
Stormcloak Rebellion. Stormcloak which derives from Ulfric Stormcloak.
Do you honestly expect a bunch of diehard religious people like Ulfric to just accept the fact that their religion is banned by the order of their Federal Government (The Empire) because of another Federal Government (Aldmeri Dominion) who strongly disapproves of the religion?
Yes. Because it was cost of peace, and if they can't worship silently for the sake of thousands of lives then
they and
their religion can get fl*ffed. This wasn't done simply because another Empire "disapproves" this was done because it was needed to secure peace, thousands died in the Great War. Do those lives mean nothing? That treaty was needed to preserve what little was left to regroup and recover.
You don't see the other priests screaming and preaching constantly. I'm not against religion, but if you're threatening people's safety and sparking off another massive war then and there. I'd cut your tongue out. Other people in Skyrim manage to worship Talos quietly without issue. If they can't think logically and have to get all fanatical, then I wouldn't want them leading any country.
Stormcloaks akin themselves to fighting a Holy War, like they're some religious order who damn near worship their own leader. Be the Alessian Order 2.0 if anything.
I don't think so. The moment the WGC was agreed upon by the Emperer was the moment that organzations like the Stormcloaks was born, and continue to prosper.
And yet they only start now, when the Empire and Aldmeri Dominion are so close to another war? Why now? Why not ten years ago or twenty? The Stormcloaks prosper from their indirect Thalmor aid.
As for expecting the Empire to just leave Skyrim because of Ulfrics rebellion... why not?
Are you serious? The rebellion wasn't even that large until Ulfric escaped Helgen. They're still not even very large as half of Skyrim continues to oppose them.
The Empire's military has weaken to the point where it's critical.
No it isn't. The Empire's military presence in Skyrim is very little, in fact the Empire has enough Legionaries to threaten the Aldmeri Dominion's borders, to escort trade shipments from one end of Cyrodiil to another, to fight a Civil War in Skyrim and assemble a secondary force to be ready to march through Pale Pass.
You say the Empire is weak where it is critical, how does that make your side any better? You can't even handle a finger nail of that weakened critical military?
Skyrim needs their own military so that they can learn not to overly depend on the Empire to fight their own battles.
Skyrim always has their own soldiers and warriors, how else do you think they were able to attack House Redoran during/after the Oblivion Crisis or take over Solstheim.
There is no law stating the Jarls can't have their own forces, and they do have their Hold Guards.
Sometimes a downgrade is actually the better solution to regain back your strength.
Except you're weakening yourself on the brink of another Great War. How exactly is that a better solution? That is the most stupid thing one could do, and more Nords die for Ulfric's vanity than any number the Thalmor could have dragged away.
If the Legion knew that the Thalmor are behind the unrest then why aren't they trying to use a diplomatic route instead of fighting the Stormcloaks dead on giving the Thalmor more excuse to eat popcorn?
Ulfric doesn't want to be diplomatic to the Empire. His first action was to kill the High King who was the symbol of the Empire in Skyrim and declare war against the Western Holds, knowing full well that it would bring the Empire's attention down onto them.
"I don't see the use in talking to the Empire." - Ulfric
Ulfric won't make peace with the Empire, and the only reason he talks with Tullius at Season Unending is because of the end of the world and that is just for a temporary truce.
"With us or against us" Yeah, cause that is diplomatic...
How can you say that Tullius isn't at fault when they technically are solely base on their actions? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That is how you can truly defeat your primary enemy.
And yet it was Ulfric who started a Civil War, so you blame the Empire for not being diplomatic?
Sight... and you call Ulfric thick minded.. SMH. Tullius was in an open environment where he could very well escape if he so desire back in Helgen. He had a sense of security where he was surrounded by his own legionnaires. It is a completely different environment back in castle Dour during battle for solitude where he no longer had that security.
He had security? His forces were being wiped out left and right and a Dragon was burning everything down. You call that security? I wouldn't hint at me being thick if that is your logic...
At Castle Dour he is defeated, his forces all destroyed. He lost the war, what else is he supposed to do? Go out in some blaze of glory like an idiot?
Bad example to use Tullius when hes guilty of sacrificing thousands for his own selfish ambitions for the sake of pleasing his elven masters of pissing away much needed resources just so that he can have his satisfaction of cutting off Ulfrics head, and sending it off to Cyrodiil for a shocking display in the Imperial city.
... Tullius and the Legion believe the Thalmor are behind the unrest. So no doubt they will try and end it quickly. When the Thalmor show up trying to take Ulfric, I'd cut off his head too.
I guess were going to have to agree to disagree with each other on this related topic because I do not find anything wrong with a fictional hero seeking personal glory, and wanting songs in his name. I do not see a problem with it either considering the environment, and time.
The time? It is Fourth Era Skyrim, while the Stormcloaks are clinging to Merethic and First Era Skyrim. Can't be a primitive savage forever, clinging to ancient traditions. Got to move on.
You don't think the Dragonborn can benefit off of this as well? Both parties benefits, not just one.
How does the Dragonborn benefit? You're released from both the Stormcloaks and Legion.
You bring up the image and quotes of someone who just admits he deserted... Nice. So he was left behind when the Legions were pushed back and on the run from the Aldmeri advance, well no one ever said war was fair. Though he admits to going to Skyrim instead, if he could "fight" his way back to Skyrim, why couldn't he regroup with his Legion. He's lucky he isn't executed.
You mean like how the Strormcloaks do it for these two?
You're given a compensation in the Empire, and after that you're on your own. Legion life doesn't make you rich.
