How long could an Argonian rule a Hold for?

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Eolexis

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Say Riften was taken by Imperials and they placed an Argonian on the throne to rule over the Nords. How long could that Argonian rule Riften and the Hold for?
 

Kohlar the Unkilled

Time for some ale
Depends on the Argonian, I suppose. If it were my Argonian, he would conceivably occupy the throne until the invention of nuclear weapons.

Seriously though, most of Skyrim's Nords would support any organized revolt or assassination attempts on such a ruler, knowing that Sovngard awaits. Of course, the Empire would never put an Argonian on the throne in the first place.
 
I would think it would depend on how many friends they had - especially in Riften.

Argonians are not well trusted; many of them are seen as thieves. Because, well, most of them are. But, for the sake of argument, let's assume this one was a good leader. I think, if the Argonian was raised in that local hold and knew the people, they'd be fine with it. They probably wouldn't have much respect from the other holds, though.
 
J

Jeremius

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Probably five weeks or so until the other holds revolt, kill the Argonian and put a Nord on the throne.
 

Vegito123

Member
I reckon a Argonian could last a year or more to hold the peace if they keep good relations and don't turn into a tyrant, than people may see they are good people and not as bad as thought like others think of them. A leader would need to be strong, and also someone who is a one who can bring changes for the better and use the power wisely. I would not mind having a leader who knows what to do, and if he can repel the rebels than will last long and do well for the people and a new age will start.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
His entire life. Under the Empire there have been Argonians in the highest levels of government, far beyond that of a Jarl, serving in the Elder Council.

If the Empire could get Skyrim to serve an Dunmer Empress, an insane Breton Jarl, an Altmer and Akaviri Potentate... Argonian Jarl wouldn't be too hard to manage.
 

TheNatural

Active Member
His entire life. Under the Empire there have been Argonians in the highest levels of government, far beyond that of a Jarl, serving in the Elder Council.

If the Empire could get Skyrim to serve an Dunmer Empress, an insane Breton Jarl, an Altmer and Akaviri Potentate... Argonian Jarl wouldn't be too hard to manage.

While that is true, I viewed the question from the perspective of Skyrim as it is before the civil war is resolved. Where most of the native Nord peoples are sympathetic to the "Skyrim for the Nords" idea, and, for the most part, are filled with xenophobia and borderline racism.
 

Kohlar the Unkilled

Time for some ale
Ok, ok. I initially thought we were talking about appointing a high king. After rereading the question I understand we're just talking about Riften. An Argonian could go far as Jarl of Riften, this one thinks.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
I agree that it depends on the Argonian, but, in Riften? Probably forever. I mean, undoubtedly, the Argo belongs to the Guild and is works with Maven and may even be DB which has connections.

Now, if the Imperials placed an Argo in Windhelm, that would be a different subject.

BTW - why are there no Argo's or anyone except humans and a couple of wood elves in Whiterun? If it's the trading hub of Skyrim, you'd think there would be more variety. They don't strike me as particularly racist.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
While that is true, I viewed the question from the perspective of Skyrim as it is before the civil war is resolved. Where most of the native Nord peoples are sympathetic to the "Skyrim for the Nords" idea, and, for the most part, are filled with xenophobia and borderline racism.

Aye, but he's asking if the Imperials had taken Riften. So it would probably be for however long they were able to hold onto the Hold if it was during the war. It probably wouldn't do anything to ease tensions between the traditional Nords of Eastern Skyrim who have always maintained that "Skyrim for the Nords" way of thinking for hundreds of years.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
While that is true, I viewed the question from the perspective of Skyrim as it is before the civil war is resolved. Where most of the native Nord peoples are sympathetic to the "Skyrim for the Nords" idea, and, for the most part, are filled with xenophobia and borderline racism.

Aye, but he's asking if the Imperials had taken Riften. So it would probably be for however long they were able to hold onto the Hold if it was during the war. It probably wouldn't do anything to ease tensions between the traditional Nords of Eastern Skyrim who have always maintained that "Skyrim for the Nords" way of thinking for hundreds of years.
My question is: How would they get rid of Maven? She can't be killed (and I don't mean because she's essential in the game), she's very powerful and she has such influential friends. Plus she's sexy as he**!
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
My question is: How would they get rid of Maven? She can't be killed (and I don't mean because she's essential in the game), she's very powerful and she has such influential friends. Plus she's sexy as he**!

Doesn't stop Imperials hijacking her mead shipments out of Riften.
 

TheNatural

Active Member
While that is true, I viewed the question from the perspective of Skyrim as it is before the civil war is resolved. Where most of the native Nord peoples are sympathetic to the "Skyrim for the Nords" idea, and, for the most part, are filled with xenophobia and borderline racism.

Aye, but he's asking if the Imperials had taken Riften. So it would probably be for however long they were able to hold onto the Hold if it was during the war. It probably wouldn't do anything to ease tensions between the traditional Nords of Eastern Skyrim who have always maintained that "Skyrim for the Nords" way of thinking for hundreds of years.

Ah. In that case, I agree. I'm sure there would be some nords that would remain uncomfortable with it, but if the Imperials were in control there would never be enough momentum to usurp them.
 

TheNatural

Active Member
My question is: How would they get rid of Maven? She can't be killed (and I don't mean because she's essential in the game), she's very powerful and she has such influential friends. Plus she's sexy as he**!

Doesn't stop Imperials hijacking her mead shipments out of Riften.

With the resources the imperials have it wouldn't be very hard for them to choke a city into succumbing to their wishes.

It reminds me of a story I heard from the aftermath of the Bosnian War. American and British troops were moving in on a small city with an airport of strategic significance, it was filled with Russian troops who were unwilling to leave, so they just surrounded the city, not even setting up blockades, just maintaining enough of a presence to make sure nothing was getting in, and in a few short weeks the Russians came out asking for food and water, and viola! The airport was in American and British hands.
 

Kohlar the Unkilled

Time for some ale
You really think the imperials can keep the Thieves Guild from leaving?
Oh, you sweet child...
Depends on the state of the Thieves Guild. Before the Dragonborn shows up to help them out, they're in sorry shape and in the process of being subverted. In that state, an Imperial detachment could simply raid the Flaggon and scatter them to the wind.
 

Niedude

New Member
Before the Dragonborn shows up to help the Imperials they wouldn't even be let into Riften for a Raid at all.
 

TheNatural

Active Member
Before the Dragonborn shows up to help the Imperials they wouldn't even be let into Riften for a Raid at all.

Last I checked, you don't ask to be "Let in" when trying to take over or raid a town. I don't think the Thieves Guild, even at full strength, would risk facing the Empire in open combat just to continue being in Maven's pocket, same with the guards. Why would they want to die just to get some bribes from Maven? Also, it bears repeating, the imperials would EASILY be able to stop the shipments of Black-Briar Mead, thus cutting off the main supply of gold. How loyal do you think the TG and the guards would be to Maven once the Septims stop flowing?
 

Niedude

New Member
Riften is on the stormcloaks side, last I checked? The Empire very much have to ask to be let in lest they want to carry a full out invasion of Riften
 

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