Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
I guess what goes against Daedra worshippers are stuff like rituals, sacrifices and groups like the Order of the Black Worm forming though.
What I wonder is why so many Stormcloaks hate Heimskr. He should be an example of civil courage, preaching his belief without a castle to hide in, yet he's being killed off as a nuisance.

I don't hate Heimskr. Hes my bromance. Hes a true Nord at best... not a cowardly fake Jarl BalGoofy of Whiterun.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
Oh my... So you're sympathetic to the Daedra worshipers all of the sudden? You seriously think that they're being oppressed? Your hatred for the Stormcloaks has blinded you deeply... or you're just trolling us either way.

For an Empire/Imperial legion supporter I would think that you would be very pro Vigil of Stendarr considering the fact that their organization was created shortly after the Oblivion Crisis. The Mythic Dawn cult (Prince of Destruction, Mehrunes Dagon worshipers) nearly destroyed the world, and was responsible for the assassination of your Emperor.

I think what Mage was saying is that Talos Worshipers do not care if people of other faiths get arrested, yet they talk about religious freedom and get upset when it is them being arrested.

I personally do not like the Vigil That much either. I have a paladin-type (currently male, but will go female, and make the male character a nord barbarian wanting to fight evil for the thrill). But I do not care about the Civil War that much as it sounds hypocritical.
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Oh my... So you're sympathetic to the Daedra worshipers all of the sudden? You seriously think that they're being oppressed? Your hatred for the Stormcloaks has blinded you deeply... or you're just trolling us either way.

For an Empire/Imperial legion supporter I would think that you would be very pro Vigil of Stendarr considering the fact that their organization was created shortly after the Oblivion Crisis. The Mythic Dawn cult (Prince of Destruction, Mehrunes Dagon worshipers) nearly destroyed the world, and was responsible for the assassination of your Emperor.

You do realize that traditional Nords, Dunmer, Orcs and Khajiit would fall under "Daedra worship"?

Why would I be pro Vigil of Stendarr, they do the exact same thing the Thalmor are doing. It has nothing to do with hatred of Stormcloaks, but pointing out the irony of ignoring religious oppression until it is your god and your people who get dragged off.

Considering the fact they were created after a Crisis, which they blame all Daedra worshippers isn't a good point. It is a negative in which they use to justify a two hundred year long inquisition.

No doubt the only reason they're able to do what they do is because the Empire (which pushes for the Divines) wouldn't be able to target daedra worshippers officially. Not to mention the common citizenry would generally approve, being often poorly informed about other religions.

Don't be telling me about my hatred for the Stormcloaks, you know damn well I can debate just as effectively for them. Besides, I do recall you hating on the Empire because they weren't arresting beggars...

Anyway Raijin, I found your next Imperial character.

 
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valiantx

New Member
I dislike Stormcloaks and Imperials, both factions annoyed me much because they were programmed to have a bunch of hubris and arrogant NPCs who dislike any people not of their group or race, and being a high-elf character my blade and arrows didn't respond too kindly to such behaviors! I choose neither of these two factions, more over, Dragon-borns are warriors and owe allegiance to their voice only.
 

TheQahnaarin

Son of Skyrim
I usually just read the thread to get a laugh.

Agreed. Besides Mage is doing a pretty good job pulling the Imperial argument wagon.
At least we're finally getting closer to page 1000.

You know what I find a laugh? These Stormcloaks who come in this thread going on and on about freedom of religion, the right to worship who they want etc.

Yet it is only a problem when their God is banned, and worshippers killed. Not once do they even bat an eyelash to Daedra worshippers who are being dragged off, tortured and killed by the Vigil of Stendarr for the last two hundred years.

Their cries for religious freedom are as deep and meaningful as speaking with a generic randomly generated npc who is merely a filler.

The many Nords who have been joining the Vigil for two hundred years are fine persecuting another religion, and the Jarls are fine to let it happen within their Holds, but when it happens to them... "OPPRESSION!!!!!!"

"Kill others for their religious beliefs, we'll even help, but don't touch Talos or we'll get upset."

And the Empire threw a fit when that Reachmen Emporer legalized Daedra worship.

What kind of comparison is this anyway? It's not like the Vigil is overly popular to begin with, and zero connection to the Stormcloaks, and they worship Stendarr... not Talos.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
And the Empire threw a fit when that Reachmen Emporer legalized Daedra worship.

What kind of comparison is this anyway? It's not like the Vigil is overly popular to begin with, and zero connection to the Stormcloaks, and they worship Stendarr... not Talos.

The comparison is between the Thalmor and Vigilants. Thalmor oppress Talos worshipers, and the Vigilants oppress Daedra worshipers. makes sense right?
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
And the Empire threw a fit when that Reachmen Emporer legalized Daedra worship.

The Empire? You mean a rebellion from Chorrol and the Colovian Estates? How odd that the most religious, Divine loving, god-fearing military nobles of Colovia would be outraged at Daedra worship (Especially what the Reachmen practice, blood sacrifices etc.)

Though how you equate the entire Empire to Colovia is surprising. While the rebellion was popular, it was a long time coming given all the other issues with the Longhouse Dynasty (I believe they were called).

What kind of comparison is this anyway? It's not like the Vigil is overly popular to begin with, and zero connection to the Stormcloaks, and they worship Stendarr... not Talos.

... It is pointing out the irony, you Stormcloaks cry about religious oppression. Yet have no problem with what the Vigil of Stendarr do, even find many Nords among their ranks. So for nearly two hundred years there has been some form of religious oppression, yet it only matters when it is your religion.

I know they worship Stendarr.
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
@DrunkenMage: The irony, its delicious. lol. Sorry to go off topic but had to say it about this conversation.

Well I'm not sure why he's going on about the Empire in this matter, since the Empire aren't screaming religious oppression. If they did, then that would also be a big irony.

Imperials have always pushed for the worship of Divines, with the exception of the Alessian Order I believe. They've always turned a blind eye towards the plights of other religions.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
... It is pointing out the irony, you Stormcloaks cry about religious oppression. Yet have no problem with what the Vigil of Stendarr do, even find many Nords among their ranks. So for nearly two hundred years there has been some form of religious oppression, yet it only matters when it is your religion.

I know they worship Stendarr.
This conflict is about more than mere Religious oppression. It's about Nordic Independence, the Betrayal of the Nordic people by the Cowardice of the Empire, and the persecution of Nords for simply practicing tradition.

We fought and died for your Empire for hundreds of years. We bled and spilt blood for you people. We were the bulk of the Imperial Army in the Great War. We were your most loyal province. We did anything for the Empire, and what did you let happen in return? you let Elves walk around Skyrim and persecute Nords for practicing our sacred traditions. You then proceeded to enforce Aldmeri laws for fear of War. That's when your precious Empire died, Craven. When your Empire, the Mighty Empire of Tamriel, who claims that she protects her people and their rights, conceded to the will of tyrannical witches for fear of war. Skyrim doesn't need to be a part of that Empire and she won't. The Fatherland will be an independent state, Free of Aldmeri tyranny and Imperial cowardice. You can count on that.[/QUOTE]
 
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Jeremius

Guest
This conflict is about more than mere Religious oppression. It's about Nordic Independence, the Betrayal of the Nordic people by the Cowardice of the Empire, and the persecution of Nords for simply practicing tradition.

you know what the big issue is though? Thalmor taking Nords away for worshiping Talos. Religion is the source of all conflicts, especially in the real world.

Seems like this thread has gone back to Talos at some point from time to time. Talos does get mentioned in this thread and other threads regarding the Civil War alot.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
This conflict is about more than mere Religious oppression. It's about Nordic Independence, the Betrayal of the Nordic people by the Cowardice of the Empire, and the persecution of Nords for simply practicing tradition.

It is about the Old Holds finding an excuse. They never truly believed in the Empire, nor did they ever really want to be part of it. They chose isolation for the most part, always had that Skyrim for the Nords line of thinking. This war is merely about a politician feeding off of it, hiding behind a cause that lies to itself until they believe a golden age is at hand.

Betrayal of the Nordic people, and yet Nords stand against the Stormcloaks.

We fought and died for your Empire for hundreds of years. We bled and spilt blood for you people.

For themselves. Was it for the Empire when the Nords attacked Northern Morrowind? Was it for the Empire when they invaded Hammerfell and High Rock the moment Imperial authority dropped?

We were the bulk of the Imperial Army in the Great War.

With many in the Imperial Army even now.

We were your most loyal province. We did anything for the Empire,

Half were loyal.

and what did you let happen in return? you let Elves walk around Skyrim and persecute Nords for practicing our sacred traditions.

So the Empire should have been destroyed? Then where would Skyrim be?

You then proceeded to enforce Aldmeri laws for fear of War. That's when your precious Empire died, Craven.

Fear of war? No, it is one thing to fight the good fight, quite another to go blindly to your deaths in a two second blaze of glory. War between the Empire and Aldmeri Dominion is about to kick off, and the Stormcloaks choose now to try break away?

You call the Empire the cowards? You try leave now on the brink of war, distract the Empire from the Aldmeri threat for what? For Talos? For Ulfric? For the silly notion of "True Nords"?

When your Empire, the Mighty Empire of Tamriel, who claims that she protects her people and their rights, conceded to the will of tyrannical witches for fear of war.

The Empire who fought a long and bloody war, the Empire who is rebuilding and preparing for war?

"But Ulfric and his "Stormcloaks" are deluding themselves. If there's any hope of a long term victory against the Dominion, it's in the Empire. The rebels are only inflaming the tension and weakening the Empire by distracting it from its ultimate aim."

Skyrim doesn't need to be a part of that Empire and she won't. The Fatherland will be an independent state, Free of Aldmeri tyranny and Imperial cowardice. You can count on that.

Free of Aldmeri tyranny? You opened the door for them, weakened Skyrim and the Empire for a petty chair. The Dominion are there gathering strength while the Empire has to deal with this rebellion that is hiding behind reasons that would no longer matter soon enough.

Who are the real cowards, the Imperials at the Dominion's border preparing for the war that will either make or break mankind's place in Tamriel.

Or the Nords hiding behind their mountains, hiding behind symbols, hiding behind stories and legends of victory against elves from a bygone age. What I can count on is that Skyrim is the weakest province in Tamriel, ravaged by war and dragons.
 
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Nocte Aeterna

Sir Not-Appearing-in-This-Film
So... was it the White-Gold Concordat or the Blue-Black Concordat that ended the Great War between the Legion and the Thalmor? ;)

(I'm so sorry.)
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
So... was it the White-Gold Concordat or the Blue-Black Concordat that ended the Great War between the Legion and the Thalmor? ;)

(I'm so sorry.)
You son of a-.... Inception!
 

General Charles Xander

General of the 11th Imperial Legion
"Ulfric surrendered immediately outside of Darkwater Crossing."

Lol.
 

TheQahnaarin

Son of Skyrim
Ulfric: "The Empire I remember never surrendered."

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Ulfric: "Good thing nobody says that about us Stormcloaks."

Way different circumstances. Ulfric surrendered to save his men and take an oppurtunity to voice his concerns to the Empire, not knowing everyone would be executed.

At the point Tullius asks him, he's only surrendering to save his own skin.
 

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