Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
You brat. Show the forums and it's people here some respect. We love this place because no one flames or harasses others. If you want to look cool or be "funny" using memes and anti-gay slurs, go back to 4chan where you belong and leave the rest of us to be content with polite, more well mannered members.

That goes for Fasendil too.
Oh jeez, look I wasn't using "anti-gay slurs" I was joking because Fasendil made a casual Harry Potter Reference. I wasn't mad, when I made that post, Hell, I wasn't even slightly flustered. I was, one more time folks, JOKING. And Jesus Christ, if you want people to stop "flaming or harassing" others, which by the way, I wasn't doing, you should probably set yourself to the same standard because you've gone off on quite a few people. That's called being a dirty little hypocrite.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
That goes for you too Ivory. In fact, I think we've all crossed the line on occasion. Sometimes you have to. Hehehe

Either way I have asked them to shut off my account, so I am gone. Rejoice! :)


@Mikulaus Black Blade

Maybe you could view terrorism as a tool or something, it's just I've dealt with those kinds of people before. And it really makes me mad when people do things like putting other people on display for example. Or making an example out of someone to prove a point instead of just speaking their mind. Or someone else makes a mistake and you come behind like you're a saint trying to correct everyone. Or someone is trying to help and so you just ignore them or don't support them.

I *detest* those kinds of people and you... you just have no idea how much. I try to be understanding, I try to give people enough rope and to be fair in judgement. And I know it's just a game, just a game. But... there are people I know in real life who are like Jarl B and Torygg. And I remember what happened to them. For example, I lost a fiance over a similar instance, lost a promised job advancement (All of this was six or seven years ago mind you). Then it's like everywhere you go, like to the doctor or something, no body is honest. People in my family, I've helped doing back breaking work all weekend long and now they don't know me.

Still, I shouldn't get this upset over a game, there again, I'm not upset over the game it's the fact that people just argue for the Stormcloaks like this is ok. Like it's legit. It's not any more legit than Imperials trying to pretend like there's nothing wrong with the WGC. If you're arguing for the Stormcloaks, I would think you would be preaching hope and change. Or going back to Nord traditions. The problem with that however, is perceptive people, such as Mr Mage over there, will be quick to point out that Ulfric doesn't really have any answers, his game is more about what he wants.

As a Nord, as whatever a True Nord is supposed to be, you're supposed to be honorable. Keep your word, not have half your team already at the goal line before the ball is in play. If the Empire is making all these mistakes, then shouldn't it be replaced by something better? What good does it do to drive out the Empire when you have some Fascist Prick - who is even more corrupt and fights without honor - ready to take it's place and mess things up even more?

Speaking of honor, you know, Orcs are honorable. They really are. I think of Orcs as what Nords are trying to be, just their human side is frail and weak, corrupt. I dunno, makes sense to me. ;)

Of course, there's alot of things that should have been done for Empire and Stormcloak both and weren't. I partially blame the dev for that, we deserved more.


Later! XD
That's a good enough way to end it off I suppose. You have your views and I have mine and we're both too stubborn and prideful for them to be changed by mere debate. See ya!
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
Are you taking into account the various magical focal points? The ones that are in locations around the College and under it? I have no doubt that the College and it's foundation (the ice and rock) are magically infused to withstand the elements and attack. A magical ward also surrounds something, so think of it like a bubble.

Shalidor built the College, selected it's location. He was very powerful, but also quite arrogant I believe. He would have intended this monument of study and magic to last throughout the ages. You wouldn't just stick a building on top of it and hope for the best, there are tunnels under the College that go all the way to the bottom. It would need supports to stop it from caving in or the wind wearing it down.
Well plops, no I didn't take those into account, mostly because I'm quote ignorant on the subject of magic. That's not to say I hate it, I'm just not good at it and show little interest. That being said I had no idea those, what do you call them, focal points, ha any functionality whatsoever other than being purely aesthetic. Learn something new everyday
 

Ivory

Let's Player
Oh jeez, look I wasn't using "anti-gay slurs" I was joking because Fasendil made a casual Harry Potter Reference. I wasn't mad, when I made that post, Hell, I wasn't even slightly flustered. I was, one more time folks, JOKING.

If you want to look cool or be "funny" using memes and anti-gay slurs, go back to 4chan where you belong.

Unlike Fen who likes to say he's leaving this thread, then comes back a few minutes later, I'm done with this thread. Up until now while it's gotten heated, never have I seen such a derogatory term used, anywhere on this forum. Once a thread falls into those kind of "jokes" it's worthless. Enjoy your squabbling.


Mage, you've already won this argument for both sides. I'm just glad you're on the Imperial side. Also, take a look at ESO's lore archives. You learn much more from it than any other single Elder Scrolls game due to the vast information between books and all kinds of new information that's known thanks to a game being in the Second Era.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
Oh jeez, look I wasn't using "anti-gay slurs" I was joking because Fasendil made a casual Harry Potter Reference. I wasn't mad, when I made that post, Hell, I wasn't even slightly flustered. I was, one more time folks, JOKING.

If you want to look cool or be "funny" using memes and anti-gay slurs, go back to 4chan where you belong.

Unlike Fen who likes to say he's leaving this thread, then comes back a few minutes later, I'm done with this thread. Up until now while it's gotten heated, never have I seen such a derogatory term used, anywhere on this forum. Once a thread falls into those kind of "jokes" it's worthless. Enjoy your squabbling.


Mage, you've already won this argument for both sides. I'm just glad you're on the Imperial side. Also, take a look at ESO's lore archives. You learn much more from it than any other single Elder Scrolls game due to the vast information between books and all kinds of new information that's known thanks to a game being in the Second Era.


I dunno, I've seen Mage go all Stormcloak on some folks before. Was not fun :sadface: Though I'm sure he himself had fun. Hehehe

There will be squabbling like this until we learn the 'lore' outcome of the Civil War. Count on it, it's all over the internet. Is NOT something just limited to this thread.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
If you want to look cool or be "funny" using memes and anti-gay slurs, go back to 4chan where you belong.

Unlike Fen who likes to say he's leaving this thread, then comes back a few minutes later, I'm done with this thread. Up until now while it's gotten heated, never have I seen such a derogatory term used, anywhere on this forum. Once a thread falls into those kind of "jokes" it's worthless. Enjoy your squabbling.


Mage, you've already won this argument for both sides. I'm just glad you're on the Imperial side. Also, take a look at ESO's lore archives. You learn much more from it than any other single Elder Scrolls game due to the vast information between books and all kinds of new information that's known thanks to a game being in the Second Era.
Calm down, there. "Such a derogatory term"
God, don't be such a Politically Correct stick in the mud. We're all adults here. Just because I like to joke about things that you don't doesn't make me some sort of "thread killer" and it doesn't make me a child unwilling to make good conversation. I simply have a dark sense of humor. That being said this thread is dead and it's been that way for quite some time. We simply can't argue about little questions that will never be answered,
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
I dunno, I've seen Mage go all Stormcloak on some folks before. Was not fun. :sadface: Though I'm sure he had fun. Hehehe
Everyone has their breaking point, especially when it's about something you're passionate about, like this great fantasy series.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
I dunno, I've seen Mage go all Stormcloak on some folks before. Was not fun :sadface: Though I'm sure he himself had fun. Hehehe

There will be squabbling like this until we learn the 'lore' outcome of the Civil War. Count on it, it's all over the internet. Is NOT something just limited to this thread.
Hey Fas, when I said "faggot" and it wasn't directed at you, gay people or anyone in particular, and it was in the context of a joke, did I offend you?
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
I'm guessing the Dragonborn won't be around much longer, the only logical endings for him are being lured into Apocrypha or assassination by the Thalmor. Those are the only things I can come up with, and neither of those will really inspire anyone.

The Dragonborn who saved the world, fought Alduin in the shadow of the Hall of Valor. Helped all of the Holds, and various citizens. Not very inspiring at all... Chances are the Dragonborn will go off on some adventure. Morrowind's hero inspired them, yet they just vanished off to Akavir.

Then screw Skyrim for now, most Imperial arguments are about "the greater good", so forget Skyrim, let that vile dictator Ulfric take over, and focus on the elves. You seem to think the Empire is fine without Skyrim, and there's nothing there worth having, they couldn't even be self-sufficient. Ulfric wins, and you don't have to babysit a province with serious loyalty issues and that has "recently been ravaged by civil war and dragons".

Taxes and protecting citizens who are your subjects. Skyrim is an important symbol, and for too long Cyrodiil & Skyrim have stood together to allow the Thalmor to divide us.

The only option for adventure and travel that's stable and not overly dangerous.

He misses the Legion, speaks about it with his old Legionary friend. There are many options, but even if the Legion was the only one... It doesn't make the attachment any less.

Hmm, this is a very good argument you have here. I'm assuming the sheer population that has to be shrunk down for the game will help here. It's also younger people joining the fight, take Gerdur for example. And people like Hermir who recognize they can do their part while not being on the battlefield. I'm sure the Jarls and Ulfric are aware of this, there's hopefully some plan in place.

The population shrunk for the games doesn't matter. Eastmarch doesn't have enough guards to properly keep the city itself in order. Neither does Riften, and they've lost a watch tower.

Besides all the people currently serving, there is also the dead. That is the problem with militias, they're a very temporary solution. Sooner or later you need to discharge them to get back to their work.

Not everyone is like Gerdur or Hermir. It isn't just the younger people running off, there are a few aged men and women among the Stormcloaks. Most don't simply consider the consequences of leaving to fight. Gilfre who owns the Mill in Eastmarch, this being the Mill that supplies all of Eastmarch barely functions.

"I used to have five good men who worked the mill with me. Then this war started and they all ran off. Idiots with mead in their blood."
"There's plenty of good wood around here, but I just can't harvest it all by myself. Everyone able-bodied is fighting."
"Of course, without functioning mills, who will make the arrows for our soldiers? Men have no sense of irony."


She can't find anyone able-bodied, so it is reasonable to assume there would be farms and various worker guilds suffering from the lack of workers. Take much longer for Skyrim to rebuiuld if all your tradesmen are busy being guards and soldiers now. Both sides are facing this issue, however Imperial side has the rest of the Empire to pick up the slack.

You will either have to disband a great deal of your soldiers to rebuild quicker, those with a trade. Your wood workers, stone masons etc. That comes with an issue of decreased security for your Holds, which already is a concern due to being spread out. Many of the recent Militia would have replaced your original guards who have died. You could be worse off for several years. There bandit issues all over Skyrim, Forsworn problems in the Reach also. I don't think you can afford discharging the Militia, and you'll lose even more to these issues. Tullius can spare men, he isn't building up an army. He could get some reinforcements, or even employ mercenaries to do temporary guard work.

Another issue is your smiths, majority if not all are tied up producing weapons and armor for your Military. You plan on building an army, which means new equipment all over again. You won't be using your mismatched weapons and armor, no doubt. So their work doesn't get easier after the war, or slows down. Very little will have time to smith items you need to rebuild the province, repair buildings, erect new ones, create tools and such. Most only have time for the Military orders.

Oh, right, because the Thalmor would never go any where they aren't supposed to. They're right across the street from who knows what kind of sensitive Imperial documents, and then they can head back to their embassy at the end of the day for a nice hot meal in the company of their fellow Justiciars.

If the Thalmor managed to waltz into Castle Dour, slip by all the sentries and garrison, walk into a restricted area that contains sensitive documents and Imperial intelligence reports, steal them and walk out undetected... Then they fl*ffing deserve to win the next war. Because that is ghost recon plops.

Maybe some poor choice of words, but I'm sure there's something a Justiciar could dig up that may completely turn the tide.

Don't see how a Justiciar would do it. Thalmor espionage ability must be pretty low if they're going from what was used in the novels. Espionage is always a risk, however the Empire has been dealing with that kind of thing for a hundred and fifty years. Chances are likely they've learned and improved their security.

From UESP- "Surrounding the capital, Whiterun, are fertile plains dotted with farms that supply the food for much of Skyrim."

I'm not sure how the person got that conclusion, their source is the Imperial Legion Officer Guide book, which simply mentions Whiterun Hold is dotted with farms. If you speak with the folks at Rorikstead, you can ask one of them this: "Your farms are thriving, even despite the harsh climate. What's your secret?"

It is also mentioned in Diplomatic Immunity, I believe. That only Rorikstead does well, when all the farms in Skyrim struggle by.

Only thing about Whiterun is that it is the trade hub of the entire province. Probably does alright in farming, but Skyrim is a harsh land, and the weather isn't always agreeable. Don't think it is easy having a farm in Skyrim. But, if you do well you get rich, very rich as evident with the Battle-Born Clan. I think majority of crops would be imported from High Rock or Cyrodiil. Probably rely mostly on merchants and shipments, than just the farms. Hopefully them traders return quickly, that income will be needed fast.

You do have plenty of game to hunt, and fishing. Chances are you won't be too bad off in regards to food. Once you stop the bandits from raiding your farms and such. Every little bit helps.

I would have thought the Rift would be better farmland, than the frozen tundra of Whiterun Hold.

I think it was all of Markarth's guards went to join the legions, im going off of how in Skyrim it's all "city guard" and not the Legion guarding the holds.

Depends on Legion duty in High Rock. Sometimes they can act as "city guards" on loan to rulers.

If they didn't have warning it was Balgruuf's fault. It was either Ulfric giving him the axe and Balgruuf taking exception, or Balgruuf challenging Ulfric.

They may have some warning, but this is an attack that could happen at any point. Ulfric's troops were hiding in the hills. They would have been on alert, but civilians would still get harmed. Greatly harmed, burning alive doesn't sound like the best of fates. They were going about their day, until the bells sounded. It is a siege, no amount of warning would really prepare for what is to come.

The examples are just there to prove the CoW tendancy to get into trouble. Can't you just picture some apprentice practicing a spell, nothing happens, and then he looks out his window and Winterhold is falling into the sea? I don't think there's proof of the College fighting the daedra.

Would take a great and powerful wizard to do something like that. Though one could argue it is a risk that some random adventurer could trigger something in an ancient ruin, and half of Skyrim sinks into Black Reach. There are many dangerous artifacts just gathering dust in some ruin, waiting to get picked up. Perhaps you Nords should better safeguard these ruins, do what the Empire does and fund research and send teams in to collect artifacts, and other various items to study.

The College fought against the Mythic Dawn and their actions. The Mythic Dawn would summon the gates, fighting Daedra is to be expected.

That's just who the Nords are, they aren't a very trusting people, and understandably magic has fallen out of favour.

Yes, the Stormcloak Jarl of Winterhold has taken to blaming the Mages for the cold now...
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Well pl***, no I didn't take those into account, mostly because I'm quote ignorant on the subject of magic. That's not to say I hate it, I'm just not good at it and show little interest. That being said I had no idea those, what do you call them, focal points, ha any functionality whatsoever other than being purely aesthetic. Learn something new everyday

Apparently they're very important, and can get "polluted" which require mystic tuning gloves to get them back on balance. Guess it is only something sensitive wizards would notice.

Being a Mage is quite enjoyable. Once you get past being the weakest son of a bitch for awhile... Nothing will stop you. Don't feel like fighting? Well make them bandits flee in terror from you.

Though I personally enjoy using the calm magic on various creatures, such as undead, giants etc. Get up close and personal, have a good study of foes you normally would simply hack and slash, then walk off.

Giants for instance, they have a facial structure similar to Nords. Which could indicate previous relations. But, they also have pointed ears and ridges which you can find on Orcs. Mer relation of course.

Their fondness for swirls, seen scarred into their flesh, painted on rocks and carved on their Mammoths. Another indication towards fellowship with Nords, whom also have swirls within ancient ruins, ancient armors and on some modern armors. Those are also on spriggans (sp?) so maybe a connection to the Goddess Kyne.

They have the ability to make tools, clothing and fire. They have a language of their own, and are intelligent enough to even trade with. (You traded a goat to one in a 'Night to remember' I think it is called).

Must protect them from Skald.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
Apparently they're very important, and can get "polluted" which require mystic tuning gloves to get them back on balance. Guess it is only something sensitive wizards would notice.

Being a Mage is quite enjoyable. Once you get past being the weakest son of a bitch for awhile... Nothing will stop you. Don't feel like fighting? Well make them bandits flee in terror from you.

Though I personally enjoy using the calm magic on various creatures, such as undead, giants etc. Get up close and personal, have a good study of foes you normally would simply hack and slash, then walk off.

Giants for instance, they have a facial structure similar to Nords. Which could indicate previous relations. But, they also have pointed ears and ridges which you can find on Orcs. Mer relation of course.

Their fondness for swirls, seen scarred into their flesh, painted on rocks and carved on their Mammoths. Another indication towards fellowship with Nords, whom also have swirls within ancient ruins, ancient armors and on some modern armors. Those are also on spriggans (sp?) so maybe a connection to the Goddess Kyne.

They have the ability to make tools, clothing and fire. They have a language of their own, and are intelligent enough to even trade with. (You traded a goat to one in a 'Night to remember' I think it is called).

Must protect them from Skald.
Hmmm if there was one magic I've ever been interested in using it would probably be alteration or illusion. Alteration so I could temper my armor past human limits, and illusion so I could sneak better, obviously not doing very well in that department in Heavy Armor

And there was a Nordic man I believe who was half giant, i believe it was Morihaus, but I could be wrong there. It would make sense as the sigil of Morthal are swirls, which you made a connection to giants. I'm sure Kyne had something to do with that.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
I dunno, I've seen Mage go all Stormcloak on some folks before. Was not fun :sadface: Though I'm sure he himself had fun. Hehehe

There will be squabbling like this until we learn the 'lore' outcome of the Civil War. Count on it, it's all over the internet. Is NOT something just limited to this thread.
Hey Fas, when I said "faggot" and it wasn't directed at you, gay people or anyone in particular, and it was in the context of a joke, did I offend you?


As I'm sure you well know. Imperials catch alot of pl*ps these days.

During my time here and that other forum, not just me, but all of us defending Empire and Whiterun caught hell. Some of the names and things they called us I dare not repeat on a public forum.

You know, it doesn't matter what anyone says. Sometimes you have to walk the line. Something I'd like to think I've done well.

Now, you were mentioning a truce, sure. Eventually everyone will need to stop fighting to deal with the Thalmor. I mean it when I say this, I would have loved nothing better than for Ulfric and Stormcloaks to have their own land and just stay there. If someone else wants to join there or go there to worship Talos, go ahead.

However, Ulfric forced everyone to choose and well, you saw how well that went. :) I guess I can understand someone resorting to underhanded actions in the name of Freedom, but that's not enough. Freedom to rob everyone else of there Freedom is no Freedom at all. At least with the Empire, you have a choice and have hope that the Elder Council and friends can fix everything, which takes Faith.

Anyways, got to run. You guys can continue your discussion by what ever means you see fit.
 

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
It is also mentioned in Diplomatic Immunity, I believe. That only Rorikstead does well, when all the farms in Skyrim struggle by.

Yep.

Have you visited Rorikstead lately? No matter how harsh the winter, the crops that grow there never falter. Even when every other farm in the hold is barely scraping by, the harvest at Rorikstead is always bountiful. Is it good fortune? The blessings of the Divines? Who knows?
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
It is also mentioned in Diplomatic Immunity, I believe. That only Rorikstead does well, when all the farms in Skyrim struggle by.

Yep.

Have you visited Rorikstead lately? No matter how harsh the winter, the crops that grow there never falter. Even when every other farm in the hold is barely scraping by, the harvest at Rorikstead is always bountiful. Is it good fortune? The blessings of the Divines? Who knows?

I have been looking for that for ages. Where would I be without you in this thread?
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
I have been looking for that for ages. Where would I be without you in this thread?
Y'know, the ground up in Kynesgrove is probably extremely fertile due to the blessing. Not that it's of any use, No self respecting Nord would let anyone go near that forest and do anything but pray. Just a thought.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
I wish we could sell the shrines around Skyrim. They're all made of gold right?

Like that Kurtsgrove place. You guys are covered in ice - clear that @#$% out and plant some green, man.

Between selling off the shrines and all that cut wood you guys could make a fortune.

Just saying. Heh - How bad do you guys want your Freedom? Can't steal it all from Cyrodil, you're going to have to put out from somewhere.

No sacrifice, No victory.
 

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
I have been looking for that for ages. Where would I be without you in this thread?

Probably you'd be back at the argument "You have no source ahahaha" over and over again.

Although you did forget to mention that Rorikstead isn't exactly a guarantee for a meal either. Ask Rorik if the war's taken its toll and he'll say "Not yet, anyway, though it certainly could. With most of the hold's fighting men committed to the war, there are fewer swords to keep the roads safe from brigands and wild beasts. And of course, as the war drags on and supplies run low, our ample fields and stores of food will make a tempting target for desperate men. The best we can hope for a swift end to the conflict. The longer the war goes on, the worse it will be for all for us, I'm afraid."

Geographically, it's also too close to Forsworn territory for my liking. They could be raided by Forsworn from the west and normal bandits from... well, all other directions.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
I wish we could sell the shrines around Skyrim. They're all made of gold right?

Like that Kurtsgrove place. You guys are covered in ice - clear that place out and plant some green, man.

Between selling off the shrines and all that cut wood you guys could make a fortune.

Just saying. Heh - How bad do you guys want your Freedom?

No sacrifice, No victory.
Kynesgrove* is sacred land. No Nord who has sense would sell it for all the Gold in the Emperor's coffers. You can ask Ganna and Gemma Uriel, they'll give you an earful about it heh heh. Perfect story about Imperial expansionists interfering in things they know nothing about.
 

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