Ok I'm done explaining the stupid Thalmor rescue from helgen.
I didn't say the Thalmor were perfect, you completely changed what I was saying. Titus and the blades did not take the Thalmor seriously enough. That's a fact.
In what way did Titus not take the Thalmor seriously? He had three years before the ultimatum was handed down. The Blades do not answer to Titus, nor are they an arm of the Imperial Government. The Penitus Oculatus considered the Thalmor a threat, and indeed waged war of espionage behind the scenes with them over a hundred and fifty years ago.
The Blades which did work with the Empire on the issue, underestimated the Thalmor indeed. They did not see the Thalmor doing the Great War, but Titus Mede being an Emperor relies on advice before coming to a decision.
The last rites were the ultimate shot below the belt. Talos is one of the main reasons of the war, and the imperials spit on the religion of a bunch of men moments away from execution. "Blessings of Arkay" or "blessings of the divines" would have been a lot better.
Imperials are following the treaty, in fact there were many who considered Talos not to be a Divine for a long time. The Eight Divines have been in place since the First Era, in the game Daggerfall, Talos isn't even worshipped. Even if you worship the Nine, Arkay's Rites are very important. Interrupting them for Talos, simply gives points to the current argument that many are putting Talos too far ahead of the Eight.
I know why Ulfric was gagged, but I guess it was a happy accident he also couldn't say anything to the things Tullius said. Can you show me an example of Tiber cutting someone's tongue out? I don't doubt you, but I've never heard of that before.
Wouldn't make a difference if he could say anything, an Elder Council member was charged with High Treason. He ended up with the same fate Ulfric was about to, summary execution.
Not Tiber himself directly, but one of his most trusted Generals. Cut the tongue out of some farmer, so he could no speak about what he knows. Tiber wasn't the peace loving fellow the Stormcloaks make him seem like. He sold his enemies into slavery, if he couldn't use you he would kill you and he did knock out a woman and killed her unborn child against her will. (His unborn bastard.)
Even his Cult is questionable, they try murder every Emperor because they're not worthy as Tiber. According to the heresy, great Tiber killed his King and his political supporters to gain the throne. Also slit his own throat to blame the Breton's sending an assassin.
I'm unfamiliar with exactly how law works in TES, the Redguards on Stros M'kai killed the imperial governer, but they still signed a favourable treaty. Still, a trial would have been best.
Yes, the double rebellion? Tiber was called "His Awesome and Terrible Majesty" good to his friends, very cruel to his enemies.
Summary execution is your trial when it comes to High Treason. Courts of law don't have large presence in the provinces. The Nords don't settle their disputes by talking, but with a blade. You and indeed some other Stormcloak supporters in the thread believe the Imperials should have given Ulfric a trial.
Would you accept Ulfric being found guilty in an Imperial court? Would the Stormcloaks who follow him, put down their arms because Ulfric was given an Imperial trial? Judged by Imperial officials?
He is charged with killing the High King, this is what the law states as per daggerfall.
Any act against (whether directly or indirectly, or any nonaction which results in circumstances, directly or indirectly, against) a allegiated sovereign or by a vassal to a liege, resulting (or what a reasonable person would assume would result) in physical, emotional, mental, or magical harm or injury in said sovereign or liege. The punishment for this crime will be death.
