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True

Member
So i just created my third character my first was neither stormcloak or imperial and my second was stormcloak now i just created this character is being an imperial any better or worse im a companion already and i was wondering peopls thoughts on becoming an Imperial or not
 

Harkin

Necromatic Mastermind
Skyrim is for the Nords!
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
On the plus side, you get better rewards on the Imperial side, more attractive gear and living like a civilized human being.

If, on the other hand you are a violent, xenophobic sociopath that appreciates living like an animal, wearing dead animal hides, solving all your problems with brawn over brain and having the ugliest and cheapest collection of armors and weaponry in all of Tamriel, go Stormcloak. :) Apparently there are a lot of folks that like that.

Personally I always go Imperial. I'm a law and order kind of guy that likes the better things in life (like bathing occasionally and pride in your personal grooming) and living in a well ordered, well maintained, denialist environment.

Sure the Thalmor are a pain, but there aren't very many of them in Skyrim anyhow. Sure they'll keep sending them, but I'll just keep assassinating them one at a time, over and over and over again. Helps to keep me in practice.
 

Cassie

Member
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
Are you sure? Are you really, really, really, really sure? Have you read all the dossiers? Did you read everything that was in Elenwyn's Solar and torture area? It is really very enlightening.

Let's check with @DrunkenMage on this one. I am more than sure he can clear up this debate immediately, or at least escalate this in to a deep lore discussion. :)
 

Cassie

Member
Lol a lore discussion is a bit exciting. But yeah I'm sure on that. A lot of reading that can be done in skyrim suggests that much. And it make since because then not only is the empire weakened but they also lose land(and we already know they've lost plenty like Hammerfell) and soldiers.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
Of course, it's not like the Empire is besties with the Thalmor. Everybody seems to be afraid of them, with the notable exception of the College of Winterhold Mages. I always enjoy the way Mirabelle talks to Ancano right when you're arriving.

Personally I don't have that big an issue with the Thalmor. Keep 'em coming. They are a great source of income from selling their armor and stuff, especially early game.

Their arrogance is almost adorable in it's delusion though. Although I do notice that there is a slightly different reaction to my High-Elf characters than I get with any other race. Plus it's fun as a High-Elf to be able to infiltrate the embassy with relative inpugnity when the time comes.

You make a good point though, although I really don't think that Skyrim is much more than a natural resource source for the Empire. Not only do they have very few actual soldiers in Skyrim, but, in the long run, I really don't think they care that much. If Skyrim were to be lost to the Empire, it certainly would be a blow to some degree, but it would almost certainly leave both parties far more vulnerable to the Dominion.

Who knows though. Perhaps they'll explore it in a future ES game (if they ever make one).

Forgive my Stormcloak bating though. I just so enjoy the blind support of one side or the other by so many players.

Me - I almost always go Empire, simply because I'm not much of a "Freedom Fighter" kind of person (in game or out). I'm far to selfish to really care one way or another, as long as I get paid.
 

Gigapact

Lollygagging Milk Drinker (according to guards)
I don't have enough time to elaborate on why, but I always go Imperial. Go Imperial. For sure.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
I don't have enough time to elaborate on why, but I always go Imperial. Go Imperial. For sure.
Another plus is that Solitude doesn't get trashed. That's always a plus to me. Whiterun trashed? Meh... No big deal.
 

Cassie

Member
Well it's not just the loss of land and soldiers that's the problem. It's the thalmors intentions of being in Skyrim. If you remember the history of the past 200 years since the events of Oblivion you will know the terms of the White-Gold Concordat wasn’t just about stamping out Talos worship it also gave a big half of Southern Hammerfell to the Thalmor. We know the Thalmor were eventually driven out of Hammerfell, but thanks to the Concordat Hammerfell’s relations with Cyrodiil are pretty plopsty which the thalmor are happy about. Similarly, if the Stormcloaks win the war, it will become an independent state less willing to cooperate with the Imperials, even if they plan on fighting the Thalmor. This division is exactly what the Thalmor are trying to accomplish. divide and conquer. Since the Thalmor are bent on controlling all Tamriel, it means they are pretty much everyone else’s enemy. Having everyone with their own opinion as to how to fight the Aldmeri Dominion will be much less effective than everyone working together to defeat them. And do remember that they don't want to just control all of Tamriel. Put very, very simply, they want to undo the creation of all of Mundus so that they can return to their original state as et'Ada.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
Well it's not just the loss of land and soldiers that's the problem. It's the thalmors intentions of being in Skyrim. If you remember the history of the past 200 years since the events of Oblivion you will know the terms of the White-Gold Concordat wasn’t just about stamping out Talos worship it also gave a big half of Southern Hammerfell to the Thalmor. We know the Thalmor were eventually driven out of Hammerfell, but thanks to the Concordat Hammerfell’s relations with Cyrodiil are pretty pl***ty which the thalmor are happy about. Similarly, if the Stormcloaks win the war, it will become an independent state less willing to cooperate with the Imperials, even if they plan on fighting the Thalmor. This division is exactly what the Thalmor are trying to accomplish. divide and conquer. Since the Thalmor are bent on controlling all Tamriel, it means they are pretty much everyone else’s enemy. Having everyone with their own opinion as to how to fight the Aldmeri Dominion will be much less effective than everyone working together to defeat them. And do remember that they don't want to just control all of Tamriel. Put very, very simply, they want to undo the creation of all of Mundus so that they can return to their original state as et'Ada.
Can't really blame 'em. It's not like the "human's" have actually done anything positive in their millenniums of being there.
 

Rhew

The missing snow elf
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
Actually if you read the dossiers it shows that the Thalmor does not want the Stormcloaks to win. It says that they do not want the Imperials to win but a Stormcloak win is also not wanted. So the Thalmor really wants the civil war to spread out as long as possible to weaken both sides so that it's easier to take over. This is my take on what I've read and seen in the game.
 

Cassie

Member
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
Actually if you read the dossiers it shows that the Thalmor does not want the Stormcloaks to win. It says that they do not want the Imperials to win but a Stormcloak win is also not wanted. So the Thalmor really wants the civil war to spread out as long as possible to weaken both sides so that it's easier to take over. This is my take on what I've read and seen in the game.

That is true. When you read the documents in Diplomatic Immunity in the Thalmor Embassy they never state that they want either to win, but it does show they favor Ulfric and his rebellion.
 

Rhew

The missing snow elf
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
Actually if you read the dossiers it shows that the Thalmor does not want the Stormcloaks to win. It says that they do not want the Imperials to win but a Stormcloak win is also not wanted. So the Thalmor really wants the civil war to spread out as long as possible to weaken both sides so that it's easier to take over. This is my take on what I've read and seen in the game.

That is true. When you read the documents in Diplomatic Immunity in the Thalmor Embassy they never state that they want either to win, but it does show they favor Ulfric and his rebellion.

I think they only favor the rebellion because it is weakening both the Empire and Skyrim. I feel like once the war ends the Thalmor will swoop in and do the finishing blow if the war was stretched out and left both sides weakened. This is just my humble opinion though :)
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
Actually if you read the dossiers it shows that the Thalmor does not want the Stormcloaks to win. It says that they do not want the Imperials to win but a Stormcloak win is also not wanted. So the Thalmor really wants the civil war to spread out as long as possible to weaken both sides so that it's easier to take over. This is my take on what I've read and seen in the game.
Excuse me while I go rest on my laurels for a moment. I do so love a little validation! :)
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
If you hate the thalmor then I would choose the imperials. Thalmor want the storm cloaks to win so the empire will be weakened.
Actually if you read the dossiers it shows that the Thalmor does not want the Stormcloaks to win. It says that they do not want the Imperials to win but a Stormcloak win is also not wanted. So the Thalmor really wants the civil war to spread out as long as possible to weaken both sides so that it's easier to take over. This is my take on what I've read and seen in the game.

That is true. When you read the documents in Diplomatic Immunity in the Thalmor Embassy they never state that they want either to win, but it does show they favor Ulfric and his rebellion.
I really didn't get that from reading them at all. I agree with Rhew.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Thalmor don't want either side to win, but their objective is the destruction of the Empire. So I suppose you could see the Stormcloak victory being a benefit in their current plans of weakening and finally destroying the Empire. They hate the Empire and are against everything it represents.

Stormcloak victory benefit for the Thalmor would generally end there.

The Stormcloaks are against the Thalmor and plan to raise an army to invade them. So they aren't a huge benefit or preferred victor. The Thalmor would much rather the Civil War to keep going to keep the Empire distracted and Skyrim weakened.
 

Mighty Pecan Pie

The secret American
I'd go with Imperial this time, simply because you had one that wasn't either one and one Stormcloak. Quest wise, there ain't much difference, except now the Stormcloaks will be the enemy.

Btw, if you wanna discuss on which side is better, check the Imperial vs Stormcloak thread ;)
 

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