Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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Ancano

High Justiciar
Yes it is. I like this. The WGC is Toxic for you people. lol

I also agree with your pre WGC solution. Just let everyone take care of themselves for a while and let Cyrodil uphold the WGC because let's face it, they don't care.

However, I think that bit about High King Torygg is wrong and the Emperor being selfish. There's obviously so much more going on there, you can't just explain away with personal bias.

Or I guess you could but not if you want to understand *their true motivations*. You're going to have to set your feelings aside Raijin and understand where they're coming from. Just because they're Imperials doesn't mean they don't have feelings.

Of course, they're all dead anyways, Stormers and Imps so it doesn't really matter. ;)

To be honest with you I don't give a pl*** what goes on in Cryodill. Yeah you heard me. I don't care. The Dunmers and Nords from Solstheim are doing pretty damn good without the Empires assistance, and so could Skyrim, Hammerfell and High Rock if they put enough ambition into the effort of being independent.

Incorrect. By the time the Dragonborn arrives on the Island, every single person on there has become a slave to Miraak's power. They either weren't aware of it, or were so entranced they didn't snap out of it. Even Neloth's memory was affected by Miraak, and he's a Telvanni Wizard. That says much about him. The ebony mine is dried up, untouchable due to the Dragon Priest in there leaving Raven Rock poor. The Nords of Solsthiem are not the same Nords of Skyrim. Different beliefs entirely similar to that of valenwood, to be one with nature. If it wasn't for the Dragonborn, Solsthiem would be Miraak's Kingdom by now.

And that's not even discussing the Ash spawn, undead and werebears roaming all over the small island.


Yeah I was about to say. The Dominion agrees with this.

Also, every single Imperial Province is having problems of it's own. Although I never considered this possibility... it seems the Empire is truly needed and is doing it's job even without Talos worship.

I still hate it and they stand no chance against the Thalmor.

But where would the kingdoms of man be without the Empire? Unless of course we consider a better solution, the Dominion. Although that will take time to implement.

Although the Dominion broke away from the Empire and reclaimed our freedom(s) too, however, we also had vision and experience with Gov that region of Tamriel.

Ulfric seems mad at the world and Skyrim is divided whereas Alinor was heavily in favor of the Thalmor with no Civil War. Could get messy.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Yes it is. I like this. The WGC is Toxic for you people. lol

I also agree with your pre WGC solution. Just let everyone take care of themselves for a while and let Cyrodil uphold the WGC because let's face it, they don't care.

However, I think that bit about High King Torygg is wrong and the Emperor being selfish. There's obviously so much more going on there, you can't just explain away with personal bias.

Or I guess you could but not if you want to understand *their true motivations*. You're going to have to set your feelings aside Raijin and understand where they're coming from. Just because they're Imperials doesn't mean they don't have feelings.

Of course, they're all dead anyways, Stormers and Imps so it doesn't really matter. ;)

To be honest with you I don't give a pl*** what goes on in Cryodill. Yeah you heard me. I don't care. The Dunmers and Nords from Solstheim are doing pretty damn good without the Empires assistance, and so could Skyrim, Hammerfell and High Rock if they put enough ambition into the effort of being independent.

Titus Mede II has nearly destroyed the Empire that even a member of the elders counsel hired a group of assassins in Skyrim to take the old bastard out.

The only way for the Empire to fully recover is if the Nords take charge.

Isn't it the same thing as with Ulfric? Ulfric wants to be the next High King but wants to wait until it is guaranteed that he will win, as he does not want people questioning him to be in charge of anything. It is why he killed Torygg, because as long as he was alive, he would never be the High King.

Ulfric Killed Torygg because he was an obnoxious King who kept on preaching about the Empire this and Empire that. He had no intentions of breaking from from his Imperial shackles for as long as the Emperor kept on sending him crates full of gold, and other goodies. He didn't give a pl*** about his people other than to entertain his queen. He's nothing more but a Paris Hilton wannabe.

Ulfric wanting to have the mantle of being High King does not make him selfish.

Oh and since the Empire has zero respect for culture other than their own... yes Ulfric would never obtain the status of King because the Nordic traditions means nothing to the Empire.


I'm not taking sides or anything however I highly doubt Ulfric cares anything for the other Provinces. Skyrim, yes, certainly. But Highrock and Cyrodil, the rest, no. Not unless he can use them. Which is playing it smart but is not what... grrrrr.... is not what Talos created. For man, the Empire was something special, something where men could walk freely, trade globally and be neighbors across all political, racial and economic lines.

For Elves the Empire is a nightmare on hell street. But more on that late. Stay tuned hehehe.
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
Incorrect. By the time the Dragonborn arrives on the Island, every single person on there has become a slave to Miraak's power. They either weren't aware of it, or were so entranced they didn't snap out of it. Even Neloth's memory was affected by Miraak, and he's a Telvanni Wizard. That says much about him. The ebony mine is dried up, untouchable due to the Dragon Priest in there leaving Raven Rock poor. The Nords of Solsthiem are not the same Nords of Skyrim. Different beliefs entirely similar to that of valenwood, to be one with nature. If it wasn't for the Dragonborn, Solsthiem would be Miraak's Kingdom by now.

And that's not even discussing the Ash spawn, undead and werebears roaming all over the small island.

I'm speaking with regards to the political affairs.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Redguards - They get a pass because Yokuda sank and they had no where else to go. That's survival, I can understand that.

Leave out their hatred of "Lefthanded Elves" whom they battled for thousands of years to near extinction and that hatred of elves lead to the Redguards extermination of Mer colonies in Hammerfell.

You say the Nords and Imperials were being racist and oppressive in their wars against elves, but then say the Redguards get a pass? It is the elves who can't live alongside these other races as equals.

Early tribes of man - That's not the whole story. Those early humans were uncivilized and neither magically or technologically sophisticated compared to the Ayleids.

Yet they made the mistake of being friendly and peaceful when the Aldmer arrived.

The Ayleids had a slave driven economy which actually improved circumstances for man in the long run.

No. The slavery started small and the Nedeic people weren't uncivilized, they had a unique culture of their own. It did not improve circumstances for man, they were tortured for sport. Used more as cattle than anything.

Your very Empire was built upon the foundation the Ayleids set. That is the only reason why you were successful.

No it wasn't. The Cyro-Nords created their own system, the Ayleids weren't involved greatly besides those siding with the slaves. The greatest foundation, and the reason the Empire became so successful is due to the Akaviri reforms. It transformed the Imperial Legions into the professional, and highly organized fighting force it is now.

And given the abuse at the hands of Tiber Septim and friends, you guys have no room to talk... either.

Really? Don't cry victim when you attacked Tiber first. Did you expect the Imperial Empire to take kindly to the Aldmeri Dominion attacking them?

Eye of Magnus - How do you know the Nords weren't trying to keep the Eye for themselves or to just keep in buried? Whose land was the Eye on again?

Because they sealed it away, not wanting to mess with it's power. You see the Nords aren't stupid enough to mess with something they do not understand. The Eye was on the Nords land, that was their city. Also as the Snow Elf in Dawnguard mentions, the Nords claimed Skyrim as their ancestral home. Comes from the belief that Kyne breathed them onto the Throat of the World. Also ties into Aldmer myth of "Altmora" being an Elven Kingdom which the Nords invaded from Skyrim.

Furthermore, that's conjecture, maybe that's why the Snow Elves wanted man gone, maybe not. The truth is usually found somewhere in the middle and there could have been numerous reasons for the Elves wanting the Nords gone. Perhaps the Nords didn't want to leave. History is invariably written by the victors.

Actually it is a logical, given that apparently the Falmer didn't simply invade the city. They knew exactly where to go once inside. It is the most credible theory since the Eye of Magnus is real and was found in the first Nordic city.

Back to you broham. Don't pick a fight by marching an Elven artifact thru the Dominion and enslaving / looting everything in your path and expect everything will turn out alright. That's part of the reason why the Thalmor are so crazy now. Payback is a bitch. ;)

Teaches you for attacking first. Enslaving everything in their path? Where and when were the elves enslaved after their surrender. Tiber Septim may have been a conqueror, but he wasn't cruel as Emperor.

Can you show me where the Thalmor mention that this is their reason? That they're doing all of this because Tiber kicked their ass an Era ago? It isn't revenge, they just believe themselves the rightful rulers of Tamriel.

You get half credit for this ;) The Alessian order put a stop to all of this

Full credit actually, since the Alessian Order was at its height when Ayleids were still acting as mentors and tutors for Colovian nobility.

and because of that, everyone who was left had to get out by any means possible.

No. The Order didn't even need to use violence towards the Ayleids enforcing their doctrine, and it was only the Lords who had their lordships abolished.

And furthermore by knowledgeable friend, let's not forget all the Ayleids who HELPED the Alessians earn their freedom. How were they repaid?

Yet they only "HELPED" the Cyro-Nords when the slave rebellion happened at the time of an Ayleid Civil War. Funny how they weren't helping until it benefited them in defeating the Daedric worshipping Ayleids.

How were they repaid? Hundreds of years keeping their lordships. The Alessian Order were a fanatical religious order that took control over the Empire, you can't say their actions represent the Imperial race. Their rule is considered dark times. This was also thousands of years ago.

The Ayleids had it coming, they were a cruel race when in power.


Let's table the discussion for now seeing how we're at an impass. But this is not over. I'll be back Mfers.

Pity we don't have more like you on our side. Hey Mage... forget the Empire or the Cloaks, join the Thalmor! ;) Together we can totally rule the Galaxy and stuff.

DunkenMage as a Thalmor on paper view, Sat Oct 29th, tickets now on sale at the Box Office.
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
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I'm going to be sending Titus Mede II soul to Sithis soon enough.
 

Ivory

Let's Player
Incorrect. By the time the Dragonborn arrives on the Island, every single person on there has become a slave to Miraak's power. They either weren't aware of it, or were so entranced they didn't snap out of it. Even Neloth's memory was affected by Miraak, and he's a Telvanni Wizard. That says much about him. The ebony mine is dried up, untouchable due to the Dragon Priest in there leaving Raven Rock poor. The Nords of Solsthiem are not the same Nords of Skyrim. Different beliefs entirely similar to that of valenwood, to be one with nature. If it wasn't for the Dragonborn, Solsthiem would be Miraak's Kingdom by now.

And that's not even discussing the Ash spawn, undead and werebears roaming all over the small island.

I'm speaking with regards to the political affairs.

Politically they are fluffed too. Again if not for the Dragonborn, the Morag Tong would have murdered the political leader in Raven rock and the other Dunmer house would have thrown all into disarray. Plus they're recovering from the loss of the false tribunal, enduring major losses of southern morrowind to the Argonians and are living in an ash filled wasteland. So no, they don't have it good.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Politically they are fluffed too. Again if not for the Dragonborn, the Morag Tong would have murdered the political leader in Raven rock and the other Dunmer house would have thrown all into disarray. Plus they're recovering from the loss of the false tribunal, enduring major losses of southern morrowind to the Argonians and are living in an ash filled wasteland. So no, they don't have it good.

Also not being part of the Empire means they've lost free trade. East Empire Company now bleeds them for things that would have been free or next to nothing in cost.
 

Lewsean

Member
The same could be set for Stormcloaks or Nords in general, who unlike the Thalmor have actually committed genocide and are actively segregating the population.

No Stormcloak or Nord should ever try to take any sort of moral high ground, only High Elves belong on the high ground. Imperials can take a little high ground, at least they're somewhat civilized.

Thalmor will go home after the Nord beasts have been put back in their place.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to put some more water in Ulfric's mamma's bowl.
I'm sorry but it's obvious you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.


And in both your posts, thus far, you have countered absolutely nothing I've said. Mage at least is putting up a fight hahaha.

Most people don't understand the Thalmor anyways, which does not indicate a lack of intelligence on my part.
There's nothing to counter.. In your first sentance you prove you have no clue about your own lore.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
I'm speaking with regards to the political affairs.

House Redoran actually has limited coin in their coffers, they rule through military might, but they struggle with seventy-four outlying settlements. So they have to ration supplies, and other resources by ranking each settlement on their economic/strategic importance.

Solstheim is very low on the Council's list, until the Dragonborn fixes things up for them. The Dunmer government on Solstheim is very desperate, they have lost twenty six highly trained Redoran Guard in the last two years and have only seen ten replacements in the last five years. They can barely afford supplies with the EETC controlling prices and their limited coffers. The water around them is being poisoned by the ash.

Politically they're in a plops situation. Compared to when they were under the Empire, they are very far from having it good.
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
House Redoran actually has limited coin in their coffers, they rule through military might, but they struggle with seventy-four outlying settlements. So they have to ration supplies, and other resources by ranking each settlement on their economic/strategic importance.

Solstheim is very low on the Council's list, until the Dragonborn fixes things up for them. The Dunmer government on Solstheim is very desperate, they have lost twenty six highly trained Redoran Guard in the last two years and have only seen ten replacements in the last five years. They can barely afford supplies with the EETC controlling prices and their limited coffers. The water around them is being poisoned by the ash.

Politically they're in a pl*** situation. Compared to when they were under the Empire, they are very far from having it good.

That is what the settings of the game is built on. Everything is in shambles until the Dragonborn comes and saves the day. That is what gives us so much quests to go on. Hell even the Rieklings has their set of problems with the local nords, and the leader plead out to the Dragonborn to help slay the Nords so that they can permanently claim the Thirsk Mead Hall as their own.

We can all agree to one thing... Bethesda made the Dragonborn character to be nothing more than an overpowering Mary Sue/Marty-stu, and that nothing can be solved nor fix without him/her around to be the problem solving errand boy.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
That is what the settings of the game is built on. Everything is in shambles until the Dragonborn comes and saves the day. That is what gives us so much quests to go on. Hell even the Rieklings has their set of problems with the local nords, and the leader plead out to the Dragonborn to help slay the Nords so that they can permanently claim the Thirsk Mead Hall as their own.

We can all agree to one thing... Bethesda made the Dragonborn character to be nothing more than an overpowering Mary Sue/Marty-stu, and that nothing can be solved nor fix without him/her around to be the problem solving errand boy.

In a nut shell we are basically an errand boy. Which is why saying the Dragonborn will go on to conquer the Aldmeri Dominion/become Emperor is a fools hope (Those that claim such). We just do whatever we're told and are ignorant of the world around us until people explain things someone living there should already know.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
How soon is soon? 5 to 10 years from now?

I 'd be surprised if it was another decade. With the death of Mede and the Legions gathered, maybe months or a couple of years.

The White-Gold Concordat is very hazardous for the human race, and as a result of it being taken to an effect caused a lot of grief to the people. From kidnappings, massacres, imprisonments that includes violent interrogations, and for what? Worshiping a god that the elves don't like or agree with?

Isn't it obvious? To create the uprising in Skyrim. The White-Gold Concordat wasn't that huge a deal for many years, the Nords paid little attention to it. The Thalmor are just rounding up people to keep the war going, with the Legion's hands tied dealing with the rebellion who is to stop the Thalmor walking around doing whatever they want?

Everything the Thalmor generally say is anti-Imperial and surprise the only positive thing they do say is about the Stormcloaks.

By signing the White-gold Concordat gave the Aldmeri Dominion more power over the people by exploiting the weaken Empire, and this is what pissed off a lot of people.

Made the people see the Thalmor's actions more openly. Prior to the White-Gold Concordat they were weakening the Empire through espionage. By signing the White-Gold Concordat the Empire was able to rebuild, Ulfric would have been able to worship Talos in Markarth if the Thalmor weren't using him as an asset, watching him closely.

The smart thing that the Empire could of done as an alternative after signing the W.G.C was to sign a treaty with the leaders of Hammerfell, High Rock, and Skyrim giving them full independence for return of allowing them to garrison troops in their countries, and forming a friendly allies with them.

Except there is a few problems with that. Hammerfell, Skyrim & High Rock did not want to leave the Empire. The Redguards didn't want independence, they wanted the Great War to keep going. How can you make allies with them, the Empire can't attack the Aldmeri in Hammerfell. So the Redguards will still feel betrayed.

High Rock and Skyrim both agreed to the White-Gold Concordat, even Ulfric Stormcloak wasn't against the Empire until the Markarth Incident and his father's death. Why would the Empire garrison troops in independent countries? The Legions don't protect those in another province, unless they're part of the Empire.

Its a win-to-win kind of situation. The people can still worship Talos (The W.G.C would be null and void giving no power to the Thalmor over them) while the Empire still have connections to these 3 countries using the treaty that they've signed to gain independence.

It isn't really winning, the Empire will have mostly been disbanded and the Thalmor gaining an upperhand. Generally the provinces on their own seek to do their own thing, losing that single focus that the Empire forces/gives.

Hammerfell would hate the Empire, because they didn't want to leave. High Rock by itself doesn't do too well, they tend to have problems with their kingdoms. Skyrim didn't want to leave either, and being independent is a big thing for the Nords. Torygg would not be able to control an independent Skyrim.

King Torygg would still be alive had this independence taken place. The Stormcloak army would cease to exists, and Ulfric would have no legit reasons to start up a rebellion, and he would not have that much support as a result.

Why would he? The Nords follow the strong. Stronger High Kings, better High Kings weren't able to control an independent Skyrim for long. How do you expect Torygg to?

Even without the Stormcloak Army, you would have some army pop up. Torygg won't be controlling the Nords, they're very different people when on their own. The Empire won't do too well either, the Elder Council would break apart if the Imperium was disbanded. Colovia would most likely break away at that point, and probably be at war with the Nords.

Once the Empire releases it's grasp, the provinces suffer. Morrowind suffered greatly, and their Council fractured leading to a Great House being removed. Black Marsh, every Imperial citizen or Argonian who lived as a citizen of the Empire were slaughtered and sacrificed. Valenwood suffers ethnic purges from the Thalmor. Summerset Isle without the Empire lead to the rising of the Thalmor. Hammerfell was devastated by their continued war with the Thalmor.

I think we should stop releasing provinces, they keep getting worse.

The Emperor did a selfish thing. He took the “ If I'm going down, I'm taking you all with me.” approach. I could never support the Empire when they dangerously lust for power, even risking the lives of their people to maintain such power and authority.

Empire wanted peace. Cyrodiil, Skyrim and High Rock wanted peace at almost any price, the fact the WGC wasn't even opposed completely until twenty six years later is evident to that fact.

Isn't Ulfric lusting for power? Risking the lives of his people to obtain his power and authority? Two of his own Jarls believe so.
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
I'm sorry but it's obvious you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.


And in both your posts, thus far, you have countered absolutely nothing I've said. Mage at least is putting up a fight hahaha.

Most people don't understand the Thalmor anyways, which does not indicate a lack of intelligence on my part.
There's nothing to counter.. In your first sentance you prove you have no clue about your own lore.


Alright Ulfric. Do as I say, not as I do - no?

Or perhaps you should start preaching to us about Talos and the WGC next. Don't forget to include the mass bodies of Elves, Imperials and Khajits piled up on spike traps and incinerators by "Freedom or Sovngarde" loving Nords who claim "I has no place here" or "Your kind does not belong here".

I'd rather be wrong, I'd rather be lunatic than to be in such gross denial about the cause I'm willing to die for... or esp to kill others for. Of course the Empire is enabling this too, but... they're not the ones pulling the trigger. That's ok. I hope the Nords get what's coming to them... prob won't because Skyrim's so remote. But at least the Empire can put you animals back in your place, Septim was no fool - he knew exactly who he was dealing with. Septim straightened you out, must give him credit for doing that.
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
How soon is soon? 5 to 10 years from now?

I 'd be surprised if it was another decade. With the death of Mede and the Legions gathered, maybe months or a couple of years.

The White-Gold Concordat is very hazardous for the human race, and as a result of it being taken to an effect caused a lot of grief to the people. From kidnappings, massacres, imprisonments that includes violent interrogations, and for what? Worshiping a god that the elves don't like or agree with?

Isn't it obvious? To create the uprising in Skyrim. The White-Gold Concordat wasn't that huge a deal for many years, the Nords paid little attention to it. The Thalmor are just rounding up people to keep the war going, with the Legion's hands tied dealing with the rebellion who is to stop the Thalmor walking around doing whatever they want?

Everything the Thalmor generally say is anti-Imperial and surprise the only positive thing they do say is about the Stormcloaks.

By signing the White-gold Concordat gave the Aldmeri Dominion more power over the people by exploiting the weaken Empire, and this is what pissed off a lot of people.

Made the people see the Thalmor's actions more openly. Prior to the White-Gold Concordat they were weakening the Empire through espionage. By signing the White-Gold Concordat the Empire was able to rebuild, Ulfric would have been able to worship Talos in Markarth if the Thalmor weren't using him as an asset, watching him closely.

The smart thing that the Empire could of done as an alternative after signing the W.G.C was to sign a treaty with the leaders of Hammerfell, High Rock, and Skyrim giving them full independence for return of allowing them to garrison troops in their countries, and forming a friendly allies with them.

Except there is a few problems with that. Hammerfell, Skyrim & High Rock did not want to leave the Empire. The Redguards didn't want independence, they wanted the Great War to keep going. How can you make allies with them, the Empire can't attack the Aldmeri in Hammerfell. So the Redguards will still feel betrayed.

High Rock and Skyrim both agreed to the White-Gold Concordat, even Ulfric Stormcloak wasn't against the Empire until the Markarth Incident and his father's death. Why would the Empire garrison troops in independent countries? The Legions don't protect those in another province, unless they're part of the Empire.

Its a win-to-win kind of situation. The people can still worship Talos (The W.G.C would be null and void giving no power to the Thalmor over them) while the Empire still have connections to these 3 countries using the treaty that they've signed to gain independence.

It isn't really winning, the Empire will have mostly been disbanded and the Thalmor gaining an upperhand. Generally the provinces on their own seek to do their own thing, losing that single focus that the Empire forces/gives.

Hammerfell would hate the Empire, because they didn't want to leave. High Rock by itself doesn't do too well, they tend to have problems with their kingdoms. Skyrim didn't want to leave either, and being independent is a big thing for the Nords. Torygg would not be able to control an independent Skyrim.

King Torygg would still be alive had this independence taken place. The Stormcloak army would cease to exists, and Ulfric would have no legit reasons to start up a rebellion, and he would not have that much support as a result.

Why would he? The Nords follow the strong. Stronger High Kings, better High Kings weren't able to control an independent Skyrim for long. How do you expect Torygg to?

Even without the Stormcloak Army, you would have some army pop up. Torygg won't be controlling the Nords, they're very different people when on their own. The Empire won't do too well either, the Elder Council would break apart if the Imperium was disbanded. Colovia would most likely break away at that point, and probably be at war with the Nords.

Once the Empire releases it's grasp, the provinces suffer. Morrowind suffered greatly, and their Council fractured leading to a Great House being removed. Black Marsh, every Imperial citizen or Argonian who lived as a citizen of the Empire were slaughtered and sacrificed. Valenwood suffers ethnic purges from the Thalmor. Summerset Isle without the Empire lead to the rising of the Thalmor. Hammerfell was devastated by their continued war with the Thalmor.

I think we should stop releasing provinces, they keep getting worse.

The Emperor did a selfish thing. He took the “ If I'm going down, I'm taking you all with me.” approach. I could never support the Empire when they dangerously lust for power, even risking the lives of their people to maintain such power and authority.

Empire wanted peace. Cyrodiil, Skyrim and High Rock wanted peace at almost any price, the fact the WGC wasn't even opposed completely until twenty six years later is evident to that fact.

Isn't Ulfric lusting for power? Risking the lives of his people to obtain his power and authority? Two of his own Jarls believe so.


And let's not forget all the civil unrest and other problems which will result from Ulfric's arrogance which will undoubtedly break the country. Of course, even if it does that's one less problem for us to deal with. Bad if you care about Skyrim though. ;)
 

-The Ice Queen-

Rightful Queen of Skyrim
I have played both factions, and I have decided that, for the good of Skyrim, the Imperials work better. If Skyrim broke off from the Empire, not only would the Empire be obliterated, but (eventually) Skyrim as well. That and I don't like Solitude to be in ruins (kind of). So, Imperials for me!
 

Ivory

Let's Player
A word on the four basic classes:

Templar: Similar to the Paladin from D2. If you enjoyed playing as a Knight, Warrior or Barbarian in Oblivion, then this is your man. It's got all your classic 'White Knight' stuff and is actually a pretty popular class for some reason.

Dragon Knight: A versatile class for fire-casters. Good synergy with Dark Elves. Spellswords, Battlemages and Mage-hunter types from Oblivion would be a good fit here. The only issue is, this class is all about fire and martial arts. So, if you're playing against the Ebonyhard people, this might not be the best class for you because they will have more Dragon Knights than anyone else and Dark Elves has good resistance to fire. all around, still a very good class and an excellent tank class.

Sorcerer: The 'Sorcerer', Mage, Spellsword, Wizard or Battlemage element from Oblivion would like this. Because unlike Dragon knight, you're mastering lightening and the use of magic itself, with few races being naturally res to lightening and ending up with a better mastery of magic than Dragon Knight class. Although, Dragon Knight spells are more 'cunning', you're just throwing lightening around for a while and summoning critters until you get to the higher lvl spells. Even still, it seems like the Sorcerer offense kills faster than that of Dragon Knight, however Dragon Knight has better synergy with things like the bow, as it takes forever for the Sorcerer to lvl enough to use 'Surge'. Class is very similar to the 'Sorceress' from D2. Pay close attention to the each 'morph' if you go this route. Get involved with the Mages Guild asap, and find as much as 'synergy' as you can between this class and Heavy Armor, Robes, Swords, Bow. You have to use your advanced understanding of Magic to create solutions, whereas something like Templar or Dragon Knight has the solutions, yet those classes are limited because they're 'giving you' the solutions. Whereas a Sorcerer, is someone who uses an Adv understanding of magic to create their own solutions. If that makes any sense whatsoever.

Nightblade: Assassin, Thief, Archer, some magic support. You'll know immed if this is something for you or not. ;)

A Templar can be an Assassin as much as a DK can be a mage, or a Sorcerer can be a tank as much as a Nightblade can. My main is a (Falmer) Altmer Werewolf Vampire (glitched) Nightblade Tank. He siphons life from enemies to replenish himself and other allies, especially Healing mages since they can't always focus on themselves. A support tank. He can take a bashing.

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Before he went vamp. With a bunch of people in the Daggerfall Covenant getting an Elder Scroll from the Ebonheart Pact. We were successful.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
Took that post down, I don't think it conveyed the point adequately enough. Which, is nothing unusual. ;)


That's good though, glad you guys accomplished something there. I can only imagine what rewards you guys picked up. :)

I dunno though... not really a 'team player' myself. Guess I'll just get back to wandering around Tamriel. Tah.
 
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Nephor The Shadow Stalker

Strike swiftly and silently.
After playing both it seems moot to pick a side anymore. Stromcloaks are boring and cold if you aren't a nord and the empire is meh. They should've put aside their petty squabbling's about freedom or united blah blah blah. If you haven't noticed there are fluffing dragons attacking!! MORONS!!
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
After playing both it seems moot to pick a side anymore. Stromcloaks are boring and cold if you aren't a nord and the empire is meh. They should've put aside their petty squabbling's about freedom or united blah blah blah. If you haven't noticed there are fluffing dragons attacking!! MORONS!!

Imperial Legates all mention the Dragons as a problem they currently face, Legion is also fighting the Forsworn.

I'm not 100% sure about the Stormcloaks, but it is mentioned the Legion get into conflict with the Dragons quite often. Something to do with everytime they move their forces it attracts a Dragon.
 

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