Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
It isn't that he's treated bad, he keeps himself distant from the Mages.

Not treated bad, but... confronted from time to time.

Mirabelle: "I believe I've made myself rather clear."
Ancano: "Yes of course. I'm simply trying to understand the reasoning behind the decision."
Mirabelle: "You may be used to the Empire bowing to your every whim, but I'm afraid you'll find the Thalmor receive no such treatment here. You are a guest of the College, here at the pleasure of the Arch-Mage. I hope you appreciate the opportunity."
Ancano: "Yes, of course. The Arch-Mage has my thanks."
Mirabelle: "Very good. Then we're done here."

Mirabelle: "I've had yet another complaint. Please stop barging in on experiments in progress."
Ancano: "My dear, I am merely observing the proceedings."
Mirabelle: "Well then "observe" from a greater distance. You're making people uncomfortable."
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
Wait just a min there Mr Eastwood. Didn't you say something a while back about Mage's being detached from people? To the point where they are perceived as being insane? I haven't read everything on here however seem to remember something about that.

Besides, if you were treated as bad as Ancano was, like an outsider, and later on had an opportunity to get your hands on a magic 8 ball in the sky that grants unlimited wishes and some smarta$$ noob was trying to take it away from you, you may go a little insane yourself. If you cared enough that is. ;)

There is detached, and then there is crazy son of a bitch who nearly destroys the world because they were dicking around with something they don't understand or could properly control. He went power crazy, doubt he was even thinking about the Thalmor at this point.

It isn't that he's treated bad, he keeps himself distant from the Mages. He doesn't trust them, and spied on them. The Thalmor are enemies with the Psijic Order, simply because they have power and will not be controlled.


And that's why the Nords from the ancient days prevented the snow elves from getting their hands on the magical ball. The snow elves decided to attack first, and the Nords was like "Hell no you didn't!" and retaliated. The Nords thought that taking their land thus making Skyrim Nord land was fair compensation.

Looks like I will be joining forces with Drunkenmage to slap some ownage on this Ancano fellow... that scum Thalmor.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
It isn't that he's treated bad, he keeps himself distant from the Mages.

Not treated bad, but... confronted from time to time.

Mirabelle: "I believe I've made myself rather clear."
Ancano: "Yes of course. I'm simply trying to understand the reasoning behind the decision."
Mirabelle: "You may be used to the Empire bowing to your every whim, but I'm afraid you'll find the Thalmor receive no such treatment here. You are a guest of the College, here at the pleasure of the Arch-Mage. I hope you appreciate the opportunity."
Ancano: "Yes, of course. The Arch-Mage has my thanks."
Mirabelle: "Very good. Then we're done here."

Mirabelle: "I've had yet another complaint. Please stop barging in on experiments in progress."
Ancano: "My dear, I am merely observing the proceedings."
Mirabelle: "Well then "observe" from a greater distance. You're making people uncomfortable."

I'd complain too. Tolfdir talking to me about his observations on the Eye of Magnus, and he's there hovering right behind me like the Grim Reaper. The Mer needs a lesson on personal space.

Aren was foolish in keeping him around, the Thalmor are never to be trusted or allowed be near powerful objects that radiate extreme amounts of magic. You would think the Psijics removing their island around the same time the Thalmor took power as a sign.
 
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Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
I want to look at the Thalmor straight in the eyes.....

Because if you fully plan to piss off the Nords by taking away Talos, you're fricken on knife ears! You best plan on having your land forfeited like the last elves that decided to mess with us.

History is about to repeat itself.

Oh be ready for when Alinor becomes a symbol of Talos worship. We have full plans on putting a giant size statue of Talos and, to build a temple where people can openly worship Talos.

 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Wait just a min there Mr Eastwood. Didn't you say something a while back about Mage's being detached from people? To the point where they are perceived as being insane? I haven't read everything on here however seem to remember something about that.

Besides, if you were treated as bad as Ancano was, like an outsider, and later on had an opportunity to get your hands on a magic 8 ball in the sky that grants unlimited wishes and some smarta$$ noob was trying to take it away from you, you may go a little insane yourself. If you cared enough that is. ;)

There is detached, and then there is crazy son of a bitch who nearly destroys the world because they were dicking around with something they don't understand or could properly control. He went power crazy, doubt he was even thinking about the Thalmor at this point.

It isn't that he's treated bad, he keeps himself distant from the Mages. He doesn't trust them, and spied on them. The Thalmor are enemies with the Psijic Order, simply because they have power and will not be controlled.


So you're judge and jury, is that it? Coming from an Empire that not only enables the Thalmor but can't seem to get their people to understand why the Empire takes the place of God, crazy sounds like an excellent alternative. Even death.
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Wait just a min there Mr Eastwood. Didn't you say something a while back about Mage's being detached from people? To the point where they are perceived as being insane? I haven't read everything on here however seem to remember something about that.

Besides, if you were treated as bad as Ancano was, like an outsider, and later on had an opportunity to get your hands on a magic 8 ball in the sky that grants unlimited wishes and some smarta$$ noob was trying to take it away from you, you may go a little insane yourself. If you cared enough that is. ;)

There is detached, and then there is crazy son of a bitch who nearly destroys the world because they were dicking around with something they don't understand or could properly control. He went power crazy, doubt he was even thinking about the Thalmor at this point.

It isn't that he's treated bad, he keeps himself distant from the Mages. He doesn't trust them, and spied on them. The Thalmor are enemies with the Psijic Order, simply because they have power and will not be controlled.


And that's why the Nords from the ancient days prevented the snow elves from getting their hands on the magical ball. The snow elves decided to attack first, and the Nords was like "Hell no you didn't!" and retaliated. The Nords thought that taking their land thus making Skyrim Nord land was fair compensation.

Looks like I will be joining forces with Drunkenmage to slap some ownage on this Ancano fellow... that scum Thalmor.


And YOU... you who justify blatant racism and oppression yet out of your 'pride' you fail to see your own hypocrisy, denying the same freedoms and rights of so many others. Your cause is a lie.

BOTH OF YOU have problems, Empire and Stormcloaks, you are your own worse enemy and neither should rule Tamriel, ever again. Blaming the Thalmor because things didn't up in the way you thought they would be. Go now, kill each other, drink your fill of blood, gorge on it, after all, it's not the Thalmor that's burning your farms and killing your sons.
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
It isn't that he's treated bad, he keeps himself distant from the Mages.

Not treated bad, but... confronted from time to time.

Mirabelle: "I believe I've made myself rather clear."
Ancano: "Yes of course. I'm simply trying to understand the reasoning behind the decision."
Mirabelle: "You may be used to the Empire bowing to your every whim, but I'm afraid you'll find the Thalmor receive no such treatment here. You are a guest of the College, here at the pleasure of the Arch-Mage. I hope you appreciate the opportunity."
Ancano: "Yes, of course. The Arch-Mage has my thanks."
Mirabelle: "Very good. Then we're done here."

Mirabelle: "I've had yet another complaint. Please stop barging in on experiments in progress."
Ancano: "My dear, I am merely observing the proceedings."
Mirabelle: "Well then "observe" from a greater distance. You're making people uncomfortable."


And this is exactly the same reason why things in Tamriel are in the state they're in today. Sad however that is the way of things.

Good talking to you. Off I go now, on the wings of an eagle hahahahaha. ;)
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
And YOU... you who justify blatant racism and oppression yet out of your 'pride' you fail to see your own hypocrisy, denying the same freedoms and rights of so many others. Your cause is a lie.

BOTH OF YOU have problems, Empire and Stormcloaks, you are your own worse enemy and neither should rule Tamriel, ever again. Blaming the Thalmor because things didn't up in the way you thought they would be. Go now, kill each other, drink your fill of blood, gorge on it, after all, it's not the Thalmor that's burning your farms and killing your sons.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stone, which is what you're essentially doing when you start calling the Nords racist and oppressors. The fact that it was the Aldmeri Dominion who firmly believe that they're the rightful rulers in Tamriel are the leading cause of what is going on between the Empire and the Stormcloaks.

The true oppressors are the Thalmor and since they think every other race is below their statute gives them the rightful title of being "Racists", especially when they start calling Nords "beasts".

As far as the thalmor not killing our sons... Nothing could be further from the truth when they send their Talos hunters on the roads root out and to slaughter people for doing nothing more than worshiping their gods.

Shrine_of_Talos_Massacre_Close.png
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
And YOU... you who justify blatant racism and oppression yet out of your 'pride' you fail to see your own hypocrisy, denying the same freedoms and rights of so many others. Your cause is a lie.

BOTH OF YOU have problems, Empire and Stormcloaks, you are your own worse enemy and neither should rule Tamriel, ever again. Blaming the Thalmor because things didn't up in the way you thought they would be. Go now, kill each other, drink your fill of blood, gorge on it, after all, it's not the Thalmor that's burning your farms and killing your sons.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stone, which is what you're essentially doing when you start calling the Nords racist and oppressors. The fact that it was the Aldmeri Dominion who firmly believe that they're the rightful rulers in Tamriel are the leading cause of what is going on between the Empire and the Stormcloaks.

The true oppressors are the Thalmor and since they think every other race is below their statute gives them the rightful title of being "Racists", especially when they start calling Nords "beasts".

As far as the thalmor not killing our sons... Nothing could be further from the truth when they send their Talos hunters on the roads root out and to slaughter people for doing nothing more than worshiping their gods.

Shrine_of_Talos_Massacre_Close.png


You misunderstand my meaning sir. I could really, truly, care less about either side. There is greater work, I feel, needing to be done here. I have as much disdain as I have sympathy, for both sides ;)

But don't deceive yourself friend. Consider the possibility that another aggressor took the Thalmor's place in the Great War, say Akaviri or Raiders or Colovians or Pirates moving down from Highrock... the outcome is the same.

End of the day, no matter the outcome the cracks lead to both of you. Thalmor are null next to how the threat was dealt with and not just during the War mind you.

The blood is on the heads of your leaders, inlcuding Jarl Ulfric. So renounce the false God Talos and take some responsibility for your decisions. Hah.
 
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J

Jeremius

Guest
And YOU... you who justify blatant racism and oppression yet out of your 'pride' you fail to see your own hypocrisy, denying the same freedoms and rights of so many others. Your cause is a lie.

BOTH OF YOU have problems, Empire and Stormcloaks, you are your own worse enemy and neither should rule Tamriel, ever again. Blaming the Thalmor because things didn't up in the way you thought they would be. Go now, kill each other, drink your fill of blood, gorge on it, after all, it's not the Thalmor that's burning your farms and killing your sons.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stone, which is what you're essentially doing when you start calling the Nords racist and oppressors. The fact that it was the Aldmeri Dominion who firmly believe that they're the rightful rulers in Tamriel are the leading cause of what is going on between the Empire and the Stormcloaks.

The true oppressors are the Thalmor and since they think every other race is below their statute gives them the rightful title of being "Racists", especially when they start calling Nords "beasts".

As far as the thalmor not killing our sons... Nothing could be further from the truth when they send their Talos hunters on the roads root out and to slaughter people for doing nothing more than worshiping their gods.

Shrine_of_Talos_Massacre_Close.png

Just going to ask, but if the Stormcloaks want to remove influence, why bother worshiping an IMPERIAL pantheon? No one calls the other gods by Nordic names in the shrines. The Nords have become imperialized. The best thing to do to spit in the face of the Empire and the Thalmor is to abandon their gods and worship Ysgramor as a god. y'know, Ysgramor the elf-killer. I mean, isn't Talos called Ysmir in the Nordic Tongue?
 
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ReiKoko

New Member
my previous character, a bosmer, supported the imperials - however even though i knew i'd have to kill ulfric eventually, when i actually did, i just felt.....sad that it had to come to this, that there was no way to convince the imperials and stormcloaks to fight the thalmor together. despite his prejudice against non-nords, i didn't think that ulfric was a bad man. i just think that the years of festering anger and hatred clouded his judgement.

my current character, a nord, joined the stormcloaks out of patriotism. while i just felt regret and sadness after killing ulfric, killing tullius felt VERY wrong to me. it felt like the thalmor had won, especially given tullius' last words.

playing both sides has been interesting and if i were to choose, i would go with the imperials. i get where the stormcloaks are coming from, but making everyone else the enemy when the true enemy is the thalmor (and everyone knows it) is not the way to go. i'm sure there are racists on the imperial side too, it's just less in your face. tullius and rikke didn't want this war, they were just doing their jobs and they seemed like decent people, too.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
So you're judge and jury, is that it? Coming from an Empire that not only enables the Thalmor but can't seem to get their people to understand why the Empire takes the place of God, crazy sounds like an excellent alternative. Even death.

"The power to unmake the world at my fingertips, and you think you can do anything about it?"

You act like Ancano is innocent, he's far from it. "Judge and jury"... He did go crazy and nearly destroy Winterhold or the world for that matter. He sends another Justiciar to kill the player?

I'm sure it was a misunderstanding and Ancano just wanted to be friends...
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
So you're judge and jury, is that it? Coming from an Empire that not only enables the Thalmor but can't seem to get their people to understand why the Empire takes the place of God, crazy sounds like an excellent alternative. Even death.

"The power to unmake the world at my fingertips, and you think you can do anything about it?"

You act like Ancano is innocent, he's far from it. "Judge and jury"... He did go crazy and nearly destroy Winterhold or the world for that matter. He sends another Justiciar to kill the player?

I'm sure it was a misunderstanding and Ancano just wanted to be friends...


Soldier: Sir, I'm afraid you've gone mad with power.
Ancano: Of course I have. Have you ever tried going mad without power? It's boring, no one listens to you.
 

Orien Terrik

"Arik tree'ac te kek."
Down with the Dominion, the TRUE killer of kings, on the day of their destruction we will drink and we'll sing. They started this Civil War, and have sown distrust, and when Talos beckons us, everyone one of them will...Die!
 

Ancano

High Justiciar
Down with the Dominion, the TRUE killer of kings, on the day of their destruction we will drink and we'll sing. They started this Civil War, and have sown distrust, and when Talos beckons us, everyone one of them will...Die!


ROFLMAO

"My ancestors are smiling at me Imperials" Pffffff hahahahaha

Tell me, where is your God now? hah
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
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Have you ever tried going mad without power? It's boring, no one listens to you.

Didn't stop Kim Jong-un.


Eh... While I appreciate the Star Wars ref, I think you meant to say, "Kim Jong-il".

Kim Jong-un is just a figure head. I highly doubt he has any real power.

And this is a perfect time of year to visit the Embassy. You can enjoy of all the roast, exquisite cheeses, fine fresh beers, wines from all over Tamriel, all to the soothing screams in agony of the Dominion's enemies. Sigh.

I'll forward you an invitation to our next summit. Elenwen could tell you more. Radient Rament in Solitude could help you find something to wear. Ahh yes. One of the great many benefits that come from being a Justiciar. We're always 'dressed for the occassion' hehehe.
 
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Ancano

High Justiciar
... the true enemy is the thalmor (and everyone knows it) is not the way to go...


So, this 'true enemy' crap is B$. From the very beginning, man was his own enemy and his neighbor's enemy, arriving on Tamriel as a 'Conqueror'. However, I find it helpful at times like these to remind myself that our true enemy is instinct, not man himself. But inseparable from Instinct is its dark twin, Superstition, fear of the unknown. Instinct is inextricably bound to unreasoning impulses, and from the Empire's history we clearly see its true nature. After signing the WGC, instinct has become aware of its irrelevance and like a cornered beast, it will not go down without a bloody fight.

That's what I've been saying, 'Everyone knows it'. Well if everyone knows so much why is the Empire on it's knees? Why are the Stormcloaks being used by the Thalmor? They are both broken and serve their Elven Masters (and everyone knows it). You all know so much yet no one wants to look in a mirror and admit they screwed up. It's those witch Elves those Elven bastards... They tricked us into signing that G#$% #$%^ treaty. Those Elven Devils made us murder our neighbors and hijack Skyrim's Gov. "Everything was so much better before the Thalmor came around..."

At what point pray tell, was the generous Empire going to grant the Altmer their freedom(s)? When should 'we' have expected our benevolent overlords to come to a point where they would see us as equals? Indeed, we are not equals however my point is the thought never entered their minds in the least.

Well, clearly the Dominion has your attention now. The cause of freedom does not wait for everyone else to agree.
 
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Lewsean

Member
No Dominion supporter should try to take any sort of moral highground.. You're in the process of carrying out an 'ethnic cleansing' of Valenwood. Go home.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
So, this 'true enemy' crap is B$. From the very beginning, man was his own enemy and his neighbor's enemy, arriving on Tamriel as a 'Conqueror'. However, I find it helpful at times like these to remind myself that our true enemy is instinct, not man himself. But inseparable from Instinct is its dark twin, Superstition, fear of the unknown. Instinct is inextricably bound to unreasoning impulses, and from the Empire's history we clearly see its true nature. After signing the WGC, instinct has become aware of its irrelevance and like a cornered beast, it will not go down without a bloody fight.

That's what I've been saying, 'Everyone knows it'. Well if everyone knows so much why is the Empire on it's knees? Why are the Stormcloaks being used by the Thalmor? They are both broken and serve their Elven Masters (and everyone knows it). You all know so much yet no one wants to look in a mirror and admit they screwed up. It's those witch Elves those Elven bastards... They tricked us into signing that G#$% #$%^ treaty. Those Elven Devils made us murder our neighbors and hijack Skyrim's Gov. "Everything was so much better before the Thalmor came around..."

At what point pray tell, was the generous Empire going to grant the Altmer their freedom(s)? When should 'we' have expected our benevolent overlords to come to a point where they would see us as equals? Indeed, we are not equals however my point is the thought never entered their minds in the least.

Well, clearly the Dominion has your attention now. The cause of freedom does not wait for everyone else to agree.

Mankind were actually peaceful when they arrived to Tamriel, the elves started the conflicts and issues with men. Enslaving them, torturing for fun and sport, destroying cities they built. Wasn't until Ysgramor's Five Hundred Companions and the Cyrodiil slave revolt did the balance of power change from elves to man.

No point in trying to paint the Empire as evil while claiming the Aldmeri Dominion are just defending against evil conquerors. It has been the Aldmeri that have often started these wars, in fact they formed the Dominion once because Valenwood and Cyrodiil were being friendly.

"Grant Altmer freedoms"? In what way were the Altmer oppressed by the Imperials? Even though they started the war with the Empire, they were treated as equals. Summerset Isle maintained their traditions, their methods of governing.

The Thalmor of the Fourth Era are nothing more than twisted political ideology to keep control. It has nothing to do with freedom or justice, just lies and genocide to maintain control. They kill those they deem racially impure, also use that excuse to merely remove those who oppose their beliefs. Enjoy what petty victories the Thalmor get, but their arrogance and false superiority will cause them to fail.

The Thalmor should take a good long look at the Imperials and Nords, because two Elven Civilizations have been wiped off the face of Nirn when they tried to pull the exact same plops the Thalmor are with genocide and enslavement.
 

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
Eh... While I appreciate the Star Wars ref, I think you meant to say, "Kim Jong-il".

Kim Jong-un is just a figure head. I highly doubt he has any real power.

Nope, Kim Jong-un is a little more I'm afraid. I don't believe a mere puppet would have been able to get 6 high ranked bastards executed (personal friends, even). Stupid kid is worse than his father.

And this is a perfect time of year to visit the Embassy. You can enjoy of all the roast, exquisite cheeses, fine fresh beers, wines from all over Tamriel, all to the soothing screams in agony of the Dominion's enemies. Sigh.

But... I am an enemy of the Dominion.
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I'll forward you an invitation to our next summit. Elenwen could tell you more. Radient Rament in Solitude could help you find something to wear. Ahh yes. One of the great many benefits that come from being a Justiciar. We're always 'dressed for the occassion' hehehe.

I'm human, and female at that. I'm not expected to wear anything"for the occasion". ;)
 

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