OOC XCOM: Enemy Unleashed

T. Rakinson said:

This is a new Roleplay. Call me optimistic, but I really dont think we need to worry about the speed of the story right now. & regardless of whether that dialouge had already been said, you have denied other Roleplayers the chance to interact with your character using their own choice of wording. Perhaps the owners of these characters dont mind a little light scripting on your behalf, but failure to even mention your plans in the OOC prior to your post means that it qualifies at Meta-gaming. When you joined this RP you were agreeing to not do this among other things, I assumed you read the rules at the start?
Please notify people in the future if you plan to script their Characters. This is nothing major, but I merely wish to clearly establish the rules set.

As for your problem Terrik, maybe try contacting an admin?

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It was two sentences. Perfectly in character, entirely reasonable from everything Duncan had said and how he had acted. It was important for Ben to get to main squad interaction while also being told his rank was reduced. I am perfectly fine with this, I WILL NOT consider it meta-gaming.

If I sometimes need to add 1-2 sentences to keep a nice flow, I WILL do it. Everyone should. It is just stupid to try to make people write a post, then have to wait 1 day or more for a simple 1 sentence response before continuing. If I didn't have time to write a post after that, it would have my character in an awkward state of being between positions while other people could be talking and interacting for a couple of days while I'm too busy to post.

This is not even a case of meta-gaming. It's a case of you being picky to try to prove a point, and I suggest you actually wait for a viable case before jumping on me.

And also, it really is not appreciated to have spent a good three hours working on that post, with the time added to read and re-read everyone's posts to make sure all the words, colors, times, and emotions were consistent just to have you try to make a big deal over 1-2 sentences which, and this is really worth mentioning, were perfectly in-character.

So I had my bits of my CC vanish(whole thing), then I went to look for the word document I had it on and probably never even saved it.

I am not 'jumping' on you, nor am I being 'picky'. I respect that you spent time on your post, & it is of good quality, but you have to remember that other people have spent time on their posts, plus their characters for that matter.
The problem dosent lye in the fact that you did add other peoples dialogue, its that you didnt even give a notice to any of us, & while nobody else seems bothered by this I have intentionally placed in the original post that doing this is against the established rules of this story.

If you're impatient for the story to continue because of worry for how long it will take people to reply (& if that is the case then I'm very complimented that you have such eagerness for this Roleplay) then maybe join some other Roleplays (or any hobby, for that matter) to pass the time until people are ready to reply. People have their own schedules to follow in real life.
Now please, lets not have a full-blown argument about this. I am willing to bet that past RP experiences have left us both with different views of what falls under the category of Meta-gaming.

I am willing to concede that my mood at the time of the reply may have led to my post sounding somewhat critical, & if it was recieved that way then you have my apoligies. But I would prefer that for the extent of this Roleplay, if you wish to control the dialogue for Duncan (or anybody else, though I sense I am alone in this view) then please inform me beforehand.

I am not 'jumping' on you, nor am I being 'picky'. I respect that you spent time on your post, & it is of good quality, but you have to remember that other people have spent time on their posts too. Now, I seem to be the only person who's bothered by this & I respect that you & I have have different views of what Meta-gaming is based on our seperate past roleplay histories. I have no wish to start an argument about this because thats not what this thread is for.

I'm sorry if you have enough free time on your hands to be impatient about other people posting, but you need to respect that people have their own schedules in real life. If you have nothing else to do then try applying to other Roleplays! You seem a very compotent writer, & if you have spare time I'm sure you can find something to do whilst others formulate their posts.

Now please, lets not start a full-blown argument about this. I am willing to concede that my mood at the time may have lead to my post sounding critisizing to your piece. If that is how you recieved it then you have my apologies. But there are rules that are easily accessible that advise against this incident. I apparently am alone in my dislike of this scripting, so in the future could you please let me know if you plan to control Duncan. I'm not against it, Iv'e seen your capable of brief control of others for dialogue, but its just common courtesy to let people know beforehand.

Damn. That first one dissapeared, then re-appeared after the posting of the second.

My concern was not that other people would be unable to post, especially you, it was that after you posted I might not be able to post for a while which would hold up everyone else.

Now, in all honesty, the reason I did not ask you was because I had spent all that time writing my post. All my writing is completely, 100% impromptu. Extemporaneous. I did not know Duncan would be involved at all in the post. So when I wrote him in, it was honestly just to have the squad leader make himself known to Ben. It was such an insignificant part of that entire post that it did not warrant any second thoughts.

I will concede that I will be sure to inform people before I use them in posts - though in this case if I had thought to do that I would have just left Duncan out entirely due to the fact that he was not written in until about 5:30 PM my time and you tend to not typically be on until about 1 AM my time so that would be 5-6 hours of letting my post sit on these forums, which as Toxius proves is a very dangerous concept.

Now can you re-read it with the thought process "Does this sound something like my character would say" as opposed to "This guy used my character!". Because it seems pretty obvious that your only problem with my "scripting" is that in theory I could have said something inappropriate, not that I actually did.

And if I posted here "I want to use Duncan in my post", you would either answer yes or no. And in all likelihood, assuming you trust people a little bit, you would've said yes and the post would've been the same except delayed. And possibly lost over the likely time period it would have had to sit. We all know how buggy this site is.

And if you said no, I would not have left the post off at Duncan turning the corner. I would have just left Duncan off. I feel like the Duncan part was a nice additional piece, establishing key aspects of what he had said to everyone else to Ben so that he has minimal catching up to do.

Honestly, it has not been worth the trouble of you and I having to write multiple RP post long "arguments" (more akin to differing viewpoints trying to argue theory & practice). I will admit that this all would have been easier if I had not gathered from my two+ years of RP'ing here that nobody minds if you write one or two sentences for their character. That is probably what led me to use Duncan without thinking. Another aspect I have learned is that yes, fully healthy RP's can indeed slow down considerably or die entirely because you left it up for another person to write a short response.

Gidian should know all about this, as his RP The Corrupted Guardian is a very good example of this. People having to wait considerable amounts of time for relatively unimportant responses causing others to simply begin to not care about the RP.

Basically: I did not think about it at the time, but now that I do think about it, I still see no faults in it.

This site is such a Mess. Yea, i sent a message to the Admins, but most of them hadn't been on in a while. The closest one was on in September. One of them hadn't even been on since last year!! No wonder this site is so buggy, haha.

What I meant by 'inform others of your plans to script' is that by telling them beforehand they can modify their post accordingly, instead of arriving at the IC ready to make a new post that they have planned in detail, only to find their character has taken a brand new direction.

This wasnt anything major, you kept to story, I merely wish to make it clear that in future instances unwarned controlling of others chars has been outlined in the rules (of not just this RP, see Powergaming in the Info sheet 'Skyrim freeform Rp- a comprehensive guide'. Having read this prior to joining any RP's, it has become a strict rule of mine to make sure that dosent happen, hence my defensiveness.

This was the first time I have encountered the scripting of one of my chars, so naturally my response would be negative. Judging from your join date its possible Scripting others wasnt as big a deal, but (& with evidence):

[Looking a the Rules section of each]

• http://skyrimforum.com/sf/threads/conquer-with-fire-ii.63361/
• http://skyrimforum.com/sf/threads/18-dusk.51822/
• http://skyrimforum.com/sf/threads/the-shadow-lord-rises.59162/

-now it is not approved unless either the char's owner approves it, or said person has left the Roleplay (AKA last resort), as you have mentioned.
I dont mind if you do so in either of these scenario's, but if not then a Warning is advised.

How much control people should have other other chars is quite a debated topic over numerous Roleplay oriented forums, with different communities holding opposing views. I agree that having the power to exert control over other characters has its merits, but in truth that isnt what Roleplay's are about; they are about writers coming toghether & making a story, each contribuitng an equal amount to its progression.

Alas, it seems we are going off-topic. I'll begin working on a post... after Doctor Who. In regards to your problem Terrik, I'll PM you my idea.

I already got it fixed lol, the like system is operating again.

Oh! Please ignore my Conversation invite.

Honestly, you should have only brought up the issue if you had a problem with what was said. I get it, you want to make a point. But you're never going to convince me of anything when I wasn't wrong.

And honestly, rules learned through experience on multiple sites are going to be much more well-adapted to all situations than Andante's. Plus, "A Comprehensive Guide to Free Form Role Play, for Beginners"

Andante wrote those "rules" as a way of letting new people without experience get into RP, not to dictate how every RP should be run.

And just because other RP's say something similar, that literally means nothing. If somebody told you to jump off a bridge, etc.

That is evidence for my argument- this forum teaches new Roleplayers from the start not to try-

'Tell you what. I doubt were going to reach an agreement on this. Lets just agree to disagree & carry on with the RP, keeping in mind the established rules.

The like system is back! The like system is back!

Also, if anyone here is a true Mass Effect fan, they should've at least gotten a chuckle from the line "assuming direct control" in my post.

Honestly, I didn't notice it :/

EpicVakarian said:

Honestly, I didn't notice it :/

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It is nearly legally required for you to change your username now.

Well, I have been really busy, distracted, tired and ill for the past week, so...

I didn't see it either Epic.


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"Corporal Graham, assuming direct control of Dagger"

I know it was a long post, but I tried to keep it from being boring.