Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
the false-Emperor Mede.

How exactly is Titus Mede II a false Emperor? He was crowned accordingly by the Elder Council, and is part of a Dynasty that has ruled the Empire effectively since 4E 17. For the most part the Empire has been prosperous and happy, until the Great War broke out.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
the false-Emperor Mede.

How exactly is Titus Mede II a false Emperor? He was crowned accordingly by the Elder Council, and is part of a Dynasty that has ruled the Empire effectively since 4E 17. For the most part the Empire has been prosperous and happy, until the Great War broke out.


After signing the WGC. Up until then he was doing fine. He did save the Empire by signing the WGC, however, he lost a lot of credibility with Hammerfell and Skyrim at the same time.

You cannot have reconciliation with either Province until he resigns. Therefore, the WGC invalidates his rule as Emperor because his policies are undoing the Empire. Also, you can't have this much Thalmor influence over the Empire and have everyone be prosperous and happy. Of which, Titus Mede II is enabling the Thalmor by allowing them into Skyrim to conduct their business. If Gen Tully can say 'no' to them, than what's wrong with the Emperor saying 'no' as well? Something's wrong there.

Ulfric was right about this ~ Something's gotta give. However, that does not make him right about the Empire itself or justify his methods which only serve the Thalmor in the long run as they are behind Ulfric's cause while he blames the Empire for all of Skyrim's problems. Both Ulfric and Titus Mede II have to go.

But that is all for now. See you around. ;)


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Lewsean

Member
the false-Emperor Mede.

How exactly is Titus Mede II a false Emperor? He was crowned accordingly by the Elder Council, and is part of a Dynasty that has ruled the Empire effectively since 4E 17. For the most part the Empire has been prosperous and happy, until the Great War broke out.


After signing the WGC. Up until then he was doing fine. He did save the Empire by signing the WGC, however, he lost a lot of credibility with Hammerfell and Skyrim at the same time.

You cannot have reconciliation with either Province until he resigns. Therefore, the WGC invalidates his rule as Emperor because his policies are undoing the Empire. Also, you can't have this much Thalmor influence over the Empire and have everyone be prosperous and happy. Of which, Titus Mede II is enabling the Thalmor by allowing them into Skyrim to conduct their business. If Gen Tully can say 'no' to them, than what's wrong with the Emperor saying 'no' as well? Something's wrong there.

Ulfric was right about this ~ Something's gotta give. However, that does not make him right about the Empire itself or justify his methods which only serve the Thalmor in the long run as they are behind Ulfric's cause while he blames the Empire for all of Skyrim's problems. Both Ulfric and Titus Mede II have to go.

But that is all for now. See you around. ;)


I'm sorry, but you thinking an institution shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of it's leaders is silly. It's also hypocritical to post that picture if you really beleive in what you just wrote lol..
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
How exactly is Titus Mede II a false Emperor? He was crowned accordingly by the Elder Council, and is part of a Dynasty that has ruled the Empire effectively since 4E 17. For the most part the Empire has been prosperous and happy, until the Great War broke out.


After signing the WGC. Up until then he was doing fine. He did save the Empire by signing the WGC, however, he lost a lot of credibility with Hammerfell and Skyrim at the same time.

You cannot have reconciliation with either Province until he resigns. Therefore, the WGC invalidates his rule as Emperor because his policies are undoing the Empire. Also, you can't have this much Thalmor influence over the Empire and have everyone be prosperous and happy. Of which, Titus Mede II is enabling the Thalmor by allowing them into Skyrim to conduct their business. If Gen Tully can say 'no' to them, than what's wrong with the Emperor saying 'no' as well? Something's wrong there.

Ulfric was right about this ~ Something's gotta give. However, that does not make him right about the Empire itself or justify his methods which only serve the Thalmor in the long run as they are behind Ulfric's cause while he blames the Empire for all of Skyrim's problems. Both Ulfric and Titus Mede II have to go.

But that is all for now. See you around. ;)


I'm sorry, but you thinking an institution shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of it's leaders is silly. It's also hypocritical to post that picture if you really beleive in what you just wrote lol..


Stormcloak attitude and the way you're drawing your conclusions is exactly why I'm not a Stormcloak. :) Furthermore, it can't be Hypocritical if Gen Tullius has the same views. You guys do not own Freedom.

I'm a true son of the Empire and my beliefs are not yours to question.
 

Lewsean

Member
After signing the WGC. Up until then he was doing fine. He did save the Empire by signing the WGC, however, he lost a lot of credibility with Hammerfell and Skyrim at the same time.

You cannot have reconciliation with either Province until he resigns. Therefore, the WGC invalidates his rule as Emperor because his policies are undoing the Empire. Also, you can't have this much Thalmor influence over the Empire and have everyone be prosperous and happy. Of which, Titus Mede II is enabling the Thalmor by allowing them into Skyrim to conduct their business. If Gen Tully can say 'no' to them, than what's wrong with the Emperor saying 'no' as well? Something's wrong there.

Ulfric was right about this ~ Something's gotta give. However, that does not make him right about the Empire itself or justify his methods which only serve the Thalmor in the long run as they are behind Ulfric's cause while he blames the Empire for all of Skyrim's problems. Both Ulfric and Titus Mede II have to go.

But that is all for now. See you around. ;)


I'm sorry, but you thinking an institution shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of it's leaders is silly. It's also hypocritical to post that picture if you really beleive in what you just wrote lol..


Stormcloak attitude and the way you're drawing your conclusions is exactly why I'm not a Stormcloak. :) Furthermore, it can't be Hypocritical if Gen Tullius has the same views. You guys do not own Freedom.

I'm a true son of the Empire and my beliefs are not yours to question.
Yes it is. "Oh it's not the Empire, it's Titus Mede, but here's a picture of an Imperial soldier surrounded by Stormcloak bodies". If you REALLY believes what Titus Mede did was wrong, you wouldn't support the Empire in the Civil War that enforces the very thing you deem wrong. Hypocritical.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
I'm sorry, but you thinking an institution shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of it's leaders is silly. It's also hypocritical to post that picture if you really beleive in what you just wrote lol..


Stormcloak attitude and the way you're drawing your conclusions is exactly why I'm not a Stormcloak. :) Furthermore, it can't be Hypocritical if Gen Tullius has the same views. You guys do not own Freedom.

I'm a true son of the Empire and my beliefs are not yours to question.
Yes it is. "Oh it's not the Empire, it's Titus Mede, but here's a picture of an Imperial soldier surrounded by Stormcloak bodies". If you REALLY believes what Titus Mede did was wrong, you wouldn't support the Empire in the Civil War that enforces the very thing you deem wrong. Hypocritical.


Fallacy. That's what YOU think. Your personal bias against the Empire is blinding you to other possibilities, which is why even if you win, you still lose.

Also, Legate Rikke AND Gen Tullius might disagree with you, as they both are Imperial Leaders that respect the Emperor, however their ideals run contrary to the Emperor and are not unlike Stormcloak ideals. Yet even in doing so, they are still loyal to the Empire.

You also completely missed what the scene in that picture represents, which I'm not surprised. Stormcloaks can't pursue alternative options because theirs is a charismatic cause and Ulfric sets the stage for them. Therfore, it must be your way or no one's way at all because Ulfric won't have it. Do you see this? I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes here however Ulfric has made it very clear from his first speech in Windhelm, to his comments during Season Unending, even the cart ride in the very beginning. The Bear of Markarth won't take 'no' for an answer.

Fortunately, Imperials have options. Sometimes you gots to think like a man and deal wit it. Hahahahaha

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"I came, I saw, I conquered" -Julius Caesar​
 
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LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
I'm sorry, but you thinking an institution shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of it's leaders is silly. It's also hypocritical to post that picture if you really beleive in what you just wrote lol..


Stormcloak attitude and the way you're drawing your conclusions is exactly why I'm not a Stormcloak. :) Furthermore, it can't be Hypocritical if Gen Tullius has the same views. You guys do not own Freedom.

I'm a true son of the Empire and my beliefs are not yours to question.
Yes it is. "Oh it's not the Empire, it's Titus Mede, but here's a picture of an Imperial soldier surrounded by Stormcloak bodies". If you REALLY believes what Titus Mede did was wrong, you wouldn't support the Empire in the Civil War that enforces the very thing you deem wrong. Hypocritical.


And speaking of Hypocritical, why isn't his majesty on the front lines, defending himself and his countrymen like Ysgramor would have done... Ulfric had no problem calling out High King Torygg, so what's his excuse now? Ulfric won't defend you, he lets all these people die in his place instead of meeting the enemy at the gate. At least the High King met his fate face-to-face with the enemy and without hiding behind a wall of bodies, namely Stormcloak bodies... Of those like yourself. :eek:


Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.” – Adama​
 
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Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
I think it's sad that people like Brelas and Melborn are incapable of seeking help from the Empire due of their direct involvements of the Thalmor through the WGC. Instead of seeking shelter in Solitude they run all the way to Windhelm in the headquarters of Stormcloak territory prior to leaving Skyrim to Morrowind.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
I think it's sad that people like Brelas and Melborn are incapable of seeking help from the Empire due of their direct involvements of the Thalmor through the WGC. Instead of seeking shelter in Solitude they run all the way to Windhelm in the headquarters of Stormcloak territory prior to leaving Skyrim to Morrowind.


I imagine things will get a lot worse before they get any better. Keep in mind, while some are running from the inevitable, others are running to the front lines.

Admittedly, the notion conjures up some old memories of mine from bootcamp. We'd go thru these 'combat conditioning' scenarios. One in which, they would turn out all the light and simulate like you're on a beach with fallen trees and such. You could only use flares to see and in one of these one man was placed on a stretcher and the team had to get him to the pickup zone.

I can only imagine what it'd be like to be on the front lines in Cyrodil when the pl*ps gets real.
 
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DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
I think it's sad that people like Brelas and Melborn are incapable of seeking help from the Empire due of their direct involvements of the Thalmor through the WGC. Instead of seeking shelter in Solitude they run all the way to Windhelm in the headquarters of Stormcloak territory prior to leaving Skyrim to Morrowind.

I don't think it is sad, they're not seeking help from the Stormcloaks or Empire. Going to Windhelm seems logical if you were heading into Morrowind, no point hiding in Solitude when the way into Morrowind is on the other side of the map.

Stormcloaks can't protect them from the Thalmor, they use assets of different races. Why else do you think they're running to Morrowind?
 

Stalker

Member
Stormcloaks, Empire is but a shadow of its former self, a puppet of the Thalmor.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
I have a system:
  1. If the character is a crusader-type, they FAVOR the Imperials due to worshipping gods other than Talos.
  2. If the character is a stealthy-type, the Stormcloaks make some sense.
  3. If the character is a mage, they REFUSE the war.
None of my character actually get involved in the questline, but they all have their sides they favor.
 
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LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
I have a system:
  1. If the character is a crusader-type, they FAVOR the Imperials due to worshipping gods other than Stendarr.
  2. If the character is a stealthy-type, the Stormcloaks make some sense.
  3. If the character is a mage, they REFUSE the war.
None of my character actually get involved in the questline, but they all have their sides they favor.


1) Crusaders could also be Stormcloaks or even Thalmor.
2) True, they does. Something I never understood about them... why just use Light Armor? Nord Heros that I've ever heard about wouldn't be seen dead in Light Armor. Never understood this because even in Oblivion Heavy Armor was the Nord's *thing*. I get the gorilla tactics argument but... just doesn't seem right.
3) Not necessarily. BattleMages and every other Mage class under sun could fit in w/ the Empire or Thalmor. With the Stormcloaks this is questionable though not impossible.

Cause' technically speaking every Breton in the Legion is a battlemage because of their magic-resist. ;)

There again, why would any serious mage want to help the Stormcloaks? After all the pl*ps they've given the College of Winterhold you'd think common sense would prevail.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
I have a system:
  1. If the character is a crusader-type, they FAVOR the Imperials due to worshipping gods other than Stendarr.
  2. If the character is a stealthy-type, the Stormcloaks make some sense.
  3. If the character is a mage, they REFUSE the war.
None of my character actually get involved in the questline, but they all have their sides they favor.


1) Crusaders could also be Stormcloaks or even Thalmor.
2) True, they does. Something I never understood about them... why just use Light Armor? Nord Heros that I've ever heard about wouldn't be seen dead in Light Armor. Never understood this because even in Oblivion Heavy Armor was the Nord's *thing*. I get the gorilla tactics argument but... just doesn't seem right.
3) Not necessarily. BattleMages and every other Mage class under sun could fit in w/ the Empire or Thalmor. With the Stormcloaks this is questionable though not impossible.

Cause' technically speaking every Breton in the Legion is a battlemage because of their magic-resist. ;)

There again, why would any serious mage want to help the Stormcloaks? After all the pl*ps they've given the College of Winterhold you'd think common sense would prevail.

Why would any mage want to get involved at all? All they should really care about are their spell books.

I mis-typed the god. None of my crusaders worship Talos, so have no real reason to care about he Stormcloak Cause. And Thalmor are evil.
 

LegateFasendil

Imperial Legate
Why would any mage want to get involved at all? All they should really care about are their spell books.

I mis-typed the god. None of my crusaders worship Talos, so have no real reason to care about he Stormcloak Cause. And Thalmor are evil.


"... All they should care about are their spell books."

According to *you*. Like our friend from earlier, this is your personal bias.

Here, do this if you would, please check this out:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Classes


So as you can see, there are literally *all kinds* of mages. A mage, is a profession. It sounds to me like you're really ref to a scholar. Mage is not necessarily a scholar. Remember, Intelligence and Willpower are not all that makes up a mage.

Take Drunken, he like his Mead apparently. And his stables. Yet he's involved in the war. What aspiring Mage majoring in the school of Destruction or Restoration wouldn't find a place in the war? If nothing else, to further their skills. Wars == Opportunity; Wars == Opportunity.

Your stereotypical mage scholar is a very limited view on what amounts to a profession that in Tamriel, applies to all walks of like and virtually any occasion.
 
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Jeremius

Guest
Why would any mage want to get involved at all? All they should really care about are their spell books.

I mis-typed the god. None of my crusaders worship Talos, so have no real reason to care about he Stormcloak Cause. And Thalmor are evil.


"... All they should care about are their spell books."

According to *you*. Like our friend from earlier, this is your personal bias.

Here, do this if you would, please check this out:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Classes


So as you can see, there are literally *all kinds* of mages. A mage, is a profession. It sounds to me like you're really ref to a scholar. Mage is not necessarily a scholar. Remember, Intelligence and Willpower are not all that makes up a mage.

Take Drunken, he like his Mead apparently. And his stables. Yet he's involved in the war. What aspiring Mage majoring in the school of Destruction or Restoration wouldn't find a place in the war? If nothing else, to further their skills. Wars == Opportunity; Wars == Opportunity.

Your stereotypical mage scholar is a very limited view on what amounts to a profession that in Tamriel, applies to all walks of like and virtually any occasion.

Not a lot of mages would EVER share that view.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Why would any mage want to get involved at all? All they should really care about are their spell books.

Mages have been involved in many wars, the Empire's Shadow Legion and the Imperial Battle College are some examples of Mages being made into powerful soldiers, healers, tacticians.

I pray you remember their valour and their service in the name of Empire and forever hold high the name of Battlemage. - Letter to the Grand Marshall of the Imperial Legion.

What do you consider a "Mage"?
 
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