DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Just plant a knife on Grelod's body. Bitch came at you randomly when you wanted to browse for slaves to clean your house.
Would you welcome an Elven Empire(Not Thalmor)?
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Yimir Skallagrimson
Member
Absolutely not, but that goes for any setting that has elves in it, I never liked elves and TES is no exception.
pokemaster787
Member
The Thalmor aren't evil. The thing is, a lot of them either don't know what's really going on, or have been "Re-educated" so that they'll follow orders no matter what. They're fed lies that they're the superior race and all the others are savages, I'm not saying they're free of blame, but mainly the blame goes to the higher ups aware of the ultimate goal and pretty much brainwashing going on.
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Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Kinda like Megachurches.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
I much prefer the Imperial Empire, they've been the most successful throughout history. Which stems from their cosmopolitan views and mixture of cultures.
Cyrodiil being the seat of an Empire will probably be common throughout TES games, regardless of size in landmass. Unless Cyrodiil splits and the Colovian Estates rise once more.
Cyrodiil being the seat of an Empire will probably be common throughout TES games, regardless of size in landmass. Unless Cyrodiil splits and the Colovian Estates rise once more.
Yimir Skallagrimson
Member
I personally just kill ever High elf I can find, but that is because the game gives me an opportunity to engage in some good old cathartic irrational and absolutely misdirected hatred - because for all the " social progress" I want to come about, I still love to vent by being racist. I Do really! Not because it's fun to be racist it is because it's so... freaking enjoyably simple, daring to be absolutely fluffing stupid every once in a while is a super stress reliever, and stupidly genocidal to boot just makes me moist all the right way. Being just an assassin for the Dark Brotherhood kinda makes it less personable, You kill everyone and the spark is gone real quick real fast. Nothing makes me giggle like a Japanese pre-teen eager schoolgirl than bumping in to Thalmor on the road.
And what more victim-less way to do it than to be disgustingly racist against something that doesn't exist in real life? Catharsis is had, nobody is hurt in the process. Win-Win I call it.
...Oh wait what were we talking abou... oh right - *ekhem* I Oppose the economic and social Unrest that the Thalmor bring in to the Empire and I feel our leaders are no longer trusted with our civil liberties - observe this Pie Chart I made in paint I have made to show how much not racist I am against the Elves, merely doing what I feel is good and just. (jesus fluff who writes this plops...)
And what more victim-less way to do it than to be disgustingly racist against something that doesn't exist in real life? Catharsis is had, nobody is hurt in the process. Win-Win I call it.
...Oh wait what were we talking abou... oh right - *ekhem* I Oppose the economic and social Unrest that the Thalmor bring in to the Empire and I feel our leaders are no longer trusted with our civil liberties - observe this Pie Chart I made in paint I have made to show how much not racist I am against the Elves, merely doing what I feel is good and just. (jesus fluff who writes this plops...)
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Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Wouldn't it just be easier to kill the racist 1/2 of the population in Windhelm? Thalmor are way to much trouble to be tracking down... although... all that pretty armor does bring in some good coin and we can always depend on glass weapons to be valuable.
Miraak Tactics
Member
It wouldn't matter who ruled the Empire, but the Thalmor are ruthless and evil. Therefor they need to be destroyed.
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Uhm... I'm ruthless and evil too. Does that mean I need to destroyed? We're loveable too ya know.
Miraak Tactics
Member
Yes.... But you are just to lovable and snarky to kill!Uhm... I'm ruthless and evil too. Does that mean I need to destroyed? We're loveable too ya know.
I will kill everyone else though.
ecozombie
Loki
Personally, no, and I'm not sure it would be accepted anyway. The Mer have flaws just as Men do. If it was possible, I would ideally like a ruling Council with one of each race on it, including Men and Mer and even the Beast races. I think that would be fair and it would make everyone happy. But unfortunately I don't think its possible. :/
As far as my opinion on the ruling parties themselves, I think Skyrim should go back to letting the Dragonborn rule. Obviously this is if said Dragonborn is somewhat fair and hasn't shown a desire to destroy or subjugate all of Tamriel.
I think the Dragonborns that ruled before served a great purpose.
But both the Empire, the Dominion and even the Stormcloak rebellion have flaws in the way they wish to rule. I'm sure the Dragonborn ruler line did in some ways as well but at least it wasn't as bad as it is now. So unless I'm missing some vital information, which is completely possible as I'm not the most well versed in Tamriel's history and lore.. That's my two cents. The Dragonborn or a ruling Council of All Races.
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As far as my opinion on the ruling parties themselves, I think Skyrim should go back to letting the Dragonborn rule. Obviously this is if said Dragonborn is somewhat fair and hasn't shown a desire to destroy or subjugate all of Tamriel.
I think the Dragonborns that ruled before served a great purpose.
But both the Empire, the Dominion and even the Stormcloak rebellion have flaws in the way they wish to rule. I'm sure the Dragonborn ruler line did in some ways as well but at least it wasn't as bad as it is now. So unless I'm missing some vital information, which is completely possible as I'm not the most well versed in Tamriel's history and lore.. That's my two cents. The Dragonborn or a ruling Council of All Races.
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DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
The Empire's Elder Council is made up of all races. How effective they are is matter for debate, having been corrupt and often seeking to keep more power for themselves. Has flaws, but like any ruling body you get the good people too.
ExoiD
Butter Knife Expert
I don't agree at all with this. The main reason is because I play alot with a beast race (Khajiit) and, you know, sometimes I "get mistreated". So yeah, the Empire should rule, just to keep things up and everyone and every region should be free. =/
But now let's face it, everyone in skyrim or even the TES series wants to rule and have power =P
But now let's face it, everyone in skyrim or even the TES series wants to rule and have power =P
raido KASAI
Ansei Master Badass
Playing devil's advocate, though I actually believe the DB isn't absolved of moral judgement when it comes to killing...We could talk for hours about this i feel. So to answer you. I will assume killing a person is neither good nor evil.
Now let's look at the soldier. Killing is a part of but not all of his duties. Alright since most soldiers outside of war have other various functions they are not evil. If they decide to slaughter a village then they could be evil. Especially if it was against their orders.
The executioner. With this guy we have a Skyrim example in Athar (Solitude guy) he is purely doing his job, he also tortures. He shows no true outwardly sadistic tendencies. This means he might not be good but not necessarily evil and his "targets" are undoubtedly always criminals.
Now we get to assassins my favorites. Within the Dark Brotherhood we have people that revel in their kills (as a soldier can) sometimes kill crimminals ( like our executioner) but they also express glee at any kill. And often kill because they can (Festus said tepid b*tch!
When you remove the moral justifications or consequences of killing someone (as tou must for fantasy games) you still see a difference between the three groups. The line the Dark Brotherhood crosses can best be described as sadism. They dont kill because it is a job. They kill because they liked it. Here are some quotes that describe my viewpoint as a Dark Brother.
"When you are good at something never do it for free." The Joker, the Dark Knight.
"Sure I hurt people. It is part of the job." Early.
"You took the job because you like to hurt people." River Tam, Firefly (Paraphrased)
As my RP character I had that completed the DB quest line, I rationalized it this way; the target of the contract was going to be killed whether I did it, the person who put out the contract or someone else would do it if not me. Being a master assassin, I could do the job cleanly and not kill bystanders in the process whereas whomever would do the kill if not me likely would be messy with it. I was killing something that was dead already and saving other innocents from potential harm in the process.
On a personal level, I don't really agree with that because it makes the general assumption that regardless of my character taking the job, the person would be killed anyway where in reality, if it were up to the person making the contract and no one accepted, I doubt the person would have the cojones to do the kill themselves. If they did, they wouldn't be looking for someone to pawn the job off on to begin with.
ecozombie
Loki
This. I just completed the DB quest line on my main character about a week ago I believe.
And I rationalized it much the same way, only slightly different. I rationalized that this guy or girl whoever the contract may be on, would be killed anyway. Only if I didn't take the job, someone much meaner would. Someone who enjoyed killing and would drag it out. My character always, always tried to make her contract kills quick and painless. She never took joy from them. It was a job to her because she needed the coin. If she couldn't kill this person in one hit she would come back when she could. 99 percent of her contracts were done while the person slept for partly this reason. The only exception to this was Gaius Maro, but even then she killed him in about two or three hits, still making it as quick and painless as possible.
And she had tried to one shot him, even tried coming back to do it slightly stronger, no luck. So.
Now I do believe a lot of the DB is evil to a certain extent. But after all they do say you are the best of them for a reason. And when your character takes over as Listener, who is to say that the way the DB behaves doesn't change by proxy?
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Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Here is the thing. The best of the Dark Brotherhood is exclusively based on contract completion. Cleanly as possible is usually a measure of skill. Even if you have your character justify it as only for money (Why not just do bounties?) You dont need the Dark Brotherhood for income, for most members it is just a bonus.
Lucian LaChance was in lore one of the best killers thr Dark Brotherhood had. He was clean and efficient (Poisoned apples, anyone?) Also there was an unabashed enjoyment in his voice towards his job.
You are the best of them because you kill the best. Even if RP wise you break the mold of their usual recruits, the culture of the Dark Brotherhood isnt going to change after one ruler.
Sorry for continuing this off topic thing. We should migrate these talks to the Is The Dark Brotherhood evil thread.
Lucian LaChance was in lore one of the best killers thr Dark Brotherhood had. He was clean and efficient (Poisoned apples, anyone?) Also there was an unabashed enjoyment in his voice towards his job.
You are the best of them because you kill the best. Even if RP wise you break the mold of their usual recruits, the culture of the Dark Brotherhood isnt going to change after one ruler.
Sorry for continuing this off topic thing. We should migrate these talks to the Is The Dark Brotherhood evil thread.
Ivory
Let's Player
Honestly I would prefer an Elven Empire for once. History has shown it can work. The Second Aldmeri Dominion from the time of the Planemeld is probably the most prosperous among the three alliances and probably has the least tension alongside the Daggerfall Covenant. Queen Ayrenn Aldmeri or High King Emeric if alive during the events of the 4th Era, would have my support to become the next rulers of Tamriel.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
An Orc Empire would be pretty cool. Shaggy giant centipede hats and coats would be top fashion among the Cyrodilic nobility.
Posts-On-Forums
New Member
I'm not racist, real races or fictional races (...usually), so as long as they're not evil, then yes, I would welcome an Elven empire.
