DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
You can do just about anything with a computer these days.
Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?
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Lewsean
Member
Okay it wasn't cut, they hid it somewhere in Riverwood.
You're comparing that to his battle speech, I expected a better argument from you. You're pretty desperate to prove me wrong lol.
You're telling me you think that the dialogue at the start of this video is even remotely similar to the voice editing in your video? Pff.
Lewsean
Member
Maybe
I just posted it to prove that the dialogue was recorded by Vladamir Kulich professionaly and wasn't just words broken up to make it seem so, as opposed to the video Drunken posted.
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
I have the same exact feeling torwards the Imperials. I can't stand siding with them. I have a Dunmer who sided with them, and I personally felt like a douche bag for doing what I did, especially considering the fact that the Thalmor still roams freely throughout Skyrim, and still slaughtering people over their religious beliefs. Also I felt terrible after killing Ulfric, and seeing a mournful Legate Rikke say "Talos be with you" to hear an unsympathetic Tullius essentially correct her by saying "What was that, Legate?".
During Tullius speech after the civil war is finally over with mention:
"The rebellion is over. Ulfric Stormcloak is dead. His head will be sent to Cyrodiil where it will adorn a spike on the walls of the Imperial City."
Now with in comparisons of Ulfrics speech:
"I am indeed Ulfric Stormcloak, and at my side the man/woman we know as Stormblade, and the world knows as the Dragonborn. And indeed, there are many that call us heroes. But it is all of you who are the true heroes! It was you who fought a dying Empire who sunk its claws into our land, trying to drag us down with it. It was you who fought the Thalmor and their puppets who would have us deny our gods and our heritage. It was you who fought your kin who didn't understand our cause, who weren't willing to pay the price of our freedom. But more than that, it was you who fought for Skyrim, for our right to fight our own battles... To return to our glory and traditions, to determine our own future!"
He mentions nothing about desecrating Tullius corpse by chopping off his head, and adorn it on a spike on the walls of Windhelm. In fact Tullius and Rikke had a well deserve funeral, and a final resting place in the halls of the dead in Solitude.
The Empire reminds me a lot like the Forsworn.... very uncivilized.
Reminds me of this scene from Resident evil
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Zoblazo
Ur nan`s h0usecarl
After this I'm considering joining the stormcloacks, I think I haven't done so previously because all the propaganda from the Imperials and the bad-mouthing from Balgruuf since it was the only thing I could go by given I never did the Stormcloaks quest. And honestly, it's not that I like Tullius or Rikke or the Thalmor, but more like I didn't feel like it'd be fair for the other races living in Skyrim since Ulfric can barely rule Windhelm. I felt like deriving from what I saw in Windhelm, the poverty and segregation(the gray quarters and the Argonians residing in the docks outside the city), Ulfric was not fit to rule Skyrim. From what I saw there, I felt like Ulfric would drive Skyrim to just that, poverty and segregation. He did an awful job running his hold, how could he run a country! Plus, the Imperials do a good job of running Cyrodiil, and from what I see they've done an equally good job running Skyrim. After I completed the Imperial quest, when I visited the holds that were previously in Stormcloak custody and visited the halls where the Jarls reside, I was actually quite happy with my decision. The new appointed Jarl of Windhelm, Brunwulf Free-Winter, actually sought a better Windhelm by trying to end the segregation and poverty going on. He looked for the better of the people, as opposed to his own wealth. And when I visited Riften there really wasn't much change. The Maven Black-Brior became the appointed Jarl and judging by how wealthy and successful she is she might actually be good for Riften. She's also got some great connections too
. However corrupt it may end up being in the end, I think she'll do a good job in changing Riften for the better.TL;DR:
For me it wasn;t really a which person is the chillest decision, more like who and what will drive the country to prosperity.
Sorry, I'm too into this.
But I might consider joining their side with my Dunmer(a bit ironic, no?) because, why not
EDIT: Also, the previous Jarl of Riften was plops
Lewsean
Member
That's the beauty of it! A slight change in point of view and the decision can flip on it's head. I fight for the Stormcloaks because I beleive firmly in their cause, and it is something I would do in real life. Nobody is really wrong, it just depends entirely on how you choose to look at the situation.
After this I'm considering joining the stormcloacks, I think I haven't done so previously because all the propaganda from the Imperials and the bad-mouthing from Balgruuf since it was the only thing I could go by given I never did the Stormcloaks quest. And honestly, it's not that I like Tullius or Rikke or the Thalmor, but more like I didn't feel like it'd be fair for the other races living in Skyrim since Ulfric can barely rule Windhelm. I felt like deriving from what I saw in Windhelm, the poverty and segregation(the gray quarters and the Argonians residing in the docks outside the city), Ulfric was not fit to rule Skyrim. From what I saw there, I felt like Ulfric would drive Skyrim to just that, poverty and segregation. He did an awful job running his hold, how could he run a country! Plus, the Imperials do a good job of running Cyrodiil, and from what I see they've done an equally good job running Skyrim. After I completed the Imperial quest, when I visited the holds that were previously in Stormcloak custody and visited the halls where the Jarls reside, I was actually quite happy with my decision. The new appointed Jarl of Windhelm, Brunwulf Free-Winter, actually sought a better Windhelm by trying to end the segregation and poverty going on. He looked for the better of the people, as opposed to his own wealth. And when I visited Riften there really wasn't much change. The Maven Black-Brior became the appointed Jarl and judging by how wealthy and successful she is she might actually be good for Riften. She's also got some great connections too
TL;DR:
For me it wasn;t really a which person is the chillest decision, more like who and what will drive the country to prosperity.
Sorry, I'm too into this.
But I might consider joining their side with my Dunmer(a bit ironic, no?) because, why not
EDIT: Also, the previous Jarl of Riften was pl***
Zoblazo
Ur nan`s h0usecarl
That's the beauty of it! A slight change in point of view and the decision can flip on it's head. I fight for the Stormcloaks because I beleive firmly in their cause, and it is something I would do in real life. Nobody is really wrong, it just depends entirely on how you choose to look at the situation.
After this I'm considering joining the stormcloacks, I think I haven't done so previously because all the propaganda from the Imperials and the bad-mouthing from Balgruuf since it was the only thing I could go by given I never did the Stormcloaks quest. And honestly, it's not that I like Tullius or Rikke or the Thalmor, but more like I didn't feel like it'd be fair for the other races living in Skyrim since Ulfric can barely rule Windhelm. I felt like deriving from what I saw in Windhelm, the poverty and segregation(the gray quarters and the Argonians residing in the docks outside the city), Ulfric was not fit to rule Skyrim. From what I saw there, I felt like Ulfric would drive Skyrim to just that, poverty and segregation. He did an awful job running his hold, how could he run a country! Plus, the Imperials do a good job of running Cyrodiil, and from what I see they've done an equally good job running Skyrim. After I completed the Imperial quest, when I visited the holds that were previously in Stormcloak custody and visited the halls where the Jarls reside, I was actually quite happy with my decision. The new appointed Jarl of Windhelm, Brunwulf Free-Winter, actually sought a better Windhelm by trying to end the segregation and poverty going on. He looked for the better of the people, as opposed to his own wealth. And when I visited Riften there really wasn't much change. The Maven Black-Brior became the appointed Jarl and judging by how wealthy and successful she is she might actually be good for Riften. She's also got some great connections too
TL;DR:
For me it wasn;t really a which person is the chillest decision, more like who and what will drive the country to prosperity.
Sorry, I'm too into this.
But I might consider joining their side with my Dunmer(a bit ironic, no?) because, why not
EDIT: Also, the previous Jarl of Riften was pl***
True! Let's cross our fingers and hope I don't change my mind...AGAIN
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
I was making a joke, obviously one that went entirely over your head. At least others in the thread found it funny.
His battle speech at Whiterun, which you try to use to counter Rimefaxe's post. That is done by Galmar in the final release, so how does Ulfric giving the same speech in cut content even count?
Your argument was "They have it recorded, it was intended for use" which is contradicted since Galmar has it recorded, and is actually in use.
Desperate? No. I'm not the one using cut content restored by an unofficial Mod to make an argument. "But, but, I'd be right if Bethesda never cut this!"
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Stormcloak side is enjoyable. I haven't touched the Civil War for a long time, think I tried both sides twice.
But, I can't resist trying to keep you Imperial.
"From the Imperial City, our war here is just a sideshow. An interlude before the main event against the Thalmor resumes." - General Tullius
J
Jeremius
Guest
I can never get into the Civil War much anymore. I find both sides to be short-sighted and stupid. Why are you all fighting over something that if you unite against, you will get rid of it just as easily. Hot-headed blindness and pride are the reason you fight.
Zoblazo
Ur nan`s h0usecarl
Hmmm, it won't hurt to try being a stormcloak, however if you just as much as say a word to convince me to stay with the Imperials I most likely will. Wait don't! I wanna try being a stormcloak at least once so I can say I tried ;A;
Zoblazo
Ur nan`s h0usecarl
It is short-sighted and stupid, can't argue with that, but what war isn't
Plus, it's the most fun out of politics I'll ever personally get roflmao
J
Jeremius
Guest
It is short-sighted and stupid, can't argue with that, but what war isn't
I see no reason to get involved in the politics. But then again, I am on PC and use Live Another Life, which allows me to avoid the pathetic start of the game.
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
I know this may be a little off topic, but isn't Ulfic the son of the prior Jarl?
Zoblazo
Ur nan`s h0usecarl
It is short-sighted and stupid, can't argue with that, but what war isn't
I see no reason to get involved in the politics. But then again, I am on PC and use Live Another Life, which allows me to avoid the pathetic start of the game.
You see no reason to get involved with politics, I find it an interesting and exciting part of the game, we all have our reasons and opinions blah blah blah I personally like the civil war and all the stupidness and short-sightedness it comes with
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
After this I'm considering joining the stormcloacks, I think I haven't done so previously because all the propaganda from the Imperials and the bad-mouthing from Balgruuf since it was the only thing I could go by given I never did the Stormcloaks quest. And honestly, it's not that I like Tullius or Rikke or the Thalmor, but more like I didn't feel like it'd be fair for the other races living in Skyrim since Ulfric can barely rule Windhelm. I felt like deriving from what I saw in Windhelm, the poverty and segregation(the gray quarters and the Argonians residing in the docks outside the city), Ulfric was not fit to rule Skyrim. From what I saw there, I felt like Ulfric would drive Skyrim to just that, poverty and segregation. He did an awful job running his hold, how could he run a country! Plus, the Imperials do a good job of running Cyrodiil, and from what I see they've done an equally good job running Skyrim. After I completed the Imperial quest, when I visited the holds that were previously in Stormcloak custody and visited the halls where the Jarls reside, I was actually quite happy with my decision. The new appointed Jarl of Windhelm, Brunwulf Free-Winter, actually sought a better Windhelm by trying to end the segregation and poverty going on. He looked for the better of the people, as opposed to his own wealth. And when I visited Riften there really wasn't much change. The Maven Black-Brior became the appointed Jarl and judging by how wealthy and successful she is she might actually be good for Riften. She's also got some great connections too
TL;DR:
For me it wasn;t really a which person is the chillest decision, more like who and what will drive the country to prosperity.
Sorry, I'm too into this.
But I might consider joining their side with my Dunmer(a bit ironic, no?) because, why not
EDIT: Also, the previous Jarl of Riften was pl***
Is it Ulfric's fault that theirs poverty in his hold? Theirs poverty everywhere in Skyrim, not just in Windhelm. Is it his fault that a group of Dunmer's are messy, and incapable of keeping their homes clean and properly maintained? Sure theirs some issues going on in Windhelm, but Ulfric seems to be going a good job running his hold. People have jobs and are conducting daily businesses. That's good enough for me. When the people make money and are working that's a sign of success from the Jarl who is ruling the hold. As far with the situation with the Argonians... as bad as it may seem... they don't have it all that bad. Did you ever explore inside of the Argonian Assemblage lately? They have beds to sleep in and a large fireplace to keep warm, and to cook their foods.
An addition they have the best damn security that's available to them because in order to break in you must be a master expert in lock picking.
Don't take what Brunwulf Free-Winter says to be serious. He personally slams Ulfric but doesn't mind going to the palace of the kings to fest on the free food that's laying on the large table next to Ulfric's throne. Never in my 1,703 recorded hrs of playing Skyrim have I ever seen this man buying a drink from the New Gnisis Cornerclub. He is always seen in the Candlehearth Hall.
By the way Dunmer's and the Argonians typically don't get along with each other considering the fact that the Dunmers once used the Argonians as their personal slaves in Morrowind... and like so many Dunmers in Windhelm many of them migrated to Windhelm from morrowind. You can move but the tradition and culture is still there.
By the way Maven and the silver bloods are terrible group of people. Both make their supported sides look bad.
Zoblazo
Ur nan`s h0usecarl
After this I'm considering joining the stormcloacks, I think I haven't done so previously because all the propaganda from the Imperials and the bad-mouthing from Balgruuf since it was the only thing I could go by given I never did the Stormcloaks quest. And honestly, it's not that I like Tullius or Rikke or the Thalmor, but more like I didn't feel like it'd be fair for the other races living in Skyrim since Ulfric can barely rule Windhelm. I felt like deriving from what I saw in Windhelm, the poverty and segregation(the gray quarters and the Argonians residing in the docks outside the city), Ulfric was not fit to rule Skyrim. From what I saw there, I felt like Ulfric would drive Skyrim to just that, poverty and segregation. He did an awful job running his hold, how could he run a country! Plus, the Imperials do a good job of running Cyrodiil, and from what I see they've done an equally good job running Skyrim. After I completed the Imperial quest, when I visited the holds that were previously in Stormcloak custody and visited the halls where the Jarls reside, I was actually quite happy with my decision. The new appointed Jarl of Windhelm, Brunwulf Free-Winter, actually sought a better Windhelm by trying to end the segregation and poverty going on. He looked for the better of the people, as opposed to his own wealth. And when I visited Riften there really wasn't much change. The Maven Black-Brior became the appointed Jarl and judging by how wealthy and successful she is she might actually be good for Riften. She's also got some great connections too
TL;DR:
For me it wasn;t really a which person is the chillest decision, more like who and what will drive the country to prosperity.
Sorry, I'm too into this.
But I might consider joining their side with my Dunmer(a bit ironic, no?) because, why not
EDIT: Also, the previous Jarl of Riften was pl***
Is it Ulfric's fault that theirs poverty in his hold? Theirs poverty everywhere in Skyrim, not just in Windhelm. Is it his fault that a group of Dunmer's are messy, and incapable of keeping their homes clean and properly maintained? Sure theirs some issues going on in Windhelm, but Ulfric seems to be going a good job running his hold. People have jobs and are conducting daily businesses. That's good enough for me. When the people make money and are working that's a sign of success from the Jarl who is ruling the hold. As far with the situation with the Argonians... as bad as it may seem... they don't have it all that bad. Did you ever explore inside of the Argonian Assemblage lately? They have beds to sleep in and a large fireplace to keep warm, and to cook their foods.
An addition they have the best damn security that's available to them because in order to break in you must be a master expert in lock picking.
Don't take what Brunwulf Free-Winter says to be serious. He personally slams Ulfric but doesn't mind going to the palace of the kings to fest on the free food that's laying on the large table next to Ulfric's throne. Never in my 1,703 recorded hrs of playing Skyrim have I ever seen this man buying a drink from the New Gnisis Cornerclub. He is always seen in the Candlehearth Hall.
By the way Dunmer's and the Argonians typically don't get along with each other considering the fact that the Dunmers once used the Argonians as their personal slaves in Morrowind... and like so many Dunmers in Windhelm many of them migrated to Windhelm from morrowind. You can move but the tradition and culture is still there.
By the way Maven and the silver bloods are terrible group of people. Both make their supported sides look bad.
Uhm, are you aware of what the Gray Quarters previously were? Have you ever bothered to talk to the residents of the Gray Quarters? They live in what used to be the Snow Quarters before Ulfric shoved them all in there when they fled to Skyrim to seek refuge after the Red Mountain incident in Morrowind. The name itself is insulting, it's like throwing African-Americans in there and calling them the Black Quarters. The Dunmers aren't given much to work with given they're shunned from going anywhere outside the ghettos. And Ulfric is just awful, even after they spoke against the racism and unfairness they were dealing with and he just turned a blind eye on their plight and deemed them as petty. Although the Argonians and the Dunmers have had their conflicts, this isn't the reason why they don't live together. The Argonians are just strictly prohibited to enter the city. Why? Because Ulfric is just plain xenophobic and racist. They're forced to live out in the docks. They live together in other holds, is that reason you stated really a good reason? This is why I say he can barely run his hold, he shoves aside the problem of any other race that isn't Nord, and given Skyrim is pretty diverse imagine the Gray Quarters x 3098748034 if he ever took over. And truthfully speaking, the only real reasons why other holds are even close to being poor is caused by natural disasters and negative results from the Civil War. Take Winterhold for example, it was just as prosperous and populated as Solitude, but after the Great Collapse it went downhill. Riften went downhill because the Civil War caused the hold to fall into poverty due to the lack of trade. What true disaster happened in Windhelm? Nothing. The real reason Windhelm is in such a state is because Ulfric does just that...nothing. He just sits there and complains about the Thalmor without real reason besides his outrage on the ban of the worship of Talos. How is Windhelm poor, you ask? After beating the Stormcloaks out of Windhelm, Brunwulf Free-Winter is appointed as the new Jarl and if you to speak to him he says "Unfortunately, a sword can't repair damaged buildings, feed hungry people or undo years of prejudice."
And yes, Maven is a bitch and all, but deriving from her prosperous demeanor and drive to be the best in all of Skyrim, I'm sure she can improve things in Riften.
And as I said, the only reason I even took Brunwulf Free-Winter's words seriously was because I didn't really have much to work with on choosing sides, and given the majority of Skyrim basically bad-mouthed Ulfric I just went with popular opinion, and I don't regret it. Although I believe in the Stormcloak soldiers mindset, I don't believe in Ulfric. His reasons as to why he wants to clear the Imperials out of Skyrim when they've been there for decades weren't very convincing, it felt more like it was for his own selfish wish to be High King.
And there are master expert locks in all of Skyrim, not just Windhelm.
Woops, sorry for the essay
Raijin
A Mage that loves a Templar
Zoblazo I've spent large sums of time engaging in dialogue with the Dunmers of Windhelm, and let me tell you something... My opinions of them with an exception of 1 Dunmer isn't all that great. They seem to share a common trait of their ancestors, the Altmer. They think so highly of themselves that they think that everyone owes them.
They expect to be treated as equal yet refuse to share sympathy of other races but their own.
then we have http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dunmer_of_Skyrim
and finally this http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Scourge_of_the_Gray_Quarter
Blaming the Civil war on Riftens poverty level is ridiculous. It is like that because of high crime rate. Who wants to do business to a city that is full of thieves and murderers? Oh and who wants to open up a market when you have Maven to deal with? So many corruption going on.
They expect to be treated as equal yet refuse to share sympathy of other races but their own.
then we have http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dunmer_of_Skyrim
and finally this http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Scourge_of_the_Gray_Quarter
Blaming the Civil war on Riftens poverty level is ridiculous. It is like that because of high crime rate. Who wants to do business to a city that is full of thieves and murderers? Oh and who wants to open up a market when you have Maven to deal with? So many corruption going on.
