I'm having like four different debates, Lol.
Yes I know the Legion is racialy diverse, but you said there isn't a legion in Skyrim it's just auxilleries, if that was the case then Bethesda would've made them all Nords.
They mostly are, they're locally recruited Militia. Even Rikke calls them Militia. Many of them speak of joining recently.
In the mean while Giants are terrorizing farmers and bullying them. Forcing farmers to give them cattle in exchange for them not to bothering them. They can be very problematic that can warrant a bounty from EACH hold, and not just the Pale.
"The cow, of course. Others do it differently, but I've found that an annual offering usually keeps the giants away from our livestock. Some think it's superstition, but I believe it works. I've yet to have a giant kill any of my livestock."
Giants have their own language and have the ability to trade with people, evident of a note (Telling people not to trade with a certain giant) and when you sold a giant someone's goat.
The painted cows is actually a reference to something written by MK.
eventually we learned that if we left stuff out for the Giants, and painted this stuff brightly and with swirls (they love swirls) and stuck big signs up pointing to it all, they would simply take THAT stuff and not anything else and no fighting would be have to be done (not that what I have described was really fighting-- no one fights the Giants is the point). And that explains the Painting The Cows tradition, for as lazily-smiled as they are, so much that they seem that they wouldn't hurt a soul (ha!), the Giants eat meat and lots of it.
They get bounties if they've killed people or threaten travelers. Most times Giants are quite peaceful herding their animals. They can be reasoned with, and Mages could probably speak to them.
It's the first step in invading
Guess who's protecting the Thalmor from getting attacked by the Stormcloaks?
The Thalmor? Legion wouldn't lift a finger to save Thalmor. In fact they will attack Thalmor Execution teams.
I don't think it was a show nor thought it was an act of sarcasm. These Nobles strength is not picking up a sword and fight but rather have a unique strength and skill to make money, and to become who they are. The Thalmor are a wealthy faction. They're also very powerful indeed. Why do you think Maven is embraces them?
Maven doesn't care, they leave each other alone. Others don't like them, besides maybe Maven who has mutual respect and possible that idiot Jarl in Falkreath who likes wealthy parties.
Rest of the Jarls don't like them, Tullius hates them.
Where does it say in the data "Doesn't believe a word of it?" Please elaborate it.
Think it was with Erikur who mentions about lasting peace between the Thalmor and Empire.
"Look around the room and you'll see what we're up against. Just between you and me, a lot of what Ulfric says about the Empire is true."- General Tullius
"That's General Tullius himself. He can't stand Elenwen, but she insists that he attend these parties. Just to piss him off, no doubt." - Maven
Do you honestly expect the 2 last remaining of the blades to hide inside of the fortress for ever? They need to go out and recruit more members to join their organization to regain back their power and strength., not to mention bringing back food and other surviving tools. Unless if Delphine or Esbern has a mutual relationship with the forsworn, they also have them to deal with as they have encampments set up right outside from the fortress.
Delphine has been able to survive for thirty years, they get some recruits. But they're no longer doing things against the Thalmor, they've gone back to being Dragonguard. They just care about killing Dragons now.
The Blades are not against the Greybeards but respectfully disagree with their practice.
You kill their leader and earn the lasting hatred of the Greybeards. I would call that being against each other, they don't have good things to say about one another.
I hate the Blades with a passion, but I am obligated to agree with them regarding to the Greybeard situation considering the fact that Arngeir didn't seem to have a care in the world that people below him were being slaughtered by Alduin. In fact he was giving the Dragonborn a hard time, and keeping secrets from that can be used to stop Alduin.
The Greybeards can't stop Alduin, they don't even have the right Thu'um. They don't hand you power instantly because when you don't earn it, you abuse it. They mention it has been the downfall of past Dragonborns.
They are there to merely guide you. Though they do end up getting involved in the Civil War, and they agree that change must also come to the Greybeards. The Blades aren't changing.
I don't see you rage quitting this thread. You're as obsessive of this thread as I am. You can try, but your blood brings you back here.
Stupidity brings me back, and anytime someone quotes me. I just
have to respond.
Like I said before they're in Skyrim because the Empire wasn't enforcing the ban of Talos. The Thalmor has Justiciars that's specifically for hunting down Talos worshipers.
The Justiciars are in Skyrim as part of the White-Gold Concordat, they arrived and caused the Markarth Incident. The Empire upholds the treaty, to be arrested for Talos worship you need evidence.
Their increased presence has nothing to do with the rebellion. For as long as the Empire holds their part of the bargain, and not violate the White-Gold Concordat like they did the last time the Thalmor is going to stay out of the civil war between the Stormcloaks and the Imperials.
You're taking the word of the Thalmor? Their increased presence has everything to do with the rebllion. They're stirring up trouble, doing their inquisition which sends supporters flocking towards Ulfric Stormcloak. They're indirectly aiding the Stormcloaks, from trying to keep him alive and sending supporters to him.
What planted the seed for Ulfric's uprising was the birth of the White-Gold Concordat. Say thank you to your precious Empire for that.
Well it seems Titus II is thanked for that, but he gets killed. Given the dialogue of a second war coming, it seems the White-Gold Concordat will be going bye bye.
It also helps if you actually read the page you're citing: "Although Jarl
Igmund claimed that the leaders of the Uprising refused their offers of peace,
according to Arrianus no such offer was ever made, as Ulfric Stormcloak not only had anyone associated with the Forsworn executed after they surrendered, but also had anyone else executed without regard to race, age or gender if they had failed to assist the Nord militia in its campaign against the Forsworn."
Which we know that people were executed for being associated with the Forsworn Uprising.
Were innocent Nords executed? Do we have any volumes of people that don't have obvious Biases on the account? Biased people tend to have Biased opinions or Biased facts, they take one side of the story without really looking into it, clearly what Arianus did in the "Bear of Markarth". He Clearly took the Reachman side and stuck with it, and yet you argue for him. We know Nords wouldn't be in Markarth because the Reachmen clearly hated the Nords and would have had all of them executed or imprisoned. Yet you continue to argue otherwise.
Do you have anything that says they weren't? Anything that contradicts what happened? Someone saying "It didn't happen!" or another book stating the Bear of Markarth is just plain lies?
No you don't, yet you continue to argue so. Notice how on UESP the Bear of Markarth is under historical in books by subject. Why? Because no matter personal feeling, there is nothing that counters what is being said. Welcome to how lore is processed and accepted.
You don't know if Nords weren't still in Markarth, that is your own little assumption. The Reachmen aren't all against Nords, the Forsworn now are. The Reachmen have always had a higher population in Markarth. Nords weren't that many, and the book states only the cruelest of landowners were killed.
And there you go again proving Ulfric didn't have every official associated with the Reachmen killed and once again proving that The Bear of Markarth is wrong. Need I remind you that Braig says his only crime was speaking to Madanach once but then goes on to say that his only regret is "not killing more Nords before I was locked up". So the man isn't reliable.
Braig's daughter was killed in his place, then he was thrown in jail. This was years later, the Nords must have been investigating it (Probably around the time Jarl Hrolfdir was killed by Forsworn).
Madanach has been in prison the longest, Braig who arrived later has been there the second longest. Notice how there is a gap, if these executions never took place Madanach wouldn't be the longest serving prisoner, he'd have some of his buddies.
What I meant was the elder council that accepted Titus was likely made of the same members as the one from the last few Septims, unless Thules completely cleaned house.
Can you say with a straight face that you'd rather live in the times of the Medes over the Septims?
Stormcloaks don't practice slavery. It might seem like its heading in that direction, but come on. The last time nords used slavery was on snow elves, and they kinda deserved it. Stormcloak don't come off as the warm and cuddly sort but they still have ethics.
Tiber and Barenziah aren't really relevant here.
Ulfrics no idiot, they aren't hopping on the first ship to Summerset after Tullius is dead. What he said was a spur of the moment kind of thing. He'll evaluate the army and they may not go for a long time. I know what you say about the thalmor's strength being espionage, but you can't assassinate the whole Nord populace. Assassinations would just ignite the nords, and after all the espionage eventually the elves will have to invade.
Also the thalmor's goal is to rule tamriel no? Including hammerfell? So why can't the nords and redguards join forces. The war they fought was centuries ago, and bosmer fought the Altmer and khajiit at almost the exact same time and they're all good now. Redguards know the thalmor aren't done, and skyrim is by far the most logical partner.
Maybe a handful of members, but the Elder Council fractured.
I would rather live under the Medes than Septims. The Septim's had far too many problems, and only a few good Emperors. The Mede Dynasty has done very well, and there wouldn't be an Empire without them.
If the Stormcloaks take the Reach, Thongvor will replace Igmund as Jarl. When Markarth is under his control, unlike Jarl Igmund, who uses caution when dealing with the Forsworn, Thongvor reveals that his intention as Jarl is to violently suppress and enslave the rebelling dissidents by sending them to Cidhna Mine as reparation for the rebellion. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thongvor_Silver-Blood
Espionage doesn't just involve assassination... The Thalmor have been known to fund bandits, the Forsworn would be their pick. Because they're like the insurgents the Thalmor funded in Cyrodiil, they would cut the heads off people they killed and take it.
Besides, if they killed Ulfric, the Nords would have a hard time picking a new High King.
Espionage is the main warfare of the Fourth Era. Stormcloaks lack any ability for that, and are easy pickings.
Same could be said for Hammerfell and the Empire settling their problems. Skyrim is weak, ravaged by Civil War and dragons. The Redguards of Hammerfell have never once sided with the Nords in anything. If they were to side together, I would be surprised.
The Thalmor's goal is questionable. They may want Tamriel, or they may want Cyrodiil and figure out how to destroy the world. The Empire is in a far better position than an isolated and alone Skyrim, the Legions are already in position. What is holding them back is bureaucratic politics, Titus II isn't doing anything.
Even Tullius knows that there are enough soldiers in Cyrodiil for him to effectively eliminate the rebellion, but the Emperor won't send him the reinforcements he's requested.