Lewsean
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But Balgruuf specifically states using Tullius' legions instead of his own warriors to fight Ulfric, and the legion, according to the wiki, is mostly made up of Imperials with the few nords coming from, like you said, recent local recruiting. Going by this information I'd say that killing the Stormcloaks and Ulfric is more benefitial to Alduin than fighting the Empire.
Not exactly, the Imperial Legion isn't mostly just Imperials. The Nords of Skyrim make up thousands in the Legions, which they have long been considered the strong arm of the Empire.
The Legion in Skyrim are Auxiliaries, local recruited militia. The forces in Skyrim would be majority Nordic.
No they aren't. Most Nords from the Legion are now Stormcloaks, and Tullius' Legion is from Cyrodill. Balgruuf confirms this during the battle for Whiterun.
People make the mistake of looking at this debate the wrong way. If the Empire is all high and mighty, why are they wasting resources trying to quell a rebellion caused by their own cowardice rather than appealing with the people who's lives they are playing with?
Cowardice? The Empire was nearly destroyed, it isn't just soldiers one has to consider. There are the thousands of innocent civilians people have to take into account. The White-Gold Concordat isn't the best thing, but Titus II felt it was needed to secure peace and rebuild for the next round of fighting.
The Thalmor are against everything the Empire stands for, they want to weaken the Empire as much as they can. Ulfric's rebellion is about Ulfric. Two of his own Jarls can see he's after the throne and he's selfish.
Ulfric wouldn't have a rebellion if the people didn't believe the same thing he did, the whole thing started by his people DEMANDING blood and revenege, not him demanding people fight.
All this poor talk of the Empire and how stretched they are and how they're doing everything to keep the Thalmor out of Skyrim, yet they willingly allow citizens of the Empire to be taken and tortured without doing a SINGLE thing to stop it, how do you expect to gain the support and trust of a people you willingly allow to be kidnapped and tortured?
They're keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim, blocking an inading army. The Legion is stretched thin, they're all in Cyrodiil. Few garrisons remain outside of Cyrodiil. The citizens being taken is bad, you're right about that. But, what about the bandit issue?
Ulfric's rebellion has allowed bandits to gain a huge foot hold. They're killing citizens, raiding farms, robbing what little merchant traffic passes through Skyrim. The Thalmor problem is ironically smaller than the bandit issue that came from Ulfric's actions. In response to one issue, they created a new issue that is even worse.
What about the Jarl of Falkreath? In the pocket of the Empire and he's got dealings with bandits rofl, how do you suppose Ulfric addresses that issue? Riften is Imperial territory and is owned by Thieves, the Reach is Imperial teritory and is being covertly controlled by Forsworn.
They're in it for them selves only, the only reason they care about Skyrim is strategic and financial gain..
Actually the Empire was ignoring Skyrim, they weren't very active prior to Ulfric's rebellion. They were dealing with issues in Cyrodiil. The Legion stepped in because Ulfric had killed the High King and the country was thrown into chaos.
There are also many citizens within Skyrim that want to remain part of the Empire.
You've said it your self, dealing with issues in Cyrodill whilst the Thalmor run riot abducting it's citizens and being tortured. Tullius even specficially states that he wants the investigation into Throald's disappearance stopped because he's being held in a Thalmor fort. They don't care about the people of Skyrim, that much is obvious. If we go by your logic, then what did the people of Skyrim die for? For the Emperor to just ignore them to secure his own fate? Tell me how that is morally right.
If Skyrim had nothing to offer, it would of been abandoned during the war with the rest of Tamriel, simply because it didn't effect the privileged few in Cyrodill
Skyrim was abandoned during the war, it is mentioned the Empire turned a blind eye to everything else when it was invaded. Skyrim does have nothing to offer, the country is plagued with Dragons and every Hold is poor due to the Civil War. Tullius has to tax trading vessels to get enough money for the war effort.
What is Skyrim offering at the moment?
Strategic positioning and rich silver mines. The holds aren't poor because of the war, every pro empire jarl is bathing in gold.
a Cyrodill that wouldn't be standing if it weren't for General Jonna and his Nord legion.
What? It wasn't just the Nord Legions (General Jonna was holding position to cut off Aldmeri retreat) Imperials, Nords and Bretons are credited with saving the Empire.
If anything, Titus II and General Decianus did the most during the Great War.
If not for the Nord Legion, the attack would've failed and tha Thalmor would've escaped.
The only Nation that stayed true to the Empire were royally fluffed over. It all boils down to a proud warrior race having there traditions and customs abolished by a tyrannical government, only to be labeled traitors and be hunted for wanting to live there life the way they always have.
Only Nation? What about High Rock, they're still loyal to the Empire. As for tyrannical government? Are you somehow forgetting Ulfric is doing a Military coup? The Empire isn't abolishing traditions and customs of Skyrim. The worship of Talos was ignored and wasn't even properly banned until Ulfric started making a scene.
With us or against us, that isn't tyrannical at all.
Still loyal yet in contact with Ulfric. It's not a millitary coup at all, it's a group of people in their own country fighting for what they believe in. Aboloshing traditions is exactly what they're doing, else Ulfric wouldn't be a murderer & Talos wouldn't be banned and his worship punishable by kidnap and torture/death. (Supported by the Empire that the people are supposed to obey? Perfect example of a Tyranny, "Do what we say, or die")
The 'murder' of the high king was justified within their own laws and customs, but because it effects the Empire and there hold over Skyrim they totally ignore it and class Ulfric as a murderer. I see no reason for the Empire to even exist at this point, every action they take is a benefit to the Thalmor.
The killing of High King Torygg wasn't justified by Imperial Law, which Skyrim has followed for at least 600 years.
"Most of the Legion is tied down on the border with the Aldmeri Dominion. The Emperor can't afford to risk weakening Cyrodiil's defenses. From the Imperial City, our war here is just a sideshow. An interlude before the main event against the Thalmor resumes."
Yeah, I can see preparing for war against the Aldmeri Dominion must be a real benefit. Ulfric's entire rebellion benefitted the Thalmor, they're indirectly aiding the Stormcloaks.
I don't see a reason for the Stormcloaks to exist, they're too ignorant to even realize the Thalmor are playing them.
The killing was completely within the laws of Skyrim, Toyrgg wouldn't have accepted anything knowing it was an illegal act, he knew full well Ulfric had every right to challenge Toyrgg's rule, fight or refuse, he wouldn't have been high king the moment Ulfric challenged him. Imperials killing Stormcloaks is more benfitial to Alduin, this is all but guranteed. You do realise a war is fought by two sides, you can't call the Stormcloaks ignorant whilst condoning the very same actions of the Empire, please tell me how smart they are seeing as they would rather fight a civil war than end it and fight the real enemies (Who Ulfric and EVERYBODY admits to be the Thalmor once the pesky Empire problem is dealt with)
Sorry about the bad format, IDK how to arange it like you did
