Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

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Isara

Verbum Sapienti Satis
Quite honestly, I think the civil war is a choice of two bad choices. Elisif is not a Jarl in the normal sense of the word, but a diplomat. Ulfric is a soldier holding onto the position he is not fit for as convenience.


I agree with this. Like any political situation, both sides have their good points & both sides have their weaknesses/shortcomings. Thus far, I've always joined with the Stormcloaks because it seemed to make more sense in my character's story (the Imperials choosing to execute me for no reason), however there are things about the Stormcloaks I do not agree with. I'm interested in joining up with the Imperials in one playthrough just to see what it's like.
 

tyrannocopters

New Member
Empire, definitely. The benefits of siding with the Empire far outweigh the negatives. It is the mutual relationship that makes it such a good decision. Those in the south rest easy knowing that their northern border is guarded by the toughest warriors in Tamriel. While Skyrim benefits from the trade the southern provinces offer. Over all, the Empire needs Skyrim and Skyrim needs the Empire.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
I use to like Aela until recently. I find her repulsive now. Her and Skjor are the perfect match made in oblivion. They're both pathetic creatures who don't deserve to be affiliated with the Companions.

Mjoll has far better class than Aela, and shes a better
Well I like Aela because she has a fighting spirit, an open mind, she's intelligent, and, erm well, those boobies are outstanding, have you seen them?

However Mjoll is adventurous, kind spirited and a real Nord and, uh, she likes to play rough, if you know what I mean. I mean they both do but Mjoll is something else

Overall they're both great in their own ways and Skjor's dead.
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
I use to like Aela until recently. I find her repulsive now. Her and Skjor are the perfect match made in oblivion. They're both pathetic creatures who don't deserve to be affiliated with the Companions.

Mjoll has far better class than Aela, and shes a better
Well I like Aela because she has a fighting spirit, an open mind, she's intelligent, and, erm well, those boobies are outstanding, have you seen them?

However Mjoll is adventurous, kind spirited and a real Nord and, uh, she likes to play rough, if you know what I mean. I mean they both do but Mjoll is something else

Overall they're both great in their own ways and Skjor's dead.

Unless if you love furry boobies I wouldn't touch her with a 50 foot pole.

Aela is an embarrassment to be part of the legendary Companions, and to call herself a Nord. Farkas and Vilkas are far more intelligent then her, and their both dumb as an ox. At least they realize that Kodlak was in the right while Aela mocks him behind his back. She doesn't realize that the beast blood inside her is nearly taking control of her therefor having such strong hunting instinct. Instead of being the protector of Whiterun she puts an immediate danger to the people. She became corrupted by Hircine.

Mjoll is in fact a true Nord... and a respectful one too. Too bad she could not become Jarl of Riften.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
To put it in a short perception the Dunmer people had created an unhealthy and overwhelming dependence of the Empire to the point where they were nearly defenseless during the Oblivion crises after the Imperial legion pulled their forces out of Morrowind to deal with their own set of problems in Cyrodiil. They had zero army of their own at the time. Should I blame the Empire for doing what they did? Absolutely not! But the Empire did created this unhealthy habit of dependence which can lead to far more problems down the road.

It isn't a simple matter of dependence, many provinces in the Empire had their own armies. Morrowind's lack of any standing army, is their own doing. The other provinces didn't have that problem under the Empire.

But, I don't fault the Empire for pulling their forces out. Cyrodiil at the time didn't have a large Legion presence, in fact a few Counts were upset because they felt the Elder Council was protecting the other provinces more than the capital. Anyone who has played Oblivion will know that the Legion had a little role, due to them being elsewhere.

Besides, Oblivion Crisis was a mess. Some gates opened right smack in the middle of Legion garrisons, high casualties.
 

Mikulas Black-Blade

The Cave Bear
Unless if you love furry boobies I wouldn't touch her with a 50 foot pole.
Hey, they're only furry sometimes. And either way I say eh, whatever to each their own.

Aela is an embarrassment to be part of the legendary Companions, and to call herself a Nord.
I think not: "My mother was a Companion. And her mother. And all the women in my family, back to *Hrotti Blackblade. I stayed with my father in the woods until I was old enough for my Trial. We hunted everything there was to hunt. Good training. Ma didn't live long enough to see me join, but I fight to honor her and all my Shield-Sisters through time."
*No Relation. That would just be weird.

Farkas and Vilkas are far more intelligent then her, and their both dumb as an ox.
I disagree entirely. Farkas is the dumb, kindhearted one if a bit physically imposing. He is literally Lennie from Of Mice and Men, there's even an entry in his whelp Evaluation that talks about bunnies being cute "Tell me about the rabbits, George". Whilst on the other hand, Vilkas is the smart one of the group, knowing all of the companions history and just being generally smart. even with this in mind Aela is smarter than both of them, if a bit opinionated.

At least they realize that Kodlak was in the right while Aela mocks him behind his back.
Well thats really a matter of opinion on who's right. The whole Beastblood thing does have its advantages, and to Aela the good outways the bad. Also, Aela respects Kodlak's opinions and Kodlak in general, but she believes she is trying to take away the gift of Beast Blood from future companions in his quest for Sovngarde.

She doesn't realize that the beast blood inside her is nearly taking control of her therefor having such strong hunting instinct. Instead of being the protector of Whiterun she puts an immediate danger to the people. She became corrupted by Hircine.
The Beast blood is not in control of her. quite the opposite actually. She has always had a long history of hunting with her Da, in the woods. to her the Beast Blood is an amazing surge to her primal instincts. Plus its hot as plops. I hope she comes out of it in time to head to Sovngarde, but even if she doesn't I still have Mjoll.

Mjoll is in fact a true Nord... and a respectful one too. Too bad she could not become Jarl of Riften.[/quote]
 

BigBad

Person of Interest
Mjoll is cool, but don't forget that her great crusade against the Thieves Guild is so ineffective that the members completely ignore her presence and operate basically out in the open. Aela is at least effective when she's trying to wipe out a faction, as the Silver Hand learned.
 

Raijin

A Mage that loves a Templar
Hey, they're only furry sometimes. And either way I say eh, whatever to each their own.

brian-pukes-o.gif


Even Brian finds the very idea of it to be repulsive.

I think not:"My mother was a Companion. And her mother. And all the women in my family, back to *Hrotti Blackblade. I stayed with my father in the woods until I was old enough for my Trial. We hunted everything there was to hunt. Good training. Ma didn't live long enough to see me join, but I fight to honor her and all my Shield-Sisters through time."
*No Relation. That would just be weird.

Very touchy background, but still doesn't make her an honorable companion. I don't think Ysgramor would approve of her embracing a disease that was invented by a Daedric princes.

Well thats really a matter of opinion on who's right. The whole Beastblood thing does have its advantages, and to Aela the good outways the bad. Also, Aela respects Kodlak's opinions and Kodlak in general, but she believes she is trying to take away the gift of Beast Blood from future companions in his quest for Sovngarde.

The Beast blood is not in control of her. quite the opposite actually. She has always had a long history of hunting with her Da, in the woods. to her the Beast Blood is an amazing surge to her primal instincts. Plus its hot as pl***. I hope she comes out of it in time to head to Sovngarde, but even if she doesn't I still have Mjoll.

Not really much of an opinion. The fact to the matter is that the leader of the companions is no other than Ysgramor, and hes not a werewolf. I don't think he had ever wanted his hard work to go down the toilet by letting it get infected by daedra influence, and that is exactly what happen when one of his Harbingers, Terrfyg , tarnished the very concept of the companions by making a deal with the glenmore witches. Historical point of view Ysgramor and his 500 companions prevented the snow elves from gaining such great magical artifact in Saarthal. I can't see him agreeing with the worship of the beast blood to gain advantage. It goes against what the Companions are suppose to be.

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000ae905

"If he's worried about some mead-swilling afterlife in Sovngarde, he's free to pursue it. I'll take the glories of the hunt right here." <~~~ doesn't sound like a true member of the companions but someone who has a bad attitude.

What does it mean to be a Companion?
http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000ae905

"We try to uphold the legacy of Ysgramor. To bear his good name such that it never be forgotten, and always be spoken with reverence." - Vilkas

I suppose I should take back my dumb comment regarding to Vilkas and farkus. Aela and Skor deserves such title since they're blind and heavily corrupted by the influences of the beast blood.

The dialogue after Vilkas is cured.
http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000e3049\
"I can breathe more deeply now. I can't smell your heart beating the way I used to. But my mind is... clear."

and

"Now... I'd like to spend some time communing with Ysgramor. My soul is clean now. Perhaps he'll still welcome me when my time comes."
 

Domino

Member
I love how this thread has mostly devolved into whether Mjoll is better than Aela. Guys, if you must discuss this, then make a thread for it. Don't clutter up this one with this pointless debate.



Anywho...I would personally shack up with the Imperials, despite their penchant for unjustly imprisoning and executing citizens and their relationship with the Aldmeri Dominion. A main argument I've noticed with the whole Stormcloak v. Empire thread is the whole racism debate. While this is assuredly a deciding factor in which faction you choose, I've decided to skip that and get to the main point.

While I do think the Stormcloaks' intentions are good, I think they're a little short-sighted on the whole issue. Yes, freedom from what they think is an oppressive country is certainly nice and well within their rights as citizens of Skyrim, they fail to think of the long-term effects it will have on them and the Empire. If Skyrim became independent and cut ties with the Empire, they would run into some serious economic issues as the only ones they could really trade with are the Aldmeri Dominion, which definitely isn't going to happen, or the Akaviri, also highly unlikely. So now they have no money, no trade, and thus, no future. Thy would either collapse, be forced back into the Empire, or even both.

Another issue is what will happen to the Empire itself should they split. They would now be deprived of some of their best fighters and would also be weakened economically as they try to cope with the loss of land, power, and money coming from the province. This would make an already weakened Empire weaker and the Aldmeri Dominion may take that as a sign to invade once more. The Empire would be powerless to stop it, because as stated before, they would be too busy trying to cope with the loss of Skyrim. And so, after centuries of being in power, the glorious Empire that Tiber Septim built would be no more. And that, is why I sided with the Imperials.

Side note: This whole explanation really shows how much time I have on my hands...
 
J

Jeremius

Guest
Hey, they're only furry sometimes. And either way I say eh, whatever to each their own.

brian-pukes-o.gif


Even Brian finds the very idea of it to be repulsive.

I think not:"My mother was a Companion. And her mother. And all the women in my family, back to *Hrotti Blackblade. I stayed with my father in the woods until I was old enough for my Trial. We hunted everything there was to hunt. Good training. Ma didn't live long enough to see me join, but I fight to honor her and all my Shield-Sisters through time."
*No Relation. That would just be weird.

Very touchy background, but still doesn't make her an honorable companion. I don't think Ysgramor would approve of her embracing a disease that was invented by a Daedric princes.

Well thats really a matter of opinion on who's right. The whole Beastblood thing does have its advantages, and to Aela the good outways the bad. Also, Aela respects Kodlak's opinions and Kodlak in general, but she believes she is trying to take away the gift of Beast Blood from future companions in his quest for Sovngarde.

The Beast blood is not in control of her. quite the opposite actually. She has always had a long history of hunting with her Da, in the woods. to her the Beast Blood is an amazing surge to her primal instincts. Plus its hot as pl***. I hope she comes out of it in time to head to Sovngarde, but even if she doesn't I still have Mjoll.

Not really much of an opinion. The fact to the matter is that the leader of the companions is no other than Ysgramor, and hes not a werewolf. I don't think he had ever wanted his hard work to go down the toilet by letting it get infected by daedra influence, and that is exactly what happen when one of his Harbingers, Terrfyg , tarnished the very concept of the companions by making a deal with the glenmore witches. Historical point of view Ysgramor and his 500 companions prevented the snow elves from gaining such great magical artifact in Saarthal. I can't see him agreeing with the worship of the beast blood to gain advantage. It goes against what the Companions are suppose to be.

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000ae905

"If he's worried about some mead-swilling afterlife in Sovngarde, he's free to pursue it. I'll take the glories of the hunt right here." <~~~ doesn't sound like a true member of the companions but someone who has a bad attitude.

What does it mean to be a Companion?
http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000ae905

"We try to uphold the legacy of Ysgramor. To bear his good name such that it never be forgotten, and always be spoken with reverence." - Vilkas

I suppose I should take back my dumb comment regarding to Vilkas and farkus. Aela and Skor deserves such title since they're blind and heavily corrupted by the influences of the beast blood.

The dialogue after Vilkas is cured.
http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000e3049\
"I can breathe more deeply now. I can't smell your heart beating the way I used to. But my mind is... clear."

and

"Now... I'd like to spend some time communing with Ysgramor. My soul is clean now. Perhaps he'll still welcome me when my time comes."
This is off-topic. Best to drop it or take it to another thread.
 
I agree with the Stormcloaks, but I feel like they're trying to achieve their cause the wrong way, and definitely at the wrong time. That said, I just have to side with the Imperials, despite my dislike of its current status (internal problems to the point where the Elder Council plots assassinations on Titus Mede II, along with external problems (i.e unable to keep almost any alliances, and having their current allies worrisome of betrayal)). It's just better in the long run when regarding the Thalmor.
 

Hewweh

New Member
Apparently one of the head thalmor people head ulfric captive for awhile and as soon as he got out get began the rebellion. I think it was a pretty dick move when general tullius brought that exactly person to the peace council.
 

Rimfaxe96

Well-Known Member
Apparently one of the head thalmor people head ulfric captive for awhile and as soon as he got out get began the rebellion. I think it was a pretty dick move when general tullius brought that exactly person to the peace council.

And how should General Tullius know that he was tortured by Elenwen personally? He probably doesn't even know he was captured during the Great War; they didn't exactly document all casualties/people gone missing after every battle.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Apparently one of the head thalmor people head ulfric captive for awhile and as soon as he got out get began the rebellion. I think it was a pretty dick move when general tullius brought that exactly person to the peace council.

And how should General Tullius know that he was tortured by Elenwen personally? He probably doesn't even know he was captured during the Great War; they didn't exactly document all casualties/people gone missing after every battle.

Not to mention she was there to ensure the Empire doesn't agree to terms that breach the White-Gold Concordat again, i.e Markarth Incident.

In fact Ulfric threatening to walk due to her presence is worse than Tullius bringing her. He was almost willing to allow his countrymen to continue dying, their souls to feed Alduin and obstruct the Dragonborn from saving the world. He let personal feelings nearly get the better of him, and was willing to damn all of Nirn because of them.

Ulfric has been captured three times in his Military career. He's only won a single battle on his own, not exactly odds you want to put money on.
 

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