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If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
 

raido KASAI

Ansei Master Badass
If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
 

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
Staff member
I believe this debate has already been had. I got my last negative rating in it.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
Now now. Unsupported exclamations of hatred are the American Way! Or at least I would assume that spectre thief is an American since that is the way that it was done. :)
 

The Honorable Gidian Diva of Sass

Sahrot Vahlok Spaan. Bahnahgaar. Minion #88!
Staff member
If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
Now now. Unsupported exclamations of hatred are the American Way! Or at least I would assume that spectre thief is an American since that is the way that it was done. :)
Dam* straight.
 

DestroyerDevourMaster

"Zu'u Alduin. Zok sahrot do naan ko Lein!"
If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
Now now. Unsupported exclamations of hatred are the American Way! Or at least I would assume that spectre thief is an American since that is the way that it was done. :)

'Murica :cool:
 

raido KASAI

Ansei Master Badass
If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
Now now. Unsupported exclamations of hatred are the American Way! Or at least I would assume that spectre thief is an American since that is the way that it was done. :)
I think it was more abject laziness than an unsupported exclamation of hatred, though I could understand the latter take on it as well.

I took 2 exceptions to it, the first obviously is what I posted.

The second is that words have meanings. When someone uses the term "literally" then that is exactly what they mean. I hardly think one could suggest that every single solitary non-Nord or non-Imperial being has total hatred for Tiber Septim. Were the comment "many" instead of "every" then I'd probably not be a smart-ass and call it out. But maybe I would still be one since I'd suggest that being a sarcastic smart-ass is what the American way actually is, and that is something I take pride in.

:D
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
Now now. Unsupported exclamations of hatred are the American Way! Or at least I would assume that spectre thief is an American since that is the way that it was done. :)
I think it was more abject laziness than an unsupported exclamation of hatred, though I could understand the latter take on it as well.

I took 2 exceptions to it, the first obviously is what I posted.

The second is that words have meanings. When someone uses the term "literally" then that is exactly what they mean. I hardly think one could suggest that every single solitary non-Nord or non-Imperial being has total hatred for Tiber Septim. Were the comment "many" instead of "every" then I'd probably not be a smart-ass and call it out. But maybe I would still be one since I'd suggest that being a sarcastic smart-ass is what the American way actually is, and that is something I take pride in.

:D
LITERALLY!
 
If people did just a little research on this bastard you would see why he is so hated by literally everyone who isn't Nordic or imperial
or if an OP would support a statement with supporting points, people wouldn't have to do much research
Now now. Unsupported exclamations of hatred are the American Way! Or at least I would assume that spectre thief[/ way that it was done. :)[/quote] heres proof of his blatant misdoings after the siege of a castle in the reach he let's the local nords go but the Bretons go straight to the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is P.S. I'm Turkish
 
Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish
 

DestroyerDevourMaster

"Zu'u Alduin. Zok sahrot do naan ko Lein!"
Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish

Talos didn't execute the Nords because they swore fealty to him as Dragonborn, not because of their race. The Bretons refused to bend knee and were punished accordingly.
 

raido KASAI

Ansei Master Badass
Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish
I'm assuming you are referring to Sancre Tor. If so, DDM above is right that the reason why Talos spared the Nords was because they surrendered and swore allegiance to him thus breaking their already shaky alliance with the Bretons stationed there. Many of those same Nords became high level military leaders and contributed greatly to Talos' future military successes. Most of the Nords in the alliance with the Bretons were skeptical of them anyway and this distrust made their decision to join Talos that much easier.

Had the Nords not made that decision, they would have been executed too. It wasn't racism that made Talos make that decision, it was a military decision, and as history shows, for him it was a wise one.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Talos executed the Breton Commanders, had the rest sold into slavery. Such was the way of war little over six hundred years ago.

Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish

As mentioned above, that was because the Bretons didn't surrender and swear fealty. He punished his enemy, as would anyone of that time.

They weren't locals, they had threatened the Colovian Estates. Daring General Talos to fight them.

They attacked unprovoked, invaded Cyrodiil and then they lost. Way I see it? Don't start a fight, then call victim when you lose.
 

Hildolfr

It's a big hammer.
I think Talos worship makes complete and total sense. I could understand why some of the other races may be a little weary of Talos, but real world history is littered with people who are absolute brutal human beings that get raised to a level well above the average person.

Genghis Khan comes to mind. Guy was as violent and ruthless as they come, but he was a great leader and truly outstanding to his people. To this day, governments and regimes try to tie themselves to Genghis Khan one way or another because he demands that much respect. Of course, cultures in the west paint him as a war mongering heathen who worshiped a mountain. That's why I like his comparison to Talos the most. Not because they were similar in their deeds, but because they're similarly perceived. One region of the world holds him above the rest while another tries to belittle his accomplishments. Not only that, there are some peoples who absolutely HATE him. If you didn't surrender, he decimated your city. It tends to step on a few toes, some of which have long memories.

But then again, how about Ancient Greece? Particularly, the Athenians. They were pretty racist considering they deemed all non-Greeks inferior. When it came to war, they were ruthless, too. It was how wars were fought back then. Yet every democracy in the world links themselves to Athens.

Julius Caesar, too. Some of his military campaigns left millions dead or enslaved. I mean, we're talking about Caesar. I don't need to tell you about him.

While I may not be as lore savvy as others, unless you can point me to some outrageous thing that Talos did then I think the worship he receives is very much in line with reality.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Talos wasn't exactly a good man, he was ruthless and could be considered cruel. But, I understand why he was loved.

To me Titus Mede dominates Talos. That man took the Imperial City with one thousand men, then crushed an rebellion with barely twice that number. As deadly in battle, as he was shrewd in politics.

He didn't need to be Dragonborn for the Nords to respect, and endorse him as their Emperor.
 

Daelon DuLac

How do you backstab a Dragon?
Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish

Talos didn't execute the Nords because they swore fealty to him as Dragonborn, not because of their race. The Bretons refused to bend knee and were punished accordingly.
While I agree, isn't that a bit megolamaniacal to insist on fealty just because you're Dragonborn? No, wait, that is just plain evil. I'm beginning to see why he is so hated.
 

DestroyerDevourMaster

"Zu'u Alduin. Zok sahrot do naan ko Lein!"
Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish

Talos didn't execute the Nords because they swore fealty to him as Dragonborn, not because of their race. The Bretons refused to bend knee and were punished accordingly.
While I agree, isn't that a bit megolamaniacal to insist on fealty just because you're Dragonborn? No, wait, that is just plain evil. I'm beginning to see why he is so hated.

I fault the Greybeards for that, they're the ones who told him he would rule Tamriel.
 

Hildolfr

It's a big hammer.
Here's proof of his misdoings after the famous siege of that castle in the reach he let the local nords defending scot free but for the Bretons they got the chopping block if that isn't racism I don't know what is ps I'm Turkish

Talos didn't execute the Nords because they swore fealty to him as Dragonborn, not because of their race. The Bretons refused to bend knee and were punished accordingly.
While I agree, isn't that a bit megolamaniacal to insist on fealty just because you're Dragonborn? No, wait, that is just plain evil. I'm beginning to see why he is so hated.

Whoa there. Was it "evil" for the various Popes throughout history to send armies into battle and demand fealty from the people there because he was a holy man? Or how about every king that invoked divine right and conquered a land, insisting the people become part of their empire or face the tip of the sword? This often involved religious conversion. Only person I can think of off the top of my head was Genghis Khan who didn't care about your religion. He welcomed all religions so long as you swore fealty to his strength. If you defied him in anyway, you were killed without question.

Even the most pious and most generous of leaders insist that the conquered peoples become loyal to him or they will be killed. This isn't evil, it's called war. It's called imperialism. It's called common sense. You don't wage a war, whether a thousand years ago or today, without insisting the losers join your side. Look at what's going on in the Ukraine. All you hear about are "pro-Russian forces" and "anti-Russian forces". Leaders may not be invoking the "right of God" as their reason for waging war anymore, but they're definitely killing those who don't swear loyalty.

I think it's pretty interesting that because Talos was a strong leader that people want to knock him. This is, essentially, what historians do. They discuss the merits of a leader and try to get a good understanding on how he should be recorded in history. Do they get painted a murderous zealot or do they get heralded as a demigod? Interestingly enough, every great leader can be broken down and have their faults put forward as to why they suck. The question is do they have redeeming qualities that out weigh their indiscretions?
 

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