Evolution vs Creationism Debate

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Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
Never was good at gymnastics, these quotes are saying a murder's life is forfeit to god. Not to his fellow man.

And the New Testament contradicts these things in the Old Testament. "Those among you who have not sinned may cast the first stone."
I am Christian not Jewish. So I follow Christ's teachings over the Old Testament though the New is build upon the old.
 

W'rkncacnter

Mister Freeze
Never was good at gymnastics, these quotes are saying a murder's life is forfeit to god. Not to his fellow man.
From your own quote:
Genesis 9:6
"Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.


And the New Testament contradicts these things in the Old Testament. "Those among you who have not sinned may cast the first stone."
I am Christian not Jewish. So I follow Christ's teachings over the Old Testament though the New is build upon the old.
They do not contradict. The New Testament clarifies.

You are quoting from a section where the Pharisees are attempting to trap Jesus. To say "put her to death" would subject him to Roman law (only Romans could execute people in the territories they controlled). To say, "let her live" contradicts God's law and the Pharisees could use that against him with the people. He didn't contradict God's law and stayed within the confines of Roman law by using the answer he gave. Again, mercy is allowed.
 

Seanu Reaves

The Shogun of Gaming
You are quoting from a section where the Pharisees are attempting to trap Jesus. To say "put her to death" would subject him to Roman law (only Romans could execute people in the territories they controlled). To say, "let her live" contradicts God's law and the Pharisees could use that against him with the people. He didn't contradict God's law and stayed within the confines of Roman law by using the answer he gave. Again, mercy is allowed.

What does having mercy have to do with "whether or not you can morally kill a person?"

I ask because something odd occurred to me. Jesus only really grew enraged and lashed out physically once. That was against the merchants defiling the temple by selling their wares. And you talk about how you are allowed to defend yourself.

Now this is off topic, but why then does Jesus not "follow his god given right" to defend himself. By killing Judas or the men who were certainly coming to hurt him?
If turning the other cheek is something we strive to do, yet we can apparently morally kill someone why wouldn't the person whose example we follow do so?

Also this is a strange line of thought. You say you would kill someone in self defense. Doesn't that mean you premeditated it? You are saying "if this happens, I will do this." That is a planning, well more assuming you actually have the balls to actually take action... Is instinctual programming not in a sense premeditation. When this happens I will do this?
 

W'rkncacnter

Mister Freeze
What does having mercy have to do with "whether or not you can morally kill a person?"
It means we are not obligated to put them to death as God's law dictates. Instead we can have mercy.

I ask because something odd occurred to me. Jesus only really grew enraged and lashed out physically once. That was against the merchants defiling the temple by selling their wares. And you talk about how you are allowed to defend yourself.

Now this is off topic, but why then does Jesus not "follow his god given right" to defend himself. By killing Judas or the men who were certainly coming to hurt him?
If turning the other cheek is something we strive to do, yet we can apparently morally kill someone why wouldn't the person whose example we follow do so?
Jesus wasn't on earth to establish an earthly kingdom or he would have struck down all of His enemies (John 18:36). Instead he came with the intent purpose of dying as a sinless offering in our place. To destroy His enemies would have thwarted His very purpose for being here.

Funny thing about "turning the other cheek". . .you have to be alive to do it. Jesus was talking about taking personal offense when he was preaching that.

Also this is a strange line of thought. You say you would kill someone in self defense. Doesn't that mean you premeditated it? You are saying "if this happens, I will do this." That is a planning, well more assuming you actually have the balls to actually take action... Is instinctual programming not in a sense premeditation. When this happens I will do this?
It all comes down to motive. Do I want to kill someone out of revenge or anger or for power? Or am I prepared to do what is necessary to protect myself and those who cannot defend themselves (even if it means taking a life)? You seem to think that I am flippant about it. I assure you that is not the case.
 

DrunkenMage

Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Let's be honest, it took a picture of a cloud formation that scientists believe is a star forming. Given the proposed amount of time for a star to form, neither you nor I will be around to see that picture ever change.

They've taken pictures of many 'cloud formations'. Scientists believe they're stars forming because of what those clouds are made of. The main components of stars. How they're behaving etc.

They're molecular clouds of hydrogen and helium. Which are condensing, until sparked.

There is one 300 light years long, and 10 light years across. It isn't just a cloud formation.
 

W'rkncacnter

Mister Freeze
Let's be honest, it took a picture of a cloud formation that scientists believe is a star forming. Given the proposed amount of time for a star to form, neither you nor I will be around to see that picture ever change.

They've taken pictures of many 'cloud formations'. Scientists believe they're stars forming because of what those clouds are made of. The main components of stars. How they're behaving etc.

They're molecular clouds of hydrogen and helium. Which are condensing, until sparked.

There is one 300 light years long, and 10 light years across. It isn't just a cloud formation.
I don't have an issue with it potentially being a star forming. I took issue with you stating, as fact, that Hubble had captured a star forming. It paints the mental picture that Hubble captured consecutive images showing a star forming from cloud to full-blown gas burner. Instead it is an image of an essentially static cloud.
 

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