Rimfaxe96
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Blasphemy!
Why does everyone hate the Thalmor?
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Blasphemy!
For a "Dark Knight who would sacrifice friends to destroy enemies", you really aren't that convincing.Why throw full basket away for an one rotten apple. There is still many good apples in the world
Manmangler
Well-Known Member
Oops
I did not sacfrifice anybody to boetiah quest
I did not eat that priest
I did not kill werewolf and hunters (and take THREE rewards from that quest)
I did not maxed ebony blade
REALLY those just did themself.
I did not killed Nazeem, he tripped to my arrow
I'm good person, mean no harm anydoby
a Good person
Leader of thieves guild
Listener of dark brotherhood
Milk Drinker
New Member
Well most of the Thalmor you come across in the game seem like stuck up a-holes. They need to lighten up a bit.
DestroyerDevourMaster
"Zu'u Alduin. Zok sahrot do naan ko Lein!"
To me any group who's basically willing to commit mass genocide to achieve their goals deserves to be hated.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Ignoring the blatant Nazi ties.
They pay well at least. Now I personally don't hate them. Because that would be a bit strong. Yet I don't stand for racism and both the Thalmor and Stormcloaks present some (Skyrim has not been a nation for long enough time for them to have the classification of Nationalist I am sorry, but this is the only term we can really use.) The fact they have everything based on some strange idea that they could ascend.
And it is pointed out that Talos is a god. And lets face it... A strong Dovahkiin is not someone you talk down to. Call me prideful, but you don't do that especially to me
They pay well at least. Now I personally don't hate them. Because that would be a bit strong. Yet I don't stand for racism and both the Thalmor and Stormcloaks present some (Skyrim has not been a nation for long enough time for them to have the classification of Nationalist I am sorry, but this is the only term we can really use.) The fact they have everything based on some strange idea that they could ascend.
And it is pointed out that Talos is a god. And lets face it... A strong Dovahkiin is not someone you talk down to. Call me prideful, but you don't do that especially to me
Daelon DuLac
How do you backstab a Dragon?
Actually, IMO there's ONE good apple per bushel. The rest are rotten to the core. And I've been around long enough to know.Why throw full basket away for an one rotten apple. There is still many good apples in the world
raido KASAI
Ansei Master Badass
I'm not really one to take the snide talking down to very well either. Usually such comments by any of the groups on patrol where they think making threatening statements to me, while demanding me to do something doesn't' turn out well... For themIgnoring the blatant Nazi ties.
They pay well at least. Now I personally don't hate them. Because that would be a bit strong. Yet I don't stand for racism and both the Thalmor and Stormcloaks present some (Skyrim has not been a nation for long enough time for them to have the classification of Nationalist I am sorry, but this is the only term we can really use.) The fact they have everything based on some strange idea that they could ascend.
And it is pointed out that Talos is a god. And lets face it... A strong Dovahkiin is not someone you talk down to. Call me prideful, but you don't do that especially to me
SaveVsBedWet
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Because the Thalmor are pompous asshats? With bad dental hygiene? Luckily, root canals come to them via the 1st time discount Dr. D'Irsei offers. Of course, it's one per customer.
Complaints : 0. The dead don't parlay.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Stormcloaks present some? Why aren't you mentioning the Imperial racism, all of Tamriel has racists. Also, what do you mean Skyrim hasn't been a nation for long enough time?
Thalmor commit ethnic cleansing, genocide of hundreds and thousands for the sake of keeping racial purity. I'm not sure that falls under 'Some racism'
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Because some one else also has racism doesn't mean another is without.
And Skyrim hasn't been a nation since the empire existed because the "Empire" was simply an extension of Skyrim. And they haven't been a nation because they lack according to Herder "a separate and pure culture, of unique culture and religion and language." I can excuse Language because there are basically no unique languages. Their culture and religion is tied to the empire. Basically the time has gone to long that they basically have no culture.Another says it has to do with common purpose (sorry hard to find all my old sources) That basically has a nation as a group will a history (which Skyrim has though it is also with them being with the Empire) And communal struggle. Which means if the stormcloaks win they are then starting a nation, but as of right now they aren't a nation.
Now obviously this is more philosophy, and ones personal views could call these scholars wrong. But it stands.
And racial purity leads to self cleansing. I assume the Thalmor do partake in eugenics to an extent. And it is does fall under some rascism
And Totally Racist. And WTF THAT IS INSANE AND RASCIST LIKE INSANELY RACIST!Ignoring the blatant Nazi ties.
They pay well at least. Now I personally don't hate them. Because that would be a bit strong. Yet I don't stand for racism and both the Thalmor and Stormcloaks present some (Skyrim has not been a nation for long enough time for them to have the classification of Nationalist I am sorry, but this is the only term we can really use.) The fact they have everything based on some strange idea that they could ascend.
And it is pointed out that Talos is a god. And lets face it... A strong Dovahkiin is not someone you talk down to. Call me prideful, but you don't do that especially to me
I wouldn't say the Stormcloaks are racist. While there are certainly a few racists who believe in Ulfric's cause, that doesn't taint the entire organization. The Stormcloaks willingly accept non-Nords into their ranks, including elves and beastfolk. I've seen Dunmer, Altmer, and even an Argonian traveling to Windhelm to join up. I believe Ralof says it best: 'You don't have to be a Nord to fight for Skyrim's freedom.'
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
Because some one else also has racism doesn't mean another is without.
Except Skyrim's culture is greatly different from Cyrodiil. Many traditions have been kept under the Empire; Jarls, High Kings, Moots etc. Religion in Tamriel is universal, they all worship the same Gods under different names. Skyrim indeed has unique religion, they view Mara as the handmaiden of Kyne. Shor, Tsun are all part of their religion.
Many do worship the Nine Divines of the Empire (Which in itself was actually a mix of Nordic and Aldmeri religions) so the Empire's own religion isn't unique, but borrowed from two distinct cultures.
The Empire itself has no single culture, every province has their own culture, but Cyrodiil itself borrows from them as the center of Tamriel.
Skyrim is a nation. Just because they're part of the Empire, it doesn't mean they're not a nation. They have their own government, their laws, their history, traditions, culture etc.
Stormcloaks seek to remove the Empire and rebuild their country. They feel their Nord way of life is at risk, their cause is indeed nationalistic.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Aye that is why I didn't use a blanket statement and actually say they are all racist. You say that... Yet I haven't actually seen any except for maybe a redguard. And in actual combat I have only seen Nords.
I have seen dunmer go to solitude but never to Windhelm, I mean I can't ask you for proof because that would be impractical. And not like you take screenshots everytime anyway. I would have to say though he says that specifically to you doesn't he? I mean he can say that to a friend that just jump prison with him.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Actually the unique culture that is a mixture and adopting of culture is still the sign of a nation. For example... The United States
Though I do agree that the U.S. Does push the definition of a nation.You say they have no culture yet have a culture borrowing from all the provinces.(Note that they arent called states or nations as a part of the Empire.) There is a line.
Pick a side. And I believe last I checked the Empire is not like the UN or NATO it is a conquering force. So it is in fact other nations given "semblance of autonomy" which was adopted within the Persian Empire, And in fact they did absorb other nations and dissolved their sovereignty. Their culture has been absorbed by the Empire in the same way the Empire adopted from other cultures.
The Stormcloaks something very similar to the Southern people of the United States. They claim they have a nation, they claim they are different, and their are differences. But guess what. They are still american. This stands true like the Stormcloaks and the Empire. Sure they have some differences but they have been together since the point of conception.
Claiming to care for a nation that doesn't exist doesn't make you a nationalist. You need an actual nation for that.
DrunkenMage
Intoxicated Arch-Mage
You say they have no culture yet have a culture borrowing from all the provinces.(Note that they arent called states or nations as a part of the Empire.) There is a line.
The Empire itself has no single culture. Not that it has zero culture.
Which Skyrim was never conquered.
Yet the High King is the Head of State in Skyrim, not the Emperor.
What is the definition of Nation? Do you mean to say that Skyrim doesn't fall under that definition? Not even in the slightest?
Claiming there isn't a nation, doesn't make it so. You provided the grounds for a 'nation' which was culture, religion, language. We've covered culture, we've covered religion and language is the same everywhere in the games.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
But it does. The Empire has its own unique culture as shown by their armor, but how they adopted Akaviri tactics, among many other things, including standardized language.
Yet the High King is still under command to the Emperor.
Not quite it has an ethnicity, but doesn't stand as a nation. As for slightest? Like any concept it is vague and obviously you believe it is. So this can go back and forth. Though I find it is better when we are but old men, having a game of chess as we dissect this idea of a Nation. So I say see you in 50 years, my friend, for that.
Every region has it's own superstition, but there are different languages. There is ancient nordic writing in the burial mounds and such, their are akaviri writing, available. Note this is also why argonians have Jel still.
Why is almost every body speaking the same language? Because at this point in time they were all dragged into the Empire. By a large nation.
Obviously this is a discussion of philosophy. But these points do stand.
Well, I play Skyrim on console so I couldn't really take screen shots anyways. As for Ralof, he might have offered because you helped him, but there are also plenty of random encounters with Stormcloak soldiers who suggest you should join their cause. This is backed up when you speak to Galmar in Windhelm. During the dialogue, you can ask 'So you only take Nords?' and he'll deny it.
